Im going to STREET FIGHT – I need some tips/pointers
Original Poster: Green Dragon
Forum: Hand to Hand Combat
Posted On: 19-09-2006, 22:42
Orginal Post: Green Dragon: Hit him till he goes down then keep hitting him. Run when the cops arrive.
😯 Stupidest thing I ever heard!>
Post: Green Dragon:
Obviously I wasnt serious… :?>
Post: Tease T Tickle:
obviously. I never take anyone who likes anime seriously.>
Post: Green Dragon:
Quote: obviously. I never take anyone who likes anime seriously.
its been months since someone has opened up a thread like this…>
Post: Green Dragon:
Quote: obviously. I never take anyone who likes anime seriously.
its been months since someone has opened up a thread like this…[/quote
Yeah WHY? I don’t take any one seriously who doesn’t take any one seriously based upon their animation preferance. Infact I’m not gonna waste my time typing up an argument. :roll:>
Quote: Yeah WHY? I don’t take any one seriously who doesn’t take any one seriously based upon their animation preferance. Infact I’m not gonna waste my time typing up an argument.
You just did. By stating its a waste of time to respond, you did just that. Your arguement is that you are above such petty conversation.
Man, watching TTT on this forum is like watching Hannibal Lecture toy with Starling.
Damn – it HAS been awhile since we had one of these!!! 😯 😆
BloodyKnux – DUDE!!! You seriously need to try my “Sodomizer” technique!!! If you’ve been in a fight before, congratulations. I don’t need to applaude you for any ass whoopin’ you may receive.
Let me ask you this: does he have a hot sister??? If so, you should really try to be friends with him again so you could bang her like a screen door in a hurricane!!! If you don’t think that will work, then maybe you should just offer to clean his pubes with your teeth. I’m sure he’d appreciate a good blowjob. Make sure you swallow.
Seriously, don’t come on here and ask stupid fucking questions like the one you just did. If you don’t train in MA, you’re not likely going to learn anything from what someone “tells” you on an internet forum – especially some “magic bullet” technique. You asking someone how to “kick someone’s ass” is the equivalent of me asking porn star Peter North how he can blow his wad across the room. You either kick ass or you don’t – or in Peter’s case – you either blow it across the room or you don’t. It’s that simple. Whatever you do, don’t cry like a little bitch if you start getting your ass handed to you. Nobody likes to watch a crybaby get the shit kicked out of him. Except for me, but I’m just fucked in the head like that…
Green Dragon – you just got owned by TTT. Heed the warning – don’t fuck with him. He’ll own you like a $2 whore on payday!!! And when he’s finished, then I get my turn!!! 😈 😈 :twisted:>
TTT hasnt said anything yet! How does he win? Is this a premonition?
Daaaamn at least let TTT type before we hero worship him for the manner in which he verbally castrates people 😀
I admit i would like to see the arguement to back this up though. If there is one (maybe TTT just hates anime?)
Then again knowing him, there is almost DEFINITELY an arguement to it.
If theres not at the moment of reading this, there will be one by the time Tease finished typing lol!>
Post: Tease T Tickle:
NBot the Robot: Gween Dwagon’s been here before and I know he remembers me.
Bamboo: I’m glad to see that you understood my ‘argument without argument.’ You are the Zen master.
Dojutsu: Good prediction skills. There was no argument until I opened up this here reply page. See below.
Gween Dwagon and Lakan: If one were Japanese, one could claim that watching Japanese animation were a matter of watching what was available or indulging in one’s own culture. On the other hand, for a mature, mentally strong individual to sit through the drek various companies export out of Japan and package as some sort of marvelous entertainment is kind of like watching Jerry Springer: you need a good story to explain yourself.
This isn’t simply a matter of watching “animation” as entertainment, because I respect the effort and energy that goes into creating the medium as well as the benefits to expression that animation grants the creator. However, Japanese animation efforts as they are imported to the West (I don’t know if it’s much different anywhere else, but would hate to claim universal based on limited experience) all fall into three equally vapid styles: fantasy/legend, mecha, and what could be considered the parallel to film noir. The first two, as far as contemporary expression goes, has little to no artistic merit. While an animated presentation of, say, the Musashi legend might be appealling to somebody who enjoyed historical fiction or the use of legends in expressing a moral lesson, the fantasy/legend category of anime very rarely demonstrates any point other than that even great heroes have internal conflicts, a sword or chi energy can solve just about everything and that bright flashing lights will set off your epilepsy. Mecha is pure escapism, like most of the bad fantasy/legend anime and should be burned for being pointless. ‘Film noir’ or for our purposes here ‘anime noir’ stopped being a valid artistic style in the mid-sixties or so. Originally, especially when fueled by German Expressionism in the cinematics, film noir was all about the critique of industrial and post-industrial society, the role of the individual within that society, etc. just like Kafka’s fiction. Noir however degenerated very rapidly, mostly because of Raymond Chandler’s pulp detective novels and Hollywood’s progressively capitalistic stance, into any story with dim lighting and seedy material. Anime noir is like contemporary bad film noir, all of the style with none of the meaning. So, for you to like anime as a person living in London, Gween Dwagon, means that you have some sort of desire to escapism or indulgence of the seedy underworld from the safety of your sofa, and for whatever reason demand that you receive that from Japanese animation sources rather than any of the other myriad sources you could indulge. That is to say, you have no artistic taste, are probably a geek and are unfortunately attracted to a culture that is not your own due to a certain ignorance of your own culture. Talk to Hengest about Britannia; he’ll set you straight.>
I could not agree more Tease. As far as I’m concerned, one of the worst things about living in Tokyo is being surrounded, nay, bombarded with anime and manga at every turn. It is inane, vapid, and pointless and symbolises everything that is wrong with modern Japan: it’s OK to be intellectually and morally retarded as long as you’re cute, wear bright colours and have big, spiky hair.
I’m dubious of anyone that expresses an interest in anime/manga, or in fact any element of Japanese pop culture. Japan has much more to offer than Dragonball, Final Fantasy XXXVII and Puffy. And so does your own culture for that matter.>
Why would you watch anime when you could watch The Venture Brothers? Arguably the best written thing on television today.>
Any resemblance of BloodyKnux to my Bloodybirds nom de guerre is sheerly by accident and I disavow any knowledge of these comments!! 8) 😛 I am a different Bloody, I promise, I really do!!! As far as anime etc, my good friend Kisu, a great Chinese style martial artist (see www.harmoniousfist.com and the fact that his senior was the young samurai, son of the leader, who died on the bridge in The Last Samurai) does the illustrations and story lines for Avatar on Nickelodean. His drawings are wonderful.
Anyway, I am bloody outta here….Tease, you go boy!!>
Why does Tease T Tickle keep the arguement going anyway? :roll:>
[quote=Headcrab Why does Tease T Tickle keep the arguement going anyway? :roll:[/quote Because he can and we love to read his musing’s.>
You guys do come across as narrow-minded and arrogant. I mean, bashing someone just because he watches anime is just sad.>
No, its fun and amusing.>
Or maybe we’re all having some fun?
Well i didn’t perceive it as a joke because TTT made a huge, pretty serious post about why anime sucks. Maybe I lack a sense of humour here, but sometimes it just seems like some guys on this forum are constantly patting eachother on the back, while being very intolerant to ignorance to everyone else.>
SmokerT- If you don’t like the atmosphere then you don’t have to stay.>
I’m sick of this sissy crap. Why should everyone change who they are, and how they behave, because a few people have such a weak constitution as to not be able to handle simple words. I cant wear the clothes I normally do, cause the religious folk get “offended” and I’m tired of having security or cops called cause I’m “suspicious”, I cant Practice my own religion, cause its blasphemous to the majoritie’s god, and now people arent allowed to give others a tiny bit of grief cause it comes across contrary to someone’s opinion.
I’m out of stuff to say now-rant over. :twisted:>
Not that I can set the record straight, but here I go:
Most anime is recycled plot lines and characters. It is the same giant robot fights ninja girl with enormous boobs meets young teenage boy who has the magic power to converse with his talking cat and save the world from the power of the mustache twirling, Shakespeare quoting villain. Yet to judge all anime in this way is simply ignorant. To do so is the same as watching an episode of Laguna Beach and insisting that all television from the USA is terrible Â– despite Star Trek, Farscape, Battlestar Galactica, Lost, Miami Vice, Chips, That Seventies Show, etc.
I understand the criticism which many people have against anime, but honestly many such critics have never seen good anime. What do I mean by Â“good anime?Â” Good anime is Princess Mononoke, Castle in the Sky, Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Ninja Scroll, HowlÂ’s Moving Castle, Grave of the Fireflies, Perfect Blue, Millennium Actress, Samurai X, Akira, and Spirited Away. Speaking of Spirited Away, it was nominated for and won an Oscar for Best Animated Feature in 2003.
If anyone of you watches Spirited Away and still believes that anime is garbage then so be it. But I implore you to keep and open mind and sample the works of animation masters like Hayao Miyazaki and Shinichiro Wantanabe before throwing out criticisms. After all, most people have a negative opinion of anime for only two reasons: one has not seen good anime, and anime is not mainstream (hence not cool) in the USA Â– ironically Star Wars is mainstream and cool, but Star Trek is not, go figure.
One last note: So long as a film provides the viewer with entertainment, escape from reality, and catharsis it is a successful film. This means the You Got Served, Dragon Ball Z, and OCÂ’s of the world have an important purpose. You may not like them and that is fine. Hell, I do not like The Searchers and Citizen Kane, but I recognize their importance to the viewer and to film as an art. Just because you do not like a film means it is a bad piece and only for the foolish/geeky. If that were true then Star Trek, one of the most influential television series ever made, would be viewed by the educated film community as worthless. So again, keep an open mind to all film and TV, and by all means avoid the idea that, Â“I donÂ’t like it so itÂ’s bad.Â”
For those who think all TV and film (video games too, but that is a discussion for another day) are worthless, that there are higher forms of entertainment like painting, poetry, music, and literature, then I invite you to see a proctologist and have the stick removed from your ass. Joseph Campbell could appreciate a good film, you can too.>
Quote: I cant Practice my own religion, cause its blasphemous to the majoritie’s god
Not to beat a dead horse or start a religious debate, but it is my belief that anyone who accuses another of being a Â“blasphemerÂ” does not understand his/her own religion. That person ought to go back and reread their religious scripture/text of choice. Or better yet that of a different faith.
Smokert, I advise you to take everything you read here with a grain of salt. I understand your complaint; I had the same one when I started posting here Â– I was also far more ignorant then (only a bit less ignorant now). So yeah, take it easy and if someone says he hates this or that just respond in a respectful and articulate way and youÂ’ll (usually) get the same. Oh, and never expect anyone to agree with you. ItÂ’s like the idea that there is someone special out there for everyone; it sounds nice but just is not true.>
The other day, I had two people knock at my door wanting to talk about the “bible”. I was polite and told them I was the opposite of what they professed, and didnt want anything to do with that stuff. They got an attitude with me! They come into my apartment building, wake me up while the sun’s out (I hate sunlight when I’m not trainin), and then cop an attitude cause I turn out to be what I am. What the hell do people think gives them the right? Why would you go to someone’s house, uninvited, that you dont know anyway? I think I sufficiently scared them off, hopefully I dont get anymore of that crap.>
[quote=WushuPadawan001 To do so is the same as watching an episode of Laguna Beach and insisting that all television from the USA is terrible[/quote
No it isn’t. It’s like watching laguna Beach and then saying that all US reality TV is terrible. Which it is.
[quote=WushuPadawan001 Speaking of Spirited Away, it was nominated for and won an Oscar for Best Animated Feature in 2003. [/quote
One word: Titanic.
[quote=WushuPadawan001 After all, most people have a negative opinion of anime for only two reasons: one has not seen good anime, and anime is not mainstream (hence not cool) in the USA.[/quote
I’ve seen Akira. Liked that. But one swallow does not make a summer (although, granted, it can depend on the swallower).
And, I’m sorry, but does something have to be mainstream in the US for the world to consider it cool? News to me. Last I checked, it was just about everything that wasn’t mainstream in the US that’s considered cool, including in the US.
[quote=WushuPadawan001 This means [that You Got Served… [has an important purpose. [/quote
Sorry son, but now you’re really testing my patience.>
[quote=angryrocker4 The other day, I had two people knock at my door wanting to talk about the “bible”. I was polite and told them I was the opposite of what they professed, and didnt want anything to do with that stuff. They got an attitude with me! They come into my apartment building, wake me up while the sun’s out (I hate sunlight when I’m not trainin), and then cop an attitude cause I turn out to be what I am. What the hell do people think gives them the right? Why would you go to someone’s house, uninvited, that you dont know anyway? I think I sufficiently scared them off, hopefully I dont get anymore of that crap.[/quote
So I trust you educated them in your religion, by cleaving them with ye olde big-arse axe?>
Not quite, they left before I got it out of my altar room.>
Angry – as an evil Sith Lord, I just tell them that I’m going to hell and if they care to stick around, they’ll be along for the ride!!! 😆
If that doesn’t work, just invite them in and REALLY fuck with them – pop a porno in the dvd, ask them if they want a drink, bust out the bong, quote some Plato or Shakespeare, pick up the phone and call your buddies and talk about some hot chick you’ve been banging like a screen door in a hurricane, etc. Eventually they’ll either become so uncomfortable and leave, or you’ll make some new friends. :D>
nbotary: Love the idea there, reminds me of what happened to one of my friends when a group of Mormons came to his door at my college. He told them that they could talk to him about their deity for however long they want, but if they fail to convert him they have participate in a ritual of human sacrifice. They agreed, went in and spent 2 hours trying to convert him. After that, he said ok now you 2 decide who will be sacrificed and I will be right back. Obviously the Mormons didn’t think anything was really going to happen until my buddy came walking back in with a Ouija board, black robe, and a grim reaper sickle (with a real blade). According to the way he put it, the 2 guys ran like mad. The authenticity of the story isn’t 100% guaranteed, but knowing him, I don’t have any doubt about it.
And to respond to the anime issue, I know some people that are actually in an Anime club (including my roommate). All they do in this entire club is sit there for 3 to 4 hours watching… you guessed it, anime. Out of sheer curiosity (and one of the girls running the thing was very attractive, then I found out she was taken) I went one time, and ran into a couple of my other buds who had been dragged in there. We sat in the back and basically made fun of the whole thing. I have no plans of going back because people couldn’t handle my changing the name of one series to Soul Calibur (for those of you who don’t know its a fighting game on dreamcast, and all of the characters in that show looked just like the char. from Soul Calibur). And also after finding out that one girl was taken, that killed my motivation further lol.>
BEST STORY EVER: we have travelling Baptsits where I’m from. My buddy invited in a pair of older stout faced ladies who came to our door. We had a Jack Russell/Bull terrier mix who was a male, and a calico female cat. They walk in, sit down, start into their schpeill, and I kid you not, the dog actually manages to penetrate the cat!!!! They are going at it right at these ladies’ feet! It was so bad-ass. 😆 They got all embarassed because we wouldn’t break it up, and ran for the door.>
I’m goin to start knocking on peoples’ doors and talk to them about the glory of Asgard, and the way of the berzerker. I think I’ll even start a “weekend Raid” thing to attract new followers.>
[quote=angryrocker4 I’m goin to start knocking on peoples’ doors and talk to them about the glory of Asgard, and the way of the berzerker. I think I’ll even start a “weekend Raid” thing to attract new followers.[/quote
“Excuse me sir, do you ever think about Ragnarok?” :twisted:>
Although I only had 3 mos of actual training it carried me through roughly 35 streetfights with only a few losses. Don’t stand and bang with someone that big because I am sure he has a longer armreach. Beat him in the clinch and groungwork. Fake a kick to close the distance a couple of jabs and maybe a right to sting him, clinch, head into his chest, allow him to push up against you as you resist for a second (big guys love to “show how strong they are”) let him do that because it will give you leverage to hip throw this big dude. If he tries to throw you this is a street fight and repeated nut shots are great as well as kidney shots from the clinch.(fighting a bigger guy you will always be on the bottom of a clinch which puts you in perfect position.) I Never learned the guard as I took only strandard jujitsu so I always liked to be on the top.(although I was really good at reversals) I love traditional throws because it puts you in side control as soon as you hit the ground. hit the ground on top and choke him out or armbar.>
What is “standard jiujitsu”?
35 street fights 3 months of training? You don’t need martial arts training, you need social training.>
In the world that I grew up in fighting was not seen as a sport but as a necessity to survive and thrive. Before I learned to fight I was picked on by many of the neighborhood gangsters and toughguys. So as you can see needing social training is all a matter of perspective. Spinal injuries keep me from training but even berfore my car accident I had come to realize that fighting did not solve much. I had grown both emotionally and career wise so I learned to channel my aggression into building my life and career. Standard jujitsu is the form of jujitsu before the Gracies refined and perfected much needed groung techniques. Many of the chokes and arm locks in Brazilian JIU JITSU came from jujitsu or jujutsu. The throws are great for getting a person off balance. The problem I saw with it were that it did not have a continuation or freeflow of movements and growing up in my heighborhood I saw many martial artists lose because after they did a particular move they would quit. That’s the main difference is that bjj is gerred toward and understands the unpredictable nature of a street fight. I do not know much about bjj or mma and as far as actual martial artists go I am last on the totem pole so I am just answering one man’s question about street fighting and can only speek from the actual experiences Ihave had and because I cannot physically do that anymore my street fighting experiences give me confidence when my body is not feeling so hot.>
Quote: Standard jujitsu is the form of jujitsu before the Gracies refined and perfected much needed groung techniques.
The gracies refined judo newaza, not jujutsu, jiujitsu or however people choose to spell it. Jujutsu is simply a generic name for any one of several hundreds of family martial art schools from japan. Never was a “standard jujitsu”.
I will happily give BJJ its due credit for renewing interest in ground fighting throughout north america but lets not deify them just yet. Greco Roman, folk style, Catch wrestling, Shooto, the KOSEN group of judo competitors (yes, it was a group of schools with a specific rules, not a style unto itself) all have great groundfighting. BJJ is one of the best, but they have not perfected anything, otherwise BJJ would be a dead art without evolution, and we know that not to be true.
Its great to hear that you’ve grown beyond fighting as your opening post would have been a target for much ridicule if you still engaged in street fighting as a way to solve problems and “survive”.
Welcome to FightAuthority.com.
Aww man, I guess I’d better take off my ridiculing shoes and put the slippers back on then. :lol:>
So, where exactly did you learn “standard” Jujutsu? Is it possible you learned three months worth of Kodenkan Jujutsu? That is by far the most widespread form of jujutsu taught in the U.S., is this maybe why you said “standard”?>
Post: Tease T Tickle:
[quote=johnny1974 In the world that I grew up in fighting was not seen as a sport but as a necessity to survive and thrive. Before I learned to fight I was picked on by many of the neighborhood gangsters and toughguys. [/quote
I’ve never met a gangster who didn’t carry a gat. Jujutsu doesn’t stop bullets. Just an observation.>
I beleive it was kodenkan and the reason I called it standard jujitsu was because when most people today speak of jujitsu they mean bjj.>
Thanks for the welcome>