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Aikijitsu is… WOW.
Original Poster: sheato
Forum: Japanese Martial Arts
Posted On: 18-06-2004, 20:30

Orginal Post: sheato: Well, I’ve only been training for about three years, but mainly in Muay Thai and Kempo… hard styles.
I went to an Aikijitsu dojo here in my town, and have been goin on and off for about 6 months. I love it. I have stopped training in the hard styles completely.. because I really love the concepts behind it.
As a person, I don’t look for violence, and look for the most logical/peaceful way out of a situation. This is the style that I can endorse and agree with 100%.

I know Bamboo and Setsu have practiced Aiki in one form or another, and I was wondering if anyone had any sugestions on how to practice alone (no uke)…

I’m addicted.

Post: bamboo:

Sheato-

Footwork, footwork..footwork! Then you should do some more footwork!>

Post: sheato:

Frustrating thing is… I keep going back to cat stance from Kempo (or traditional Muay Thai stance). Its not really a problem, its just funny when during randori I slowly raise two fists and cock a leg up. :lol:>

Post: BLACK PANTA:

[quote=sheato Frustrating thing is… I keep going back to cat stance from Kempo (or traditional Muay Thai stance). Its not really a problem, its just funny when during randori I slowly raise two fists and cock a leg up. :lol:[/quote 

Bamboo can confirm this. I had the same problem when I took a class of Aikido. The stance in Aikido is confusing at first, especially to one that has trained in another art with their own stances. I’m sure bamboo would agree when I tell you stick to it and practice it will be easier. Be consious of it at first and once you are it will become second nature. There is a rule in kung fu that should be applied to other arts. Train each movement 1000 fold to train muscle memory and unconcious recall. Once you do that in any art, more than half of you problem is solved. I personally dont train in Aikido but I know your problem. My wife, who only studied Yoga, had way, way, way less problem with the Aikido footwork than I did. You will have, for now, to put aside your prior knowledge of MAs and focus on the Aiki. I am in now way reccomending you forget your prior training, dont ever forget.>

Post: BLACK PANTA:

I subscribe to focusing on one art and only one art. I dont like the Jack of all trades master of none training. Focus should be the firt priority of a Martial artist.>

Post: setsu nin to:

sheato

When you practice alone work on your speed, power and other skills. That whats I did when I started with martial arts.

I am just interesting whats name of ryuha that you learn?>

Post: bamboo:

Sheato,

For the aiki arts you’ll notice that the seniors all have huge wrists and forearms. Another solo exercise you can do is to go out get a suburito or at the very least a very heavy and long bokken and do 500-1000 proper shomen cuts every day. You will strengthen your wrists and it only helps with technique down the road.

cheers,

-bamboo>

Post: sheato:

Thanks for those responses. Those are all very good suggestions, some of which I already do. (I work on footwork for an hour and a half nightly.)

As far as I can tell, we refer to our system as just SDS Aikijitsu.

Here is the website if you’re interested, Setsu.
http://www.aiki-jitsu.net/

And here is another website, our sister school.
http://www.aikitulsa.com/>

Post: bamboo:

Sheato,

How does your school name the techniques- could you give an example?

-bamboo>

Post: sheato:

Sure.

A few of our beginning Atemi are called Shomenuchi, Yokomenuchi, Tsuki.

From Suwari Waza:
Ryote Tori Tenchinage
Ryote Tori Kokyunage
Kote Gaeshi
Katae Hiji Garuma
Ryo Hiji Garuma

Is that what you mean? It is tradidional Japanese is that is what you’re asking.
Hiji Men Garuma
Moromen Garuma>

Post: bamboo:

Sheato,

Thats exactly what I was asking for. Thank you.

Do you enjot suwari waza? My knees hate it, I feel like I’m bruising the bruises every night. :lol:

-bamboo>

Post: sheato:

not really…
I mean, its a great learning tool, but I enjoy Tachi Waza more. When I’m standing, I feel more fluid. Blending is easier in Tachi.>

Post: setsu nin to:

sheato

I asked you more about name of the school, becouse there is no such thing as Aikijutsu in Japan. There is Aikijujutsu in Japan. Well I checked site and I have to admit that all that with Jeet Ken Do is realy suspicious to me. Also i checked and Aikijutsu is not recognised by Aikijujutsu authoritys in Japan, same as Gary Dill.
Well I told you all these becouse that I am on your place I would leave these school.>

Post: sheato:

Thanks Setsu… I know full well, and from personal experince what kind of fakes there are in MA today. However, I can trust the legitimacy of this school and this art. Gary Dill studied Jeet KUNE Do with James Lee, and I have asked for lineage to Takeda and Daitoryu, both of which were provided.

I see no reason to leave this school. The teaching that I am recieving there is very real and very important to me.

In a nutshell, I cannot believe that this is a McDojo. :)>

Post: setsu nin to:

If you feel god there than there is no problem.>

Post: bamboo:

I think setsu meant “good” and not “god”, although I am often wrong (just ask the wife) :wink: .

Sheato:

Another question, do you practice bokken with the aikijutsu at all? If not, I would suggest checking out a good aikido weapons class as the sword there is meant to help your tachiwaza and not make you into a swordsman. Any ASU dojo practices Saotome’s aikiken exercises which were created specifically to learn the aiki arts.

have fun,

-bamboo>

Post: sheato:

Yes, we practice bokken, hanbo, etc.

Not for “weapons’ purposes, but like you said, to help tachiwaza and fluidity.

Now that I think about it… I THINK I knew someone on this board who used to train at this school. Can’t remember his name for the life of me though… :x>

Post: setsu nin to:

Yes, I whanted to wrote good, not god :oops:>

Post: lakan_sampu:

hmmmmmmmm……..

What then is the current stance that you are taking now and training with, sheato? the one that you said you train an hour and a half nightly….anyone here, can you describe it to me? maybe it’ll be useful for me in our randori drills, especially when my friends all have canes with them during those drills…is it same with aikido?if not, can anyone describe and differentiate the two stances that I’m asking for?thanks!!!!!

cheers!!!

-li_siao_lung>

Post: setsu nin to:

“Yes, we practice bokken, hanbo, etc”

Do you practice Jojutsu?>

Post: sheato:

I only meant that I practice movement. Blending. And working on that “memory muscle” so that a good aikijujitsu/aikido stance feels “normal” to me.
(Hands at the ready, foot positioning, and keeping my center.)

And no, I don’t practice Jojutsu, setsu.>

Post: setsu nin to:

sheato

what are these “etc” things?>

Post: sheato:

Due, I believe. mostly to the eclectic nature of the school, we use full length bo, bokken, hanbo, escrima sticks… These are the ones I have gotten to use up to this point. I see many other forms of weapons adorning the walls though. Sai, tanto and full length katana, survival knives (and their practice forms), nunchuku (which I think is for Jeet Kune Do)… you know… “etc.” :)

I think many of these weapons are for decoration though. Could be wrong. I frequently am.>

Post: setsu nin to:

sheato

How similar are Aikijitsu and Daito-ryu?>

Post: sheato:

It is from Daito-ryu. It was one of the first things I asked the Instructors, even before I came to a single class.>

Post: setsu nin to:

Are you shure that its Daito-ryu, I ask becouse I never heard about Daito-ryu Dojo in Oklahoma.>

Post: odudog:

Sheato,
Suwari waza is very important. Once you get good at it, you will find that you blend even better during Tachi waza. Suwari waza is all about technique and it won’t let you cheat. If your off balance, too close, too far, etc… Suwari waza will expose this weakness really quick. My dojo did a Randori Suwari waza recently. I liked that a lot. I have to remember that when I begin to teach.>

Post: bamboo:

Odudog,

Are also taking Aikijujutsu? I agree about suwari waza, its a great exercise and allows you concentrate on the technique more so as you center is much more grounded being so close to the ground. The only shortcoming I notice is that uke must really over commit when attacking.

I also very much enjoy Hanmi handachi (some daito-ryu schools call it hanza handachi), it really allows you so work on using minimum movement with a strongly rooted center.

cheers, :)

-bamboo>

Post: odudog:

bamboo,
Uke doesn’t have to over commit if you go get him while he is committing. 50% his attack and 50% your attack. I think that you have to learn this just in case Uke is deciphering what you are doing and starts to lose interest in that attack and wants to change. But, it is too late for you went and got him before he could completely change and use the energy that he created coupled with the energy that you are adding. I am studying Aikido {came back 2 yrs. ago}, however, when I first started learning in college the style that I was being taught was labeled Aikibudo at the end of the style name. I still have some of that mentality today and am creating my own style {philosophy} as I go. I now have my style principals {taken from Aikido but I just put my own spin on it}, logo, and name. Mind you, it will be a family style as in the old ways and not something that I wish to be a money maker and have to spread it all over the world.>

Post: setsu nin to:

I agree that Suwari waza is same important as Tachi waza. But some people “play” to much with Suwari waza. In my opinion suwari waza should be done only on tatami for at least two years, and after that you should do it widouth tatami just from time to time, not always!

I dont see any point of discousing about which percent of attack should use Uke and which percent should use Tori, becouse it depende on techniques, on you, on opponent…>

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