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Japanese martial arts/styles


Japanese martial arts/styles
Original Poster: BLACK PANTA
Forum: Japanese Martial Arts
Posted On: 30-08-2004, 11:37

Orginal Post: BLACK PANTA: Here is the Japanese counter part to the Chinese thread.

Now the Japanese arts I can mustre up right now is

Karate: Shotokan, Goju Ryu
Japanese JuJutsu
Ninjutsu: Bujinkan

This is all I can think of right now, Like I said TVs really got me distracted. I chose to do this now because I will have more time to do this now than I would at work.
As with the Chinese thread please add on, ask question, and describe.

Post: kichigai:

Shorinji Kempo

Post: Gong||Jau:

Are we naming individual ryu-ha for each style? That could get messy, especially with Karate and Ninjitsu.>

Post: bamboo:

Hozoin-ryu Takada-ha
Systems practiced: sojutsu (su yari, kama yari)
Founded by: Hozoin Kakuzenbo In-ei
Mainly located in: Nara

Ono-ha Itto-ryu
Systems practiced: kenjutsu (odachi, kodachi, habiki)
Founded by: Ito Ittosai Kagehisa (Itto-ryu); Ono Jirouemon Tadaaki (Ono-ha Itto-ryu)
Mainly located in: Tokyo Prefecture

Shinto Muso-ryu
Systems practiced: jojutsu; kenjutsu (odachi, kodachi, nito)
Founded by: Muso Gonnosuke Katsuyoshi
Mainly located in: Japan, parts of North America

Systems practiced: iai (tandoku; kumi); kempo (odachi, kodachi, tanto, aikuchi/kaiken); naginata; jo (jo, tanjo); kogusoku (sude; wakizashi)
Founded by: Mima Yoichizaemon Kagenobu
Mainly located in: Shizuoka; Tokyo; Kanagawa; Chiba

Daito-ryu aikijujutsu
Systems practiced: aiki jujutsu
Founded by: Takeda Sokaku
mainly located in: Tokyo; Hokkaido

Systems practiced: torite kogusoku (close combat, grappling with & without weapons), tojutsu (odachi, kodachi, tanto, bokken); bojutsu; naginatajutsu (nagamaki); kusarigamajutsu; chigirikijutsu; ryofundojutsu
Founded by: Araki Mujinsai Minamoto no Hidenawa
Mainly located in: Gunma and Saitama Prefecture>

Post: Hengest:

Yeah, I don’t think we’d have room to fit all the ryuha names here. The Bugei Ryuha Daijiten is 600 pages long in Japanese! But even if you list general names, it can still get pretty long.

Koryu Bujutsu
Jujutsu (aka yawara, yawaragi, yawarajutsu, taijutsu, koshi no mawari kogusoku, koshi no mawari, kogusoku, kumiuchi, hade, aikijujutsu, aikijutsu, shuhaku, judo, wajutsu, toritejutsu, torite, etc.)
Kenjutsu (aka kenpo, gekkenjutsu, gekken, tojutsu, tachijutsu, odachijutsu, kodachijutsu, kendo, bikenjutsu, koshi no mawari, hyoho, heiho, ninjatojutsu, etc.)
Iai (aka iaijutsu, iaido, battojutsu, battodo, batto, etc.)
Bojutsu (aka rokushakubojutsu, jojutsu, hanbojutsu, sanjakubojutsu, tanjojutsu, etc.)

Gendai Budo
Karate (aka karatedo, karatejutsu, toudijutsu, todejutsu, tode, te, etc.)
Shorinji kenpo
Nippon kenpo
Sports chanbara

And this is all just for starters, just the stuff I can remember off the top of my head. There’s literally hundreds, even before you start naming ryuha.>


Oh yeah I forgot Sumo.>



Heeeeerrree’s the questions. Can you briefly explaing all of the styles listed above? I know Jutsu means Technique, but the words b4 jutsu I dont recognize. Just a brief explaination of what they are.>

Post: setsu nin to:

So here we started with ryuha list…

Bamboo, Hengest nice work!>

Post: setsu nin to:

Here are some of traditional Japanese ryuhas

Tenjin Shinyo-ryu

Asayama Ichiden-ryu


Ono-ha Itto-ryu


Shinto Muso-ryu

Muso Shinden-ryu

Muso Jikiden Eishin-ryu

Hontai Yoshin-ryu



Post: Gong||Jau:

Kenjutsu (aka kenpo, gekkenjutsu, gekken, tojutsu, tachijutsu, odachijutsu, kodachijutsu, kendo, bikenjutsu, koshi no mawari, hyoho, heiho, ninjatojutsu, etc.)

This part threw me off a bit. Is that the same kenpo that is similar to/a type of karate? Are the empty handed elements of kenpo taught in kenjutsu (or vice versa)? In the words of Dr. Evil, throw me a frickin’ bone here :lol:. Great post, by the way.>


Kenjutsu to my knowledge is Sword techniques. If there are sword techniques in Kenpo what sword do they use? Is it similar to kendo or is it similar to Chinese sword techniques?>

Post: Gong||Jau:

That’s what confused me. I’ve never studied Kenjutsu or Kendo so I don’t know whether or not they have empty-handed techniques, but I know that they’re most well-known for their sword work.>

Post: jlambvo:

Kukishin ryu referred to their swordwork as kenpo. Source:

They used tachi, large swords that predate the modern katana. The technique is seperate from their unarmed fighting. Altogether the ryu refers to their art as “happo bikenjutsu” or 8 secret weapon ways, which includes unarmed fighting and grappling in armor (dakentaijutsu, yoroi kumi-uchi), short range battlefield weapons (jutte, tessen, shoto), kenjutsu, defensive stick weapons (jo, hanbo), offensive stick weapons (rokushakubo), spear and polearms (naginata, bisento, yari), throwing blades, and battlefield strategy (a large topic that seems to have included army tactics, meteorology, disguise/stealth/espionage, use of water and fire, fortress construction, etc). They also taught horsemanship and frequently fought on naval vessels. I think there are three branches taught today: Hatsumi Masaaki (Bujinkan dojo), Tanaka Fumon (Kukishin ryu bojutsu), and Kuki Takatake (of the Kuki family).

One headmaster of Kukishin ryu became allies with the soke of Takagi Yoshin ryu; after a friendly match they became convinced of Kuki’s superior weapon use and Takagi’s better jujutsu, and restructured each other’s cirriculum to resolve the differences. I was just reading something about a little known sub-style of fighting that was developed by Ohkuni Shigenobu (13 soke Kukishin ryu, c. 1688) between these two, that combines Kukishin ryu’s weaponry and battlefield grappling, Yoshin ryu’s indoor jujutsu, and “rough-and-tumble street grappling.” He was supposed to have simply called it Shinken Gata, and it is written under the title Tora no Maki.

According to some history notes I have, the founder of Itto ryu was a student of someone who practiced Kukishin ryu, and it goes on to say that some of Itto ryu’s higher teachings and notes on strange swordwork are nearly if not completely identical to kenjutsu from Kukishin ryu. There is also the supposition that Kito ryu was influenced by the Kukishin ryu, as one headmaster of the former was a student of one of the Kuki’s and contains some nearly identical teachings (which might well be in turn from Yoshin ryu :idea: ). It would be interesting to substantiate either of these.>

Post: jlambvo:

Panta, here is a brief explanation of at least some of the terms Hengest listed. Feel free to correct or add to any of them:

Tessenjutsu – This is use of an iron warfan, used like a truncheon for in-fighting on the battlefield. I’ve heard of them being made with mirrored surfaces that could reflect light into the eyes of your enemy, be used as a shield against thrown objects, and can be opened suddenly as a distraction. You can also beat the guy silly with it.

Juttejutsu – A truncheon with a single prong on the side, which can be used to catch swords and disarm the opponent. It can also be used to aid small-joint manipulation and puncture kyusho. Used by police as a non-lethal means to detain unruly samurai, but also used on the battlefield in grappling (and to break open helmets).

Kusarijutsu – Chain weapons… flexibility allows dynamic range, unpredictable movement, yet unlike a rope can be used directly against bladed weapons.

Kamajutsu – The short sickle weapon, used alone or sometimes attached to a chain (kusari-gama, the “k” becomes a “g” in conjunction with another word).

Kusaribojutsu – I’m assuming this is a chain weapon hidden inside a cane, or a sectional staff weapon of some kind.

Tekkenjutsu – One of the few forms of digital combat that cannot be dominated by sheer button-mashing. Naw, I actually don’t know what this is.

Koppojutsu – A typically unarmed method (though the principles apply to weapons use), my favorite translation is “breaking the structure.” Focuses on percussive manipulation of the opponent’s skeletal alignment to lock up the body, destroy joints, and expose vital points. Hatsumi soke has also referred to “koppo” as simply meaning “knack,” like to have skill at something, so it could just be a way of referfing to knowing when and where to hit someone.

Kosshijutsu – Often interpreted as bone-finger art and previously known as shito-jutsu this style makes frequent use of finger drives (shito-ken) to attack the nervous system and organs. It also means backbone, which can refer to the use of rotating the spine to generate power, the way its techniques affect the opponent’s spine (twisting it up to take his balance and create tension for vital strikes), and sometimes to figuratively refer to it as the “backbone of martial arts.”

Kyushojutsu – Attacks to weak points, often based on accu-points from chinese medicince which are often related to the nervous and circulatory systems. Kyusho also include organs, joints, weak bones, arteries, and so forth, usually attacked through surface areas that do not accumulate muscle or fat tissue.

Nageyarijutsu – throwing spears, I gather.

Hojutsu – Use of the rope in combat, for capturing and restraining. I heard a story of Hatsumi tying up Shiraisi-sensei and walking away, where the poor shihan was still standing (barely) but any movement on his part (including falling) would either choke him or break one of several small joints. Being Shiraisi, he was of course grinning like a fool the whole time :)

Bajutsu – Horsemanship, for riding in armor and fighting from horseback with various weapons.

Kyujutsu – Archery… only a couple koryu kyujutsu exist today, most were homogonized into the gendai art of kyudo.>

Post: bamboo:

Some are repeats.


Spear based arts


Katchu gozen oyogi

Post: jlambvo:

A few other styles found within the Bujinkan dojo (Yoshin ryu already mentioned by Setsu):

Gyokko ryu
Formalized by Sakagami Kunishige in the mid-16th century

Koto ryu
Koppojutsu, kenjutsu, shurikenjutsu
Also formalized by Sakagami Kunishige in the mid-16th century (the two were inherited by Momochi Sandayu and passed down together through the Toda family. The two schools compliment each other.
Ueno Takashi and Fukumoto Sensei (Kaden Koto Ryu) both claim to be soke of this school in addition to Hatsumi Masaaki.

Shinden Fudo ryu
Taijutsu (dakentaijtsu, jutaijutsu), iaijutsu/battojutsu, bisento, o-ono (great axe)
Supposedly formalized by Izumo Yoshitero (who also founded Kukishinden ryu) in the early 12th century. One of the earliest examples of iaijutsu, which is hidden in its jujutsu.

Gikan ryu
Uryu Gikanbo founded this in the late 16th century. The densho only lists kata by name, the teachings are purely oral tradition and rarely taught. I’ve seen only a couple technique from it. They friggin hurt.

We of course have the three ninjutsu ryu. There is a lot of conjecture about the legitimacy of these arts. It is not unreasonable to me that the teachings of these arts are at the very least a synthesis of strategies and tactics found within other systems. Kukishin ryu appears to have quite a bit on invisibility, disguise, espionage, scouting, military strategy, the use of fire and water, and fortress construction (and hence their weaknesses). Gyokko ryu and Koto ryu both came to the Toda family by way of Momochi Sandayu, a famous Iga ninja, and all three ninjutsu ryu demonstrate influences by one or both of these styles.>

Post: Gong||Jau:

Thanks for the explanation jlambvo.>

Post: jlambvo:

Yep, don’t know what kenpo refers to in other sword schools of course (if it is used elsewhere).

Panta, are you just looking to list styles, or expound more on their differences?>

Post: Wilhelm von Wänkensteïn:

Nice posts, jlambvo and everyone else :D

BTW, I wouldn’t be entirely clear, but I think Tekkenjutsu, prior to the late 20th century, would refer to the use of fist-load weapons similar to the tecchu/tekchu used by Ryukyu kenpoka. I remember looking through a book with photos of yawara-gi weapons and among them were various weapons obviously designed to enhance a clenched fist, several of which looked almost exactly like modern knuckledusters. These were probably holdout weapons carried by samurai for use when swords couldn’t be brought or drawn, or else when the shite hit the fan on the battlefield and they really needed to punch someone very, very hard.

Nowadays, of course, it refers to virtuousity in a complex fighting video game that takes place in three planes of motion :lol:>

Post: Wilhelm von Wänkensteïn:

In reply to Panta’s questions regarding these various systems, here are the ones I can answer and that have not yet been answered by others:

Yoroidoshijutsu: The yoroi-doshi is a long, pointy dagger whose name literally means ‘armour-piercer’ and was built expressly for that purpose. This is essentially a subset of yawara-gi – a catch-all term for fighting bare-handed or with small weapons like daggers – that involves a lot of jujutsu-type techniques to take down or immobilise an opponent, lift up his skirt and poke him very, very hard and deep with the dagger…rather homoerotic in a way, really :twisted:

Kaikenjutsu: I’m not familiar with all the details, but the kaiken was a dagger similar to an aikucchi (dagger without hilt-guard) associated with the female samurai, so this would presumably be an art of the dagger popular with the ladies. Anyone know how it might be different from tanto/aikucchi-jutsu?

Kabutowarijutsu: This is a bit of a mystery to me – as far as I know, the kabutowari is the seam between the two halves of the main shell of a Japanese helmet and runs along the centreline of the head. Many styles of battlefield kenjutsu have a ‘pear-splitting cut’ that aims to cut through this weakness in the head armour. Does anyone know if this refers to a weapon somehow related to this phenomenon or if it’s just some maniac’s expansion on 10 Ways to Split A Man’s Head Down the Middle? :lol:

Jittejutsu: ‘Jitte’ can be an alternative pronunciation for ‘jutte’, but a ‘jitte’ was also a separate weapon entirely, as Hengest once told me. It apparently is essentially the stabbing head of a cross-guarded spear (juji-yari) with a handle wrapped over the tang, making it something like a straight short sword. Apparently, it is employed as a parrying weapon in combat.

Tekkenjutsu: Already mentioned above.

Hojutsu: The traditional art of marksmanship with matchlocks, flintlocks and hand-cannons.

Hojojutsu: The art of arresting, encompassing the use of jujutsu-like techniques and specialised, exotic tools like barbed poles to entangle clothing to subdue unruly people with less than lethal force.

Yabusame: The art of mounted archery.>

Post: Wilhelm von Wänkensteïn:

A couple of specialised ryuha I could think of:

Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu: A fairly young koyru style, it was founded by Terao, one of Miyamoto Musashi’s students, some years after the master’s death. Most famous for its nito or two-sword kenjutsu, it also includes many classical bujutsu weapons such as bo, yari, naginata and jo in its syllabus.

Maniwa-nen Ryu: An old koyru style whose founding is attributed to the 9th century monk Jion, it is most well-known for its yadome, or arrow-blocking, involving cutting incoming projectiles out of mid-air with one’s sword.>

Post: lakan_sampu:

hey guys, have a question here…

Can anyone describe to me what Taijustsu is? Is it included in Ninjutsu? Do Ninjas use it?Ever heard of Genjutsu? Thanks!!!!>

Post: jlambvo:

“Tai” means body, so it is literally the technique of using the body. Generally speaking it is a very old term for jujutsu used by a number of systems to describe the empty-hand component of their technique. It was popularized in the 80’s by authors like Stephen K. Hayes who passed it off as something unique to our (the Bujinkan’s) cirriculum and specificlally to ninjutsu, but this is absolutely not the case.

Taijutsu examines how the body functions as a complete system to accomplish tasks with minimal motion and energy, and also how the opponent’s body is affected overall by this technique. As I stated above it is typically in reference to empty-handed combat, although you can consider efficient weapon use to have its own taijutsu behind it. Taijutsu (in our cirriculum anyway) tends to not distinguish ranges or principle methods of combat, grappling and striking are completely integrated across a spectrum of distances.

As far as I know, there aren’t many “ninjas” running around Japanese castles anymore, which kind of supercedes their ability to use taijutsu :wink:>

Post: setsu nin to:


This part threw me off a bit. Is that the same kenpo that is similar to/a type of karate? Are the empty handed elements of kenpo taught in kenjutsu (or vice versa)?

There are three diferent things Kempo, Kenpo (fist art) and Kenpo (sword art).
Kempo you may finde only in Okinawa and its fist art, Kenpo you may finde in Japan (northen from Okinawa) and it may be fist art or sword art. Today in modern days you may finde Kenpo in Okinawa or added to Karate too. Well Kenpo (fist art) is much diferent from Okinawa Kempo. Kenpo is also old term for Kenjutsu which is not in use much these days. There are not much schools that use it.>

Post: setsu nin to:


nice to see your exelent posts again!

I would just to say that many people use term Taijutsu for Ninjutsu and consider that every Taijutsu school is Ninjutsu, which is wrong. These are just two diferent terms. Same as you may finde Jujutsu in Ninjutsu, you may finde Taijutsu outside Ninjutsu.>

Post: setsu nin to:

I made list of little more than 100 ryuhas for now. Problem is that I am not shure how to separate them. They are mixed now in A-Z list plus some that I have to put in order and many more that I have to add. I would like to put them in groups like Iaijutsu, Jujutsu, Kenjutsu… there is not problem to put in its group Muso Shinden Ryu for example, its Iaido and there is no problem, but what to do with Kito Ryu for example. Should I put it in Kenjutsu, Bojutsu, Iaijutsu, Jujutsu or Kusarigama, or should I put it in all that groups?>

Post: Wilhelm von Wänkensteïn:

How about grouping them by province/region? That might be a better way to do it, since most ryuha were reigonal.>

Post: setsu nin to:


Ever heard of Genjutsu?

Its the art of illusion.>

Post: Wilhelm von Wänkensteïn:

LMAO! I want to learn Kage Bunshin no jutsu! I can become a one-man gangbang! :twisted:>

Post: setsu nin to:


Well I whanted to put few infos about each ryuha but than I realise that it will take me to much time to do it. I belive that there will be more than 300 ryuhas in the end. :?>


Man this is like information overload, wich is a very good thing. There is soo much valuable info on here, that i think i just soiled myself. :lol: This is exactly what I wanted. Not only to list the styles and arts, but to discuss about them, share info, teach, learn, ask questions. This is a really great source thread. excuse me I have to use the bathroom, theres somethin in my eye.>

Post: Wilhelm von Wänkensteïn:

[quote=BLACK PANTA …i think i just soiled myself. :lol:[/quote 

Somebody get the kitty-litter! :lol:

Glad you like this thread, Panta – I’ve found it very informative myself, and I think of it as an online shopping site with tantalising photos of stuff I want to get :D>

Post: Hengest:

Sorry Panta for the late reply. It’s Golden Week here (which means everyone gets a week’s holiday) so I’ve been very busy with drinking, smoking and general revellry! I’ll try and define all the styles I listed. Some people have done a great job of defining some of them already, but rather than go through the entire thread to check which ones have already been defined, I’ll just do the whole lot! Here goes.

Koryu Bujutsu
Jujutsu (aka yawara, yawaragi, yawarajutsu, taijutsu, koshi no mawari kogusoku, koshi no mawari, kogusoku, kumiuchi, hade, aikijujutsu, aikijutsu, shuhaku, judo, wajutsu, toritejutsu, torite, etc.) – close quarter combat, usually grappling based, either unarmed or armed with a close quarter weapon e.g. wakizashi, yoroidoshi, tanto, etc.

Kenjutsu (aka kenpo, gekkenjutsu, gekken, tojutsu, tachijutsu, odachijutsu, kodachijutsu, kendo, bikenjutsu, koshi no mawari, hyoho, heiho, ninjatojutsu, etc.) – art of the sword

Iai (aka iaijutsu, iaido, battojutsu, battodo, batto, etc.) – drawing the sword

Sojutsu – spear

Naginatajutsu – polearm

Bojutsu (aka rokushakubojutsu, jojutsu, hanbojutsu, sanjakubojutsu, tanjojutsu, etc.) – stickfighting; rokushakubojutsu is the usual 6′ staff, jojutsu a 4′ staff, hanbojutsu/sanjakubojutsu a 3′ staff, tanjojutsu a 1′-2′ stick

Tantojutsu – knife fighting; actually not a very common term, most schools including tantojutsu within their jujutsu techniques

Yoroidoshijutsu – knife fighting with the yoroidoshi, a short armour-piercing dagger

Kaikenjutsu – there are actually two styles with this name: one is the use of the kaiken, a small dagger usually kept in the folds of a kimono’s sleeve and usually used by women; the other is the use of the Mushahi kaiken, which is a CQC weapon that looks somewhat like an axe blade but instead of a haft it just has a hole cut towards the back of the blade to slip your hand through.

Kabutowarijutsu – using the “helmet splitter” (sounds painful dunnit?), kind of a truncheon-like weapon with a tine used to bash through the opponents helmet or other armour

Saide – an art that combines the use of the katana with jujutsu-type grappling; I think it’s unique to the Takenouchi Ryu curriculum

Tettojutsu – using the tetto, a truncheon that looks very much like a blunt tanto

Tessenjutsu – combat with the iron fan

Juttejutsu – using the jutte, a tined truncheon, usually used by law enforcement but occassionally used on the battlefield

Jittejutsu – the art of the jitte, usually an off-hand weapon consisting of a spear head with a cross bar, sometimes built to be folding

Kusarijutsu – any art that uses a chain or chain-based weapon

Kamajutsu – combat with a plain old sickle

Kusaribojutsu – the art of the chigiriki, a 3′ staff with a ball and chain attached to one end

Shurikenjutsu – throwing blades; contrary to popular belief, not always star shaped; dart-like blades were more commonly used, some ryuha use full-size aikuchi and other knives

Tekkenjutsu – the good ol’ knuckleduster (my fave! :twisted: )

Mijinjutsu – a rare style that uses three weighted chains connected at one end by an iron ring; it could be used in CQC but could also be thrown to entangle, like a bolas

Sasumatajutsu – combat with an ensnaring weapon, uses a polearm with a sort of semi-circular top used to pin and subdue your adversary

Gekiganjutsu – rare art that uses a ball and chain; never seen it in action but it always conjures up images of Gogo in Kill Bill

Koppojutsu – see jlambvo’s excellent definition

Kosshijutsu – as above

Kyushojutsu – as above

Toamijutsu – fighting with the humble fishnet

Nageyarijutsu – use of a short throwing spear/javelin, usually about 3′-4′ in length

Ishinage – the art of stone throwing; probably a precursor to shurikenjutsu; very common during the Genpei War

Suieijutsu – techniques for swimming in armour and combat in water

Hojutsu – firearms; usually referred to using a harquebus but could also mean anything up to full-blown mortars and cannon

Karumijutsu – the art of leaping

Hojojutsu – rope tying techniques: consists of two parts, one being the formal tying up of prisoners, the second body of techniques being used actually in grappling to subdue and tie up the opponent

Bajutsu – horsemanship

Kyujutsu – archery

Yabusame – mounted archery

Sumai – a form of wrestling and the forerunner of sumo; a lot more violent and more complete and the fight didn’t end when one guy touched the ground: stomping the opponent was perfectly legal

Ninjutsu – techniques of espionage, spying and guerilla warfare; practicing ninjutsu does not neccessarily make you a ninja

Gendai Budo
Karate (aka karatedo, karatejutsu, toudijutsu, todejutsu, tode, te, etc.) – techniques of unarmed combat with Okinawan roots

Judo – Kano Jigoro’s eclectic grappling school, based mainly on several koryu jujutsu ryuha

Aikido – Ueshiba Morihei’s “refinement” of Daito Ryu aikijujutsu

Kendo – sportive form of kenjutsu using armour and a bamboo sword (“shinai”)

Kyudo – modern school of kyujutsu

Naginatado – sportive form of naginatajutsu, using armour and a wooden polearm; common sport in schools but usually only taught to girls

Jodo – a modern school of jojutsu

Jukendo – similar to kendo and naginatado, a sport but based on rifle-and-bayonet combat

Tankendo – a relation of jukendo, sport combat based on using a short sword or dismounted bayonet

Shorinji kenpo – school of combat founded by Doshin So; he always alleged that it was based on Shaolin techniques he learnt in China (it translates as “Shaolin Temple boxing”) but in 1972 Japanese courts ruled that it was no such thing and was most likely a combination of Wado Ryu karate and Hakko Ryu jujutsu, so since then it’s been a legal requirement to call it “Nippon Shorinji kenpo”.

Nippon kenpo – combat sport founded in 1932 by Muneumi Sawayama; a bit ahead of its time, contestants wear armour but techniques at all ranges are permitted; point-based competition but strikes, throws, knockdowns and locks and holds are all scoring techniques

Sumo – modern version of sumai; a lot more civilised but surprisingly complex: not just fat guys in nappies shoving each other

Sports chanbara – modern combat sport, inspired by kendo, etc. but contestants use padded weapons and little armour, with divisions for sword, sword and shield, spear, staff, knife and others

Shootboxing – Cesar Takeshi’s kickboxing-based sport, which also allows standing grappling and throwing and takedown techniques

Taihojutsu – police arrest techniques, now also taught to civilians as a system of self defence>

Post: Wilhelm von Wänkensteïn:

Hengest: Nice! I really love how the Japanese turn every single thing into a formal art for study :D

By the way, is the kabutowari by any chance the forerunner to the jutte? I remember you telling me something of the sort a while back and, now that you mention it, they sound really similar. Also, I think Kukishinden-ryu kenjutsu includes saide training, but I couldn’t be sure – a friend of mine mentioned ‘grappling while swordfighting’ in relation to it, but looking at some of the tricks he’s used on me before (like thrusting at my face and then stepping on my foot while I take a step back :x ), it seems likely. What’s Takenouchi-ryu saide like? :x>

Post: Hengest:

Hammerhead: Yeah I know what you mean. You know the Japanese though, everything’s gotta be organised! :D

The kabutowari could well be a forerunner of the jutte. The tine is usually smaller, almost incidental, and the “blade” is usually thinner and has a downward curve to it, but the similarity can’t be denied.

I think a lot of koryu schools have sword grappling on the curriculum, but it’s usually done with a wakizashi and is normally called something like kumiuchi, kogusoku koshi no mawari, kogusoku or just plain old jujutsu. I think Takenouchi Ryu is one of the few that teaches to grapple while using a full-size katana, and I’m pretty sure it’s the only one to call it saide. Enshin Ryu teaches a similar thing, but they call it kumiuchi kenden.

Unfortunately I’ve never seen saide in action, I’ve only read about it. Maybe I’ll make it to the next koryu budo enbu taikai and then I can fill you in on the details!>

Post: Wilhelm von Wänkensteïn:

Interesting stuff! Yeah, the grappling with the full-sized sword was what I was referring to – I was viewing Kukishinden Happo Biken on tape several years back and was immediately struck by the down-and-dirty stuff they had. A lot of caught steel, small, tricky body movements and downright dirty ( :mrgreen: ) moves at close range, as opposed to the technical cleanness one usually expects from koryu waza, like what one sees in Katori Shinto ryu. They probably call it by a different name, of course, but I think it’s pretty much the same thing in concept and execution. Kukishinden is known to be a survival-oriented style that pulls out all the stops to pull the curtains shut on an opponent.

Please do tell us what went down if you make it to the next convention – I’m sure it’ll be very informative :D>

Post: Hengest:

That’s interesting what you say about Kukishinden ryu. I wasn’t aware it had saide-type stuff. I’ll have to look into it a bit more. Or maybe jlambvo can tell us more. :D>

Post: Wilhelm von Wänkensteïn:

He probably could, guv – he IS the resident senior ninja after all :mrgreen:

On a remotely related note, behold my new siggie! :twisted:>

Post: Wilhelm von Wänkensteïn:

Damn…I only now figure out that you have to check the box to attach your siggie when posting a message…I’m so smart :oops:

The thing that makes me sore is that my previous siggie – “Shagging Corpses in the Name of Science” – went completely unused for weeks! :x Oh well…there’s always next time :twisted:>

Post: jlambvo:

You know, the description of saide prompted the same thought in me, Hammer; a LOT of the kenjutsu I see in the Bujinkan is performed in grappling range, both in class and in recordings of Hatsumi. I haven’t begun practicing much kenjutsu yet; since it is an extension of our taijutsu, it is typical not to pick up the sword for serious study until dan grades (and I’m a fresh one :lol:), so most of my knowledge on it is academic, by observation, or casual practice.

Some of the middle kata for Kukishinden ryu kenjutsu indeed involve “clinching” with the opponent and cutting or throwing him by grappling with the tachi, but I have not practiced any of these yet. More familiar is Shinden Fudo ryu, which has battojutsu “hidden” in its jutaijutsu/dakentaijutsu, the positioning and striking motions are seamlessly sword draws, often followed by locks, chokes, and even throws performed with the long sword blade (suprisingly just as much as the short sword). Sometimes the sword is only partially unsheathed, exposing a limited cutting surface that the opponent is forced across. This is partially demonstrated on the Quest video for Shinden Fudo ryu if you have access to it.

Katana used in grappling is common in Togakure ryu kenjutsu as well, but they used a shorter version of the katana (not the stereotyped straight ninja-to :wink:)so it might be more like koryu that used kodachi in grappling. Both Fudo and Takagi Yoshin ryu also make use of the undrawn swords (hilt and scabbard) in grappling.

It’s an interesting question, something I’ll look into more here.>

Post: Hengest:

I knew jlambvo would come up with the goods. :D

That’s all great stuff, I wasn’t aware of long-sword grappling in ninpo syllabuses although, thinking about it, I’m not really surprised. It does make sense after all.

A lot of koryu jujutsu involves techniques while wearing a long sword that utilizes the saya or partially draws the sword, as you mention jlambvo, but I think what sets the Takenouchi and Enshin ryu apart is that they grapple with the sword fully drawn, much as you describe for Kukishinden ryu.

Hammster, great sig. Where the hell did you get that from!? :lol:>

Post: Wilhelm von Wänkensteïn:

Nice one, jlambvo! Love this discussion, btw – now that I’m actually formally training in koryu bujutsu, it sort of gets me fired up on what’s in store for me later on :mrgreen:

Like the siggie, Hengest? I came up with it after reading and watching too much Naruto (HIGHLY recommended for all ninja and ninja-in-training out there! :D ) and being reminded one dark night that Ashida Kim existed while watching porno :twisted:>

Post: lakan_sampu:

Hey Hammerhead…

r u watching that Naruto anime? can anyone tell me what “bunshin” means? Thanks!

Genjutsu, somewhat a myth to me now…>

Post: Wilhelm von Wänkensteïn:

“Bunshin” is two words and literally means “body-split”, that is creating multiple selves, either illusionary or real, depending on what jutsu you use – I’m still pestering my sensei to teach me the kuji in for Kage Bunshin no Jutsu :mrgreen:>

Post: Wilhelm von Wänkensteïn:

By the way, speaking of budo taijutsu, I remember seeing videoclips of highly acrobatic ninpo taijutsu as practiced in my shibu and my sensei mentioning that ninpo taijutsu is in general a very acrobatic method of fighting, since one theoretically should be trained to fight from any position at any moment in time. Does anyone know which of the ryuha this influence comes from? So far, the budo/koryu taijutsu I’ve seen isn’t especially acrobatic – I have yet to see or do a single kuten-waza in training, and thank heavens for that, because a bloke my size breaking a fall like that badly is major bad news :lol:>

Post: jlambvo:

In the Togakure ryu it is said that if you can kick, strike, catch joint locks, and cut or thrust with a weapon when performing ukemi, you have mastered ukemi. Reading over some materials I have, it notes that in the Togakure ryu ukemi is less breakfalling as it is combat technique, redirecting the opponent’s force into a counter in unusual ways.

Kukishinden ryu, Koto ryu, and Togakure ryu, all call for practicing forward and backward handsprings, flying rolls, flips, cartwheels, and long-distance leaping in eight directions. Togakure ryu also begins with shoten-no-jutsu, vertical running, where you begin running up a board at 45 degrees and slowly increasing its angle (we are getting a device for this in this summer, wee!).

I haven’t seen kata that specifically call for the use of such acrobatics, except Togakure ryu using rolls for escapes. It would be unusual for other schools to use them in combat, perhaps it is more about becoming comfortable with your body in many different positions and moving in different ways. If nothing else it helps recieving and to develop an understanding of your body mechanics.>

Post: setsu nin to:

Ok, here it go. I decide to start with list of ryuhas that I promise long time ago. There is realy large number of diferent ryuhas that I have on list. I listed them A-Z, but I do it myself, I checked it few times and every time i finde some new mestakes so probabli there are still some wrong sorted ryuhas on he list. Also I put ryuhas in four lists. Koryu, Gendai, Karate and Ninjutsu. I take out Ninjutsu ryuhas from Koryu – Gendai list to make shorter lists, but I keep few Ninjutsu ryuhas in bouth Koryu and Ninjutsu lists (just some basic as Koga-ryu and Iga-ryu). Also becouse there are so many ryuhas and becouse I didnt whant to make just list with just names of ryuhas I put sentenc or two of some moust basic infos of every ryuha. End for the end these log list that I make is actualy just just one part of more than 3000 diferent ryuhas.
So lets start….>

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Abe-ryu is oldest traditional Kendo school finded in 18th century. It was developed from traditional Kenjutsu school. Also there was Abe-ryu as Ninjutsu art, which was developed from Iga-ryu.

Abe Tate-ryu was used as name for Abe-ryu Kendo, there was Tate-ryu name used too.

Aio-ryu is Jujutsu/Kenjutsu school founded in 17th century. Also school is known becouse of techniques of the lance.

Aisu Kage-ryu or Asiu Kage-no-ryu is Kenjutsu style founded in 15th/16th century by Aisu Tarozaemon Hisatada who later change name to Aisu Ikosai Hisatada. Its belived that Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto Ryu influenced on creating Aisu Kage-ryu. Later Ikosais student Kamiizumi Ise-no-kami Hidetsuna developed Shinkage Ryu.

Anazawa-ryu is Naginatajutsu style founded in 17th century.>

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Here is todays five ryuhas…

Araki-ryu was found in 17th century by Araki Mujinsai Minamoto no Hidenawa. Practicing Araki-ryu Kogusoku you learn to use kusarigamajutsu, torite kogusoku, chigirikijutsu, tojutsu, bojutsu, naginatajutsu and ryofundojutsu. Some of arts that Ariki Hidetsuna learned was Yagyu Shinkage-ryu and Muso Jikiden-ryu so we may finde influence of these arts. Later few arts were developed from Araki-ryu, like Araki Kempi-ryu.

Arima Shinto-ryu was Kenjutsu school founded by Arima Motonobu. Arima Shinto-ryu was developed from fameous sword style Shinto-ryu. Arima Shinto-ryu is diferent martial art than Ninjutsu style Arima-ryu which was developed in Iga region. Also there are some theory that founder of Arima Shinto-ryu was Tsukahara Bokuden, but there is no evidence for that.

Asayama Ichiden-ryu is Taijutsu school, founded by Asayama Ichidensai Shigetatsu in 16th century. Asayama Ichiden-ryu is asociated with warrior families known as Jizamurai. Also school teach Taijutsu, Kenjutsu and Iaijutsu, Bojutsu and Kamajutsu.

Bokuden-ryu is Jujutsu style found in 16th century by Tsukahara Bokuden. Tsukahara Bokuden was fameous swordman (even instructor of Shogun Yoshiteru Ashikaga), so Bokuden-ryu have exelent Kenjutsu techniques too. Tsukahara Bokuden learned Katori Shinto-ryu so it influenced on Bokuden-ryu.

Toda-ha Buko-ryu Naginatajutsu was developed from Toda-ryu. In Toda-ha Buko-ryu are teached many weapons like Naginata, Tachi, Yari and Kusarigama, but moust known Toda-ha Buko-ryu weapon is Kagitsuki Naginata (glaive mounted with a crossbar at the juncture of haft and blade) which make these school special.>

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Chujo-ryu was found in 15th century by Chujo Nagahide. Chujo-ryu is Kenjutsu style. Many fameous Kenjutsu styles were developed from Chujo-ryu, some of them are Itto-ryu, Toda-ryu, Muto-ryu, Hasegawa-ryu, Tomita-ryu…

Daito-ryu is moust known Aikijujutsu style founded by Shinra Saburo Minamoto Yoshimitsu in 11th century. Daito-ryu was teached in seacret till the end of Edo period. In Meiji period Sokaku Takeda open it to public, but only to high class society in Japan.

Eishin-ryu was founded by Hasegawa Chikaranosuke Eishin.

Fukono-ryu is Jujutsu/Kenjutsu style, founded by Fukono Shichiroemon in 17th century. Style was developed from Kito-ryu.

Gan-ryu was founded in begining of 17th century by Sasaki Kojiro. School is known by using very long sword known as Nodachi.>

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Gassan-ryu is Naginata style from 19th century.

Gyokko-ryu is Koshijutsu style. School was brought from China to Japan by Cho Gyokko, but Sakagami Taro Kunishige organised the ryu and was headmaster from 1532 to 1555. In Gyokko-ryu you may learn Koshijutsu, Shitojutsu, Bojutsu and Kenjutsu.

Gyokushin-ryu was founded by Sasaki Goemon. He generaly developed Gyokushin-ryu from Gyokko-ryu. Also in Gyokushin-ryu was teached Nagenava (rope throwing).

Hakutsu-ryu is an traditionaly Jujutsu style.

Hasegawa Eishin-ryu is style of Iaijutsu or fast sword drawing. Later style was known as Muso Jikiden Eishin-ryu.>

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Hasegawa-ryu is Iaijutsu style. Hasegawa-ryu was founded by Hasegawa Soki in 16th century.

Hasegawako-ryu is branch od Hasegawa-ryu. today its part of Hakko-ryu.

Hayashizaki-ryu is style of Iaijutsu, today also known as Shimmei Muso-ryu.

Hideyoshi-ryu was founded in 16th/17th century. Its belived that when Hideyoshi invaded Korea on his way to invading China Hideyoshi-ryu influenced in some Kroean styles.

Higo Ko-ryu is Naginatajutsu style. Ryuha was founded by Kamei Terushige. In that ryuha you may learn to use Naginata, Onaginata and Tachi.>

Post: Hengest:

This is great stuff setsu. Keep it coming. BTW, if you don’t mind me asking, what sources have you used for this?>

Post: setsu nin to:

Thanks Hengest! I have it in my papers where I create these ryuha list for years. Problem was becouse I never sort in any way that list. So I had milion of papers with informations on diferent ryuhas taken from diferent sources. Moust sources I found while I was talking with Senseis and in diferent books, nothing special, just when I read some good book, I wrote down infos about diferent ryuhas and some other interesting things. From internet I had printed two pages one is and other one I dont remember any more. I think that page was turned down.>

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Hikita Kage-ryu is Kenjutsu school, founded by Hikita Kagekane in 16th century. Hikita Kage-ryu is one of many styles developed from Kage-ryu.

Hikida-ryu is Kenjutsu style founded by Hikida Bungoro in 16th century.

Hioki-ryu is Kyujutsu style.

Hoen-ryu is school based on Kusari (chain) fighting. They use 1m – 1,5m long chain.

Hoki-ryu is Kenjutsu, Iaijutsu and Kyujutsu school. Style was founded by Hisayasu Katayama.>

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Hokusai-ryu is Jujutsu style founded in 18th century. Also, in these syle you may finde diferent healing methods.

Hokushin-Itto ryu is Kenjutsu style founded by Chiba Shusaku Shigemasa in begining of 19 century. Also style have fameous techniques Sword vs Naginata.

Honma Shinto-ryu is Kenjutsu style founded by Honma Masayoshi.

Hoshin-ryu is Naginatajutsu style. Style was developed in Kamakura period.

Hontai Takagi Yoshin-ryu is Jujutsu style. Fonded in 16 century by So Unryu.>

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Hontai Yoshin-ryu is Jujutsu style, founded by Takagi Setsuemon Shigtoshi in 17th century. In Hontai Yoshin-ryu you may learn Jujutsu, Kenjutsu and Bojutsu.

Hozan-ryu is Kendo style.

Hozo-in-ryu is Jujutsu, Kenjutsu and Yarijutsu style, founded by Buddhist monk Hozo-in Ei in 16th century.

Hozoin-ryu Takada-ha is Sojutsu style, founded by Hozoin Kakuzenbo In-ei in 16th century.

Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu is Kenjutsu style, founded by Miyamoto Musashi Fujiwara Genshin in 17th century. Style teach Kodachi, Odachi and Nitto. there is World known book of Musashi “Go Rini No Sho” or “Book of Five Rings”. There are some fameous techniques of bouth short and long sword in these ryuha.>

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Ichiden-ryu is Kenjutsu style, founded in begining of 19th century.

Ichien-ryu is Kenjutsu style. Shindo Munen Ryu was developed on Ichien-ryu techniques.

Ichinomya Ko-ryu is Iaijutsu style.

Iga-ryu is one of two moust fameous Ninjutsu styles (Koga-ryu is other one). Many famous Ninjutsu styles were developed from Iga-ryu. Also more than 30 diferent ryuhas come from Iga region.

Ikake-ryu is Jittejutsu and Keibojutsu style founded in 17th century.>

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Ippa-ryu was founded by Morooka Ippasai Kagehisa. Ippa-ryu was developed from Shinto-ryu.

Isshin-ryu is Kusarigamajutsu style, founded by Nen Ami Jion in 15th century. These Isshin-ryu is totaly diferent than Isshin-ryu Karate do.

Isshin Ko-ryu is Kusarigamajutsu style developed from Isshin-ryu.

Isogai-ryu is Jujutsu style founded by Chinese master Chen Yuan Bin in 17th century.

Itto-ryu is Kenjutsu style, founded by Ittosai Kagehisa in 16th century. Itto-ryu had strong influence on develop of Kendo and many other Kenjutsu ryuhas.>

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Itto Shoden Muto-ryu is Kenjutsu syle, founded by Yamaoka Tetsutaro Takayuki, more known as Tesshu in 19th century. Tesshu made Itto Shoden Muto-ryu from Ono-ha Itto-ryu and Nakanishi-ha Itto-ryu. He recived Menkyo Kaiden for bouth schools.

Iwakura-ryu is Suijutsu style. Style is based on combat while Samurai is swiming.

Jigen-ryu is style of Kenjutsu, founded by Togo Shigekura Bizen no Kami in 16th/17th century.

Jikiden-ryu is kenjutsu/Iaijusu style, founded by Onkeibo Chochen in 13th century.

Jikishin-Kage-ryu is Kenjutsu style founded by Yamada Heiazaemon in 16th century. Style is also know becouse of its Naginata techniques.>

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Jikishin-ryu is Jujutsu style, founded by Terada Kanemon. There is theory that Seijun Inoue change name of Jikishin-ryu Jujutsu in Jikishin-ryu Judo in 18 century, so much before Jigoro Kano created Kodokan Judo.

Juki-ryu is Jujutsu style, founded in 17th century.

Jukishin-ryu is Jujutsu style, developed by Terada Kanemon. Also known as Jikishin ryu.

Jushin-ryu is Iaijutsu style and it have nothing with gendai style Jushin-ryu Karate Do.

Kage-ryu is Battojutsu style, founded by Yamamoto Hisaya Masakatsu in 16th century.>

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Kanemaki-ryu is Kenjutsu style, founded by Jisai Michiie in the end of 16th century.

Kankai-ryu was Tosuijutsu style, developed for use in open sea. Style was found in 18th century.

Kan-ryu is Sojutsu style, full name is also Owari Kan-ryu. Style was founded by Tsuda Gonnojo Nobuyuki in 17th century. Also Kan-ryu or Owari Kan-ryu was one of moust important Sojutsu styles.

Kashima Shinden Jikishinkage-ryu is Kenjutsu style, founded by Matsumoto Bizen-no-Kami Naokatsu in 15th cenury.

Kashima Shinryu is Kenjutsu style, but also teach Sojutsu, Battojutsu, Bojutsu, Naginatajutsu and Jujutsu. Style is founded in 15th century.>

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Kashima Shinto-ryu is Kenjutsu, but also Battojutsu, Sojutsu, Naginatajutsu, Shurikenjutsu, Bojutsu, Jojutsu, Tantojutsu, Jujutsu, Kenpo… Kashima Shinto-ryu style was founded by Tsukahara Bokuden in 16th century.

Katayama Hoki-ryu is Iaijutsu style, founded by Katayama Hoki-no-Kami Hisayasu in 16th century.

Katori-ryu is Kenjutsu style, founded by Ienaoko in 14th century. Ienaoko first named style Katori-ryu, than he changed name to Katory Shinto-ryu (Shinto – pure sword) and in the end he changed name into Tenshin Shoden Katory Shinto-ryu (Tenshin Shoden – transmitted by the Gods).

Katori Shinto-ryu is Kenjutsu style, founded by Ienaoko in 14th century. Ienaoko first named style Katori-ryu, than he changed name to Katory Shinto-ryu (Shinto – pure sword) and in the end he changed name into Tenshin Shoden Katory Shinto-ryu (Tenshin Shoden – transmitted by the Gods).

Kijin-ryu is Kenjutsu style.>

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Kijin Chosui-ryu is Taijutsu style founded by Izumo Kanja Yoshiteru.

Kito-ryu is Kenjutsu style (also Bojutsu, Iaijutsu, Jujutsu and Kusarigama), founded by Ibaragi Sensai in 17th century.

Kobori-ryu is Tosuijutsu style, founded by Muraoka Idayu Masafumi in 18th century. These style is almoust unique today! Its based on techniques of swiming and combat in fast strerms.

Koga-ryu is one of moust fameous Ninjutsu styles. It come from area with same name. Many ninjutsu ryuhas were developed from Koga-ryu.

Kogen Itto-ryu is Kenjutsu style (also Naginatajutsu), founded by Henmi Tashiro Yoshitoshi in 18th century.>

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Kohgen Itto-ryu is Kenjutsu style with elements of Kendo and Iaido.

Kosho Shorei-ryu is Kenjutsu and Jujutsu style founded in 13th century. Style was developed in Shaka-In temple.

Koto-ryu is Koppojutsu style. Orginaly Koto-ryu come from China. Techniques are brought to Japan and organised by Sakagami Taro Kunishige in 16th century.

Koto-Eiri-ryu is Kenjutsu style. These style become fameous becouse of its multiple attack techniques.

Koyama-ryu is Kenjutsu style. Koyama-ryu come from Aizu clan.>

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Kukishin-ryu is Bujutsu style – Jujutsu, Bojutsu, Hanbojutsu, Kenjutsu, Sojutsu, Naginatajutsu, Juttejutsu… Kukishin-ryu was founded in the 12th century by Izumo Koshiro Terunobu.

Kuki Shinden-ryu is Happo Hikenjutsu style. It was founded by Izumo Kanja Yoshiteru in 14th century.

Kurama-ryu is Kenjutsu style, founded by Ono Shokan in 16th century.

Kushin-ryu is Jujutsu style, founded in 17th century by Inugami Nagakatsu.

Kyoshin Meichi-ryu is Kenjutsu style founded in 17th century. One of moust fameous practicioner of these school was Sokaku Takeda.>

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Kyosui-ryu is Kenjutsu style founded by Minowa Kurando

Kyushin-ryu is Yaryjutsu style, founded by Inugami Sakon Shogen Nagakatsu in 16th century.

Maniwa Nen-ryu is Kenjutsu style, founded by Soma Shiro Yoshimoto in 14th century. Soma Shiro Yoshimoto was also known as Nen Ami Jion.

Masaki-ryu is Manrikigusarijutsu, also Kusarigamajutsu, Juttejutsu and Shurikenjutsu. Masaki-ryu was founded by Dannoshin Toshimitsu Masaki in the end of 17th century.

Mijin-ryu is Kenjutsu style, founded by Negishi Tokaku.>

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Miura-ryu is jujutsu style founded in 18th century.

Mizoguchi-ha Itto-ryu is Kenjutsu style, founded by Mizoguchi Jingozaemon Masanori in 17th century. Style teach odachi and kodachi.

Mizuno Shinto-ryu is Iaijutsu style, founded by Kobayashi Koemon Toshinari in 17th century.

Morishige-ryu is Hojutsu style, founded in 17th century. Morishige-ryu is realy interesting ryu and it have great value historicaly, not just in techniques. Its realy interesting to see “Samurai” with rifle.

Mugai-ryu is Iaijutsu style founded by Tsuji Gattan Sakemochi in 17th century.>

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Mugen-ryu is Iaijutsu style.

Mukai-ryu is Suijutsu style. Style is based on combat while Samurai is swiming. Mukai-ryu was found during the Tokugawa shogunate.

Muraku-ryu is Kenjutsu and Iaijutsu style founded by Nagano Muraku Kinrosai.

Muji-Shin-Jen-ryu is Kenjutsu style founded by Odagiri Sekiei. Odagiri Sekiei didnt practiced Muji-Shin-Jen-ryu as art of killing, he practiced it as art of developing personal moral, so thats why Muji-Shin-Jen-ryu was one of the pionirs of Kendo.

Muso Jikiden Eishen-ryu is Iaijutsu style, founded by Hayashizaki Jinsuke Shigenobu in the end of 16th century.>

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Mujushinken-ryu is Kenjutsu school which was known as Shimpo (mind) Kenjutsu. Becouse of spiritular and mental aspect that was teached in school.

Muso Shinden-ryu is Iaijutsu style, founded by Hayashizaki Jinsuke Shigenobu and Nakayama Hakudo (Hiromichi) in end of 16th century.

Muteki-ryu is Kenjutsu and Jojutsu style, founded by Renshin Yamauchi. Development of style was strong influenced with Zen and Taoism.

Nagao-ryu was Jujutsu style, founded by Nagao Kenmotsu in 17th century.

Nakamura-ryu is Iaijutsu style, founded by Nakamura Taizaburo.>

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Nakanishi-ha Itto-ryu was founded in 17th century by Nakanishi Fell.

Negishi-ryu is Shurikenjutsu style, founded by Negishi Shorei. Style is specifec becouse they used very small shurikens. They throw it in bouth Chokudaho (direct) and Hantendaho (half roteted) way.

Nen-ryu is bujutsu style founded by Nen Yamato Jion.

Nikaido-ryu is Kenjutsu style, founded in 17th century by Matsuyama Mondo.

Nito-ryu is Kenjutsu style with specific two sword techniques.>

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Ogasawara-ryu is Yabusame style, Kyujutsu also. Its more than 800 years old style.

Oguri-ryu is Jujutsu style, founded by Oguri Niemon founded in 17th century.

Oishi Shinkage-ryu is Kendo style founded by Oishi Susumu in begining of 19th century.

Omori-ryu is Iaijutsu/Kenjutsu style founded by Omori Azaemon Masamitsu.

Ono-ha Itto-ryu is Kenjutsu style, founded by Ono Jirouemon Tadaaki in 17th century.>

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Otsuki-ryu was founded by Otsuki Yutaka.

Owari Kan-ryu is Sojutsu style, and its also known under name Kan-ryu. Style was founded by Tsuda Gonnojo Nobuyuki in 17th century. Owari Kan-ryu or Kan-ryu was one of moust important Sojutsu styles

Ryoishinto-ryu is Jujutsu/Kenjutsu style, founded by Fukono Shichiroemon in 17th century. Style was developed from Kito-ryu. Style is also known as Fukono-ryu.

Sakuri-ha Kohgen Itto-ryu is Kenjutsu style.

Sekiguchi Shinshin-ryu is Jujutsu, also Iaijutsu/Kenjutsu style founded by Sekiguchi Yarokuemon Ujimune in 17th century>

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Sekiguchi-ryu is Jujutsu, also Iaijutsu/Kenjutsu style founded by Sekiguchi Yarokuemon Ujimune in 17th century. Ful name of school is Sekiguchi Shinshin-ryu.

Seni-ryu is Naginatajutsu style.

Shibukawa-ryu is Jujutsu style founded by Shibukawa Bangoro.

Shigenobu-ryu is Iaijutsu style also known as Hayashizaki-ryu, Shimmei Muso-ryu, Shin Muso Hayashizaki-ryu. Style was found by Hayashizaki Jinsuke Shigenobu in 16th century.

Shimmei Muso-ryu is Iaijutsu style, also known as Hayashizaki-ryu, Shigenobu-ryu, Shin Muso Hayashizaki-ryu. Style was found by Hayashizaki Jinsuke Shigenobu in 16th century.>

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Shin Muso Hayashizaki-ryu is Iaijutsu style, also known as Hayashizaki-ryu, Shimmei Muso-ryu, Shigenobu-ryu. Style was found by Hayashizaki Jinsuke Shigenobu in 16th century.

Shinden Fudo-ryu is Taijutsu style, founded by Genpachiro Tameyoshi in 12th century (?).

Shinden-ryu is Suijutsu style, based on techniques of long distances swimming.

Shindo Munen-ryu is Iaijutsu style. Its diferent than gendai Shindo Munen-ryu Kendo style.

Shindo Muso-ryu is Kenjutsu and Jojutsu style founded by Muso Gonnosuke.>

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Shingen-ryu is Kenjutsu style founded in 16th century.

Shingyoto-ryu is Kenjutsu style founded by Iba Josuiken Hideaki in 17th century. Also this is Iaijutsu and Naginatajutsu style.

Shinkage Ichen-ryu is Kenjutsu style.

Shinkage Itto-ryu is Kenjutsu style developed from Shinkage-ryu and Itto-ryu.

Shinkage-ryu is Kenjutsu style, also Iaijutau, Jujutsu and Yarijutsu style. Style is founded in 16th century by Kami Izumi Ise no Kami Fujiwara no Nobutsuna.>

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Shinkan-ryu is Kenjutsu syle founded by Okuyama Tadenobu.

Shinkeito-ryu is Kenjutsu style, founded by Matsuura Seizan in 18th century.

Shinmuso Hayashizaki-ryu is Battojutsu style founded by Hayashizaki Jinsuke Shigenobu in 16th century.

Shin-No-Shindo-ryu is Jujutsu style developed in 16th century. Tenshin Shinyo-ryu was developed from Shin-No-Shindo-ryu.

Shin Riaku Heiho was founded by Setaro Tanaka.>

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Shin Sekiguchi-ryu is Kenjutsu style, also its iaijutsu and Jujutsu style.

Shin Shin Sekiguchi-ryu is Iaijutsu style, also Kenjutsu and Jujutsu. Its diferent style than Shin Sekiguchi-ryu.

Shin Tamiya-ryu is Kenjutsu and Iaijutsu style, founded by Tamiya Heibei Shigemasa.

Shinto Muso-ryu is Jojutsu style founded by Muso Gonnosuke Katsuyoshi in 17th century. Shinto Muso-ryu is also Kenjutsu style.

Shinto Yoshi-ryu is Jujutsu style founded by Shiro-Yoshitoki Akiyama.>

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Shirai-ryu is Shurikenjutsu style.

Shojitsu Kenri Kataichi-ryu Battojutsu style founded by Imaeda Sachu Ryodai in 17th century. Shojitsu Kenri Kataichi-ryu is also Kenjutsu and Jojutsu style.

Soken-ryu is Kyudo style.

Sosuishi-ryu is Jujutsu style founded by Fugatami Hannosuke Mansanori in 17th century.

Sosuishitsu-ryu is Jujutsu style founded by Futagami Hannosuke in 17th century. Sosuishitsu-ryu is also Iaijutsu style.>

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Suifu-ryu is Suijutsu style developed for swiming and combat in fast stearms

Suio-ryu is Kenjutsu style founded by Mima Yoichizaemon Kagenobu in 17th century. Suio-ryu is also Iaijutsu and Kenpo (as sword art), Naginatajutsu, Kogusokujutsu style.

Taisha-ryu is Kenjutsu style founded by Marume Kurando in begining of 17th century.

Takagi Yoshin-ryu is jujutsu style founded in 17th century by Takagi Oriemon Shigenobu.

Takeda-ryu is Aiki style, developed from Daito-ryu Aiki Jujutsu.>

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Takenouchi-ryu is Jujutsu style, founded by Takenouchi Chunagon Daijo Hisamori in 16th century. Style also teach Kenjutsu, Iaijutsu, Tantojutsu, Bojutsu, Jojutsu, Naginatajutsu…

Tamita-ryu is Kenjutsu style.

Tamiya-ryu is Iaijutsu style founded by Tamiya Heibei Narimasa in 16th century.

Taneda-ryu is Yarijutsu style, founded by Taneda Jubei in 17th century.

Tatsumi-ryu heiho is Kenjutsu style founded by Tatsumi Sankyo in 16th century. Its also Iaijutsu, Jujutsu, Bojutsu, Sojutsu… style.>

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Teishin-ryu is Kenjutsu and Jujutsu style founded by Terama Heiazaemon.

Tendo-ryu is Naginatajutsu style Saito Hangan Denkibo Katsuhide in 16th century. Style also teach Kenjutsu, Jojutsu and Kusarigamajutsu.

Tenjin-Shinyo-ryu is Jujutsu style, founded by Mataemo Minamoto no Masatari in 19th century.

Tenshin Shoden Katory Shinto-ryu is Kenjutsu style, founded by Ienaoko in 14th century. Ienaoko first named style Katori-ryu, than he changed name to Katory Shinto-ryu (Shinto – pure sword) and in the end he changed name into Tenshin Shoden Katory Shinto-ryu (Tenshin Shoden – transmitted by the Gods).

Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto-ryu heiho is Kenjutsu style, founded by Iizasa Choisai Ienao (Ienaoko) in 15th century… diferent between Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto-ryu and Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto-ryu heiho is just in name. Some schools use “heiho”, some not.>

Post: Fa Jing:

where in the world are you getting all those setsu?>

Post: Wilhelm von Wänkensteïn:

He is setsu! Question him not :mrgreen:

Just a tad more seriously, setsu’s knowledge of Japanese martial arts is seriously encyclopaedic – if he doesn’t have it in his head, he probably has it in that massive library of his :D>

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Well its not so massive library but I have all that list on my papers :lol: and some in my head. Actualy I had all that list on milion diferent papers all massed up and than I decide to put it all together on one list. Well these here is moust of these list, there are more Ninjutsu ryus (I already post some of them here on these Koryu list), Gendai ryus and Karate ryus.
From internet I may recomande two pages. Aikido Journal and Mike and Diane Skoss’s there are milion of exelent articles on these two pages, you may finde there many exelent infos about diferent styles.>

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Tenshin Sho-ryu is Kenjutsu style founded by Icchu Baichu.

Tento-ryu is diferent (wrong) name for Tendo-ryu.

Toda-ha Buko-ryu is Naginatajutsu style, founded by Toda Seigen in 16th century. Toda-ha Buko-ryu is also Bojutsu, Kenjutsu, Kusarigamajutsu and Sojutsu style.

Toda-ryu is Kenjutsu style. Diferent weapons made these style fameous. Some of weapon sryle that Toda-ryu teach are Suntetsujutsu, Bojutsu, Hanbojutsu, Kusarijutsu, Tenouchijutsu…

Togakure-ryu is Ninpo or Ninjutsu style, founded by Daisuke Nishina – Togakure in 13th (?) century.>

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Toyama-ryu is Battojutsu style, founded by Toyama Rikugun Gakko.

Tsuda Kan-ryu is just diferent name for style known as Owari Kan-ryu or just Kan-ryu. Style was founded by Tsuda Gonnojo Nobuyuki in 17th century.

Tsutsumi-ryu is Jujutsu style.

Uchida-ryu is Tanjojutsu style founded by Uchida Ryohei in 19th century.

Yagyu Seigo-ryu is Battojutsu style, founded by Nagaoka Torei Fusashige in 17th century.>

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Yagyu-ryu is Jujutsu style.

Yagyu Shingan-ryu is Taijutsu style founded by Araki Mataemon in 17th century. Yagyu Shingan-ryu is also Bojutsu, Kenjutsu, Iaijutsu and Naginata jutsu style.

Yagyu Shinkage-ryu is Kenjutsu style, founded by Yagyu Sekishusai Munetoshi in 16th century.

Yamaga-ryu is Kenjutsu and jujutsu style founded by Yamaga Soko in 17th century.

Yamaguchi Itto-ryu is Kenjutsu style founded by Yamaguchi Hajime.>

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Yamato-ryu is Kyujutsu style founded by Morikawa Kozan in 17th century.

Yanagi-ryu is Jujutsu style founded in 18th century. Its diferent style than Gendai Yanagi-ryu.

Yo-ryu is Hojutsu style.

Yoshin-ryu is Naginatajutsu style, founded by Akiyama Shirobei Yoshitoki in 17th century. Yoshin-ryu is also Bojutsu, Sojutsu and Kusarigamajutsu style.

Yoshioka-ryu is Iaijutsu style founded by Yoshioka Kenpo Naotsuna.>

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the end

Well that was my short Koryu list. Actualy I have some more Ninjutsu styles so I will add tham before I start posting Karate and other Gendai styles.>

Post: Hengest:

I didn’t think there was going to be an end! :D

Great work setsu. I look forward to the other lists.>

Post: bamboo:

Like Hengest, I just assumed the list would keep going as long as I kept looking!


Great job my friend, you single handedly put together one of the best lists available, thank you very much.


Post: setsu nin to:

Thankg guys!
Now I am back and I will start with Ninjutsu list>


long time no see Setsu.>

Post: setsu nin to:


Well yes, I wasnt here for some time…

Its nice to be back!>

Post: setsu nin to:

Some of Ninjutsu ryuhas that should be in these list are already in Koryu list, so you may finde tham there. If you whant these ryuhas in Ninjutsu list too, pls PM me. Also many of these ryus on these list are not generaly Ninjutsu styles, but they are part of Ninjutsu, have elements of Ninjutsu teaching or part of Ninjutsu schools. Also I know that some “Ninjas” are very sensitive when we talk about regions so I will try to put name of region or area where style was found.>

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Akiba-ryu was founded by Hachisuke Koroku Masakatsu in Aichi district. Akiba-ryu is also known under name Ichizen-Ryu.

Arima-ryu is Kenjutsu style founded by Arima Yamato no Kami Kiminobu in 16th century. Arima-ryu come from Iga region.

Bizen-ryu was founded in Okayama province.

Byaku-ryu was founded in Koga region. Many people put together by mistake these ryu and Hatsumi becouse of his Byakuryu name that was given to him by Takamatsu.

Echizen-ryu was founded in Echizen (Toyama), province by Oda Nobunagas Iga Ninjas.>

Post: Gong||Jau:

Once again Setsu proves he’s a living encyclopedia :mrgreen:. Seriously, thanks for all the work you’ve put into this, and it’s nice to see you back.>

Post: setsu nin to:

Well I wouldnt call myself living encyclopedia, but I am writting one encyclopedia just for me :lol:>

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Fujiwara-ryu was founded in Koga region. Its one of moust fameous Hojojutsu styles.

Fukii-ryu come from Iga region.

Fukushima-ryu was founded by Nojirijiro Jirouemon Naramisa in Shimano region.

Fuma-ryu was founded by Fuma Kotaro in Kanagawa area. Fuma-ryu is specialized in guerilla war.

Gikan-ryu was founded by Sonyu Hangan Gikanbo in 16th century. Today art is under Bujinkan.>

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Haguro-ryu was founded in Yamagata area by Yamabushis from the Haguro-mountains.

Hakuun-ryu was founded by Hakuun Doshi in 12th century. Hakuun-ryu come from Iga region.

Hanbe-ryu come from Iga region.

Hata-ryu come from Iga region.

Hattori-ryu come from Iga region. Hattori-ryu was found by Hanzo Hattori in 16th century.>

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Hiryu-ryu come from Koga region.

Ibuki-ryu come from Iga region.

Ichizen-Ryu was founded by Hachisuke Koroku Masakatsu in Aichi district. Ichizen-Ryu is also known as Akiba-ryu.

Iida-ryu come from Iga region.

Ise-ryu come from Iga region. Style was founded by Kagura Ise.>

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Ishitani-ryu come from Iga region.

Isshu-ryu come from Koga region.

Izumo-ryu is Koppojutsu style which come from Iga region. Izumo-ryu was called Hon Tai Gyokushin-ryu Koppojutsu before Suzuki Daizentaroo Chikamasa didnt change name to Izumo-ryu.

Kadono-ryu come from Iga region.

Kaji-ryu was founded by Kaji Ominokami Kagehide and was influenced by Hattori-ryu from Iga region.>

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Kanbe-ryu come from Iga region.

Kaneko-ryu also come from Iga region. Also I noticed that some people mix these sryle with Kanemaki-ryu which is Kenjutsu style.

Kashiwabara-ryu come from Iga region.

Kataoka-ryu come from Iga region.

Kawachi Yon Tengu-ryu come from Koga region, founded by Tachibana Hachi.>


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