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Original Poster: vladimir
Forum: Hand to Hand Combat
Posted On: 24-01-2007, 16:13

Orginal Post: vladimir: http://www.fightingarts.com/reading/article.php?id=46

What are peoples’ opinions on his Martial Art and the way it is taught. A few of the things don’t seem too effective but guess the the proof is in the pudding.

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SCARS teaches participants the proper way to use close kicks. to illustrate, Blake Peterson uses his shin to strike his opponent’s throat.

The chances of kicking of having your leg caught when your kicking this high is too great.

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What is ground-breaking–Peterson’s flash of Eureka!–comes from grasping the combat implications of one simple physiological fact: When it comes to absorbing punishment, every human body always reacts exactly the same way.

I don’t think that’s actually true because some people have higher pain tolerances.

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The meat of this text consists of twenty-five Combat Lessons. Each of these Lessons is a sequence of four or five techniques, usually including a throw, which are initiated off an opponent’s punch or kick. These sequences contain no defensive moves whatsoever. Instead, all checks to attacking arms or legs are delivered as intercepting counterstrikes aimed at specific nerves.

If the block wasn’t necessary than people wouldn’t use it but they assume that you’ll be quick enough that your enemy won’t be able to respond.

Post: Tease T Tickle:

That’s exactly it, the proof is in the pudding: the military stopped using him and his system to train and nobody who trains in the system as civilians have ever used it in any setting where we can analyze it. No Discovery Channel special, no ESPN2 coverage, no Pay-Per-View events, no grudge match against Kimbo Slice; SCARS gets talked about only by “reality self defense” nuts who think because of what it used to be used for it’s worthwhile. But if that were true, the Deptarment of Defense would still have the SCARS guy under contract.>

Post: setsu nin to:

I bet he have some super powers…>

Post: Bushi:

The Navy regrets contracting him when they did.>

Post: Hengest:

It’s my understanding that, even when they did use him, it wasn’t to teach CQB to qualified SEALs. It was actually used during the selection process and even then SCARS’ primary purpose in this setting was not to teach a system of unarmed combat, but to act as a sort of motivator.>

Post: angryrocker4:

The military’s hand combat is learned in the bar, everything else is just for fun.>

Post: BLACK PANTA:

with the right stage partner you can make anything look effective.>

Post: TKDman:

Kinda reminds me of some video I saw of military guys (don’t remember which branch) doing bjj. I mean, how likely is it that a soldier is going to find himself in need of passing the enemy’s butterfly guard? I believe the purpose was basically as PT and to build up some combat spirit, not how to become a grappling master.>

Post: Bushi:

[quote=TKDman  I believe the purpose was basically as PT and to build up some combat spirit, not how to become a grappling master.[/quote 

You got it.>

Post: Bjones132:

i think the military as whole conducts their hand to hand combat training. they hire outside people with no combat experience, let the old heads do the training from their combat experience, and it will be alot more effective.
:?:>

Post: samurai6string:

This kinds reminds me of the thread about a Marine and UFC or somesuch. The truth is that Marines, and SEALS I’m going to assume, are there to blow shit up and shoot people, not to be hand to hand masters. I would think that SEAL CQB training would be much more about effective use of a combat knife, as you would rarely be going into a situation with nothing but your d*ck in your hand.>

Post: Bushi:

Exactly.

Military Combatives= Confidence booster and ethos bulider before H2H.>

Post: misterHighspeed:

Ya I agree but i knew someone that got to take part in seal combatives (he was contracted to teach medicine down there to seal corpman) a while ago they mainly teaching a combination of bjj and JKD along with some other martial arts from what i was told and recently changed there knife fighting program. The military isnt sticking to one thing anymore there just mixing it up look at the marine corps martial arts program (MCMAP) its a blend of lotz of things and it varys from unit to unit. The army though is teaching combatives with an good emphaisis on bjj my friend hated it he said he would want to go to ground while clearing a room with some towel head especially since you wont be able to with all there gear>

Post: zefff:

ignoramus :roll:>

Post: samurai6string:

HIghSpeed> you’re really on a roll here for having so few posts……………………you might not want to use words like “towel head” when you don’t know the backgrounds of people who come here. Especially when we like those people way more than you. Also, it makes you sound like a cousin-fucking-skoal-chewing-no-teeth-having-fourth-grade-educated-family-tree-non-branching-piece-of-white-trash.>

Post: angryrocker4:

hey now, he’s just being republican, and they’re always right cause god’s their side, so dont screw with him or you’ll be smited.>

Post: Tease T Tickle:

[quote=samurai6string HIghSpeed> you’re really on a roll here for having so few posts……………………you might not want to use words like “towel head” when you don’t know the backgrounds of people who come here. Especially when we like those people way more than you. Also, it makes you sound like a cousin-fucking-skoal-chewing-no-teeth-having-fourth-grade-educated-family-tree-non-branching-piece-of-white-trash.[/quote 

What’s wrong with chewing Skoal? Maybe you think that people shouldn’t be allowed to enjoy a smokeless tobacco product, but everyone has their little addiction and I can think of a lot worse than chewing tobacco.>

Post: angryrocker4:

Because skoal’s for sissy’s.>

Post: samurai6string:

TTT>sorry bud, but chewing skoal marks you as a member of NASCAR Nation. Go get a JR shirt and a Budweiser hat. :)>

Post: Tease T Tickle:

[quote=angryrocker4 Because skoal’s for sissy’s.[/quote 
You’re right, I should be chewing dead baby.

[quote=SSS skoal marks you as NASCAR bitch, and whatnot[/quote 
I’ve chewed Skoal. I’ve never seen a single NASCAR event in my life, I have no idea what a JR shirt is and I prefer Whisk(e)y to beer. So, what does that say about me?>

Post: samurai6string:

you must have stopped before it sank its tendrills into your brain. :)

JR is Dale Jr, #3

and liking whiskey over beer doesn’t help your cause much, especially if it’s Jack or Wild Turkey. :)>

Post: Tease T Tickle:

How about Johnnie Walker?>

Post: Sensei S. Hilaire:

The SEALs have no specific H2H training. Depending on where they are stationed, some find private training. Occasionally an outside person is brought in for seminars on various subjects – but there is no formal or extensive H2H training. I have a long time friend who was in DEVGRU for many years – they had very little H2H training – most were too concerned with getting injuries that would keep them from being operational. It is simply a myth that the Navy SEALs have special H2H training or have specific H2H instructors. There have been many civilian instructors who have been contracted on a short term basis to instruct certain SEAL groups, and individual SEALs or small groups of SEALs have sought out and trained with outside H2H instructors.>

Post: blkghost:

wtf ??>

Post: graham1:

[quote=Sensei S. Hilaire The SEALs have no specific H2H training. Depending on where they are stationed, some find private training. Occasionally an outside person is brought in for seminars on various subjects – but there is no formal or extensive H2H training. I have a long time friend who was in DEVGRU for many years – they had very little H2H training – most were too concerned with getting injuries that would keep them from being operational. It is simply a myth that the Navy SEALs have special H2H training or have specific H2H instructors. There have been many civilian instructors who have been contracted on a short term basis to instruct certain SEAL groups, and individual SEALs or small groups of SEALs have sought out and trained with outside H2H instructors.[/quote 

Our Royal Marines, Para’s, SAS, SBS & the like are similarly trained. Their physical fitness is built up to a very high level, partly to give them physical endurance to carry out their tasks, but mostly to give them the strength of mind to see their tasks through. Their H2H fighting systems are relatively simple, but they’re ingrained by vast numbers of repititions under pressure.>

Post: zefff:

If its any use I train BJJ with one guy who is a Royal Marine so what does that tell you?…mind you he also is a pro MMA fighter but he isnt mega active. Im pretty sure none of his MA training (Judo, Boxing, MT, BJJ) is developed with any ‘field’ work in mind.>

Post: Haas:

I know a guy in the Marines that dose TKD ^_^>

Post: zefff:

exactly! :lol:>

Post: bamboo:

Honestly, I don’t understand why soldiers get super hero status when it comes to martial arts. The ones I know (including most family members) take classes outside the military for good training.

Thier H2H training was good, but certainly not the focus.

-bamboo>

Post: Robert_RedBeard:

I like to go in blind on my first post. So without reading more than the first post, here goes.

I have 2 SCARS Instructional Tapes I was given a while back to review.

What I learned from them was what Jerry( I think it’s Jerry) had to say about Autonomic Reactions. Certain moves that get certain responses that can lead an opponent right into your next move.

So once you have the initiative you are dictating the outcome with each attack. Darren Laur has done a lot of writing on similar things.

The actual techniques that are contained are pretty basic. They are meant for the average person to be able to practice and perform with ease. So A trained fighter could be a real bad ass if they learned it’s uses.

I have read someplace that his training is very brutal. They have all kinds of Situation Rooms and Environments to train in. He advocates realistic practice under realistic conditions. Seems pretty serious to me.

Now I will go read the rest of the posts.>

Post: dscott:

[quote=bamboo Honestly, I don’t understand why soldiers get super hero status when it comes to martial arts. The ones I know (including most family members) take classes outside the military for good training.

Thier H2H training was good, but certainly not the focus.

-bamboo[/quote 

From what I’ve heard…..police are in the same boat. They don’t get the great H2H training that everyone thinks.>

Post: Robert_RedBeard:

My father got pretty basic H2H training. BUt it was up to him to practice his skills. There was no program to support the skill like their should be.

I think the main problem is lack of experience. Not enough practice and not realistic enough practice. But mostly just not enough training at all.

Police should have a large arsenal of hand techniques to avoid deadly force.

Soldiers are meant to close with and shoot an enemy. H2H is secondary. It’s not how they prefer to dispatch the enemy.

Unless they are special troopers. Then I can see special H2H training. But it would have to be very brutal.>

Post: graham1:

I agree with Robert Redbeard about the military’s emphasis on their shooting skills. In the British military, Navy & Air Force, basic level H2H combat is taught & it is up to service personnel to supplement that training from other systems if they wish.
Our police are not encouraged to learn H2H combat as their management & the government is worried about how that would look to the general public. Interpersonal skills are preferred, as in the military saying “Bullshit baffles brains.”
In the wonderful world of Security that I inhabit – H2H skills? :lol:
The security industry management is terrified of being sued, so they will not give that kind of training – not even to hospital & retail security guards.>

Post: littlebasterd:

[quote=vladimir http://www.fightingarts.com/reading/article.php?id=46

What are peoples’ opinions on his Martial Art and the way it is taught. A few of the things don’t seem too effective but guess the the proof is in the pudding.

Quote:

SCARS teaches participants the proper way to use close kicks. to illustrate, Blake Peterson uses his shin to strike his opponent’s throat.

The chances of kicking of having your leg caught when your kicking this high is too great.

Quote:
What is ground-breaking–Peterson’s flash of Eureka!–comes from grasping the combat implications of one simple physiological fact: When it comes to absorbing punishment, every human body always reacts exactly the same way.

I don’t think that’s actually true because some people have higher pain tolerances.

Quote:
The meat of this text consists of twenty-five Combat Lessons. Each of these Lessons is a sequence of four or five techniques, usually including a throw, which are initiated off an opponent’s punch or kick. These sequences contain no defensive moves whatsoever. Instead, all checks to attacking arms or legs are delivered as intercepting counterstrikes aimed at specific nerves.

If the block wasn’t necessary than people wouldn’t use it but they assume that you’ll be quick enough that your enemy won’t be able to respond.[/quote  8O 8O [b

When your learning to fight like a seal it should be quick, fast, and hard not slow so it can be draged out.[/b >

Post: graham1:

Fighting like a seal?

I suppose you could use one of the trumpets as a blow-pipe.

As a hospital security guard, I used to work here in London with a man who was an ex Navy SEAL. He was an immensely capable fighter.>

Post: littlebasterd:

yes i want to fight like a seal because there light but efective.>

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