Kenjutsu vs Kendo: Old Forum Topic

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Kenjutsu vs Kendo: Old Forum Topic
Original Poster: setsu nin to
Forum: Japanese Martial Arts
Posted On: 13-03-2004, 14:53

Orginal Post: setsu nin to: Kenjutsu vs Kendo

PULL:
Which one do you like more?
Kenjutsu 100% [ 7  
Kendo 0% [ 0  
Total Votes : 7
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setsu nin to
First to say that its not thread “which one is better”.

I am just interesting which one do you like more and why?

Thanks
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Bushi
My training in Kenjutsu is limited at best. I understand close relationship b/w it and Jujutsu. I think it is an Awesome art with even less instructors than Jujutsu. As far as Kendo, I have never trained in it. I would not be opposed to trying it, but once again instruction is scarce. I think Kenjutsu does not serve a Bujutsu purpose today, it has a more BUDO function. I do feel it helps your Jujutsu, but that is about it. Now, Kendo seems to serve its true purpose as Budo and from what I hear helps its practitioners find Mushin better than most arts…Just my humble Opinion.
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setsu nin to
I like more Kenjutsu too, which doesnt mean that I dont respect Kendo. I realy respect Kendo, but I just like more Kenjutsu.

Advantage of Kendo was that they used safety equipment (men, mo, tare, kote…) and shinai which is more “soft” than boken. But today you may finde much more “soft” swords for practicing than shinai is so that you even dont need any more safety equipment. So there is no more need for all that safety equipment in “sparings” today.

Also in Kenjutsu you use more real sword than in Kendo, which I prefer more.

In my opinion problem of Kendo is that you have to use strict techniques and in Kenjutsu you are free to improvise, also Kendo is more limited with techniques that Kenjutsu.

I dont say that Kendo is not good or anything like that, I just say that I prefere Kenjutsu.
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confusingDot
i’ve always liked sword fighting, and want to take fencing, or something else with sword play. is there any style which which they might incorporate kicks, and other forms of attack with the fighting, and a style in which the sword is straight so that there can be stabs, AND slashes. so far i’ve been also thinking about kali, or other filipino mas because the sword or knife can easily be switched with the escrima stick, but it seems as though they still odn’t even use alot of stabbing. so yeah, any other styles other then this and kenjutsu, and kendo that i should look into?
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bamboo
I would prefer any style of kenjutsu to kendo just because of the art aspect. I love the idea a nice parry followed by a full cut.

I have have only had the chance to watch kendo competition from Japan but find that its just too “one minded”: ie, hold the shinai at your centre and attack ,attack attack! IMHO, kenjutsu is more about reading attacker and countering, thus making it much more of a mental endeavor.

Maybe its the aikidoka in me but I love the idea of whoever attacks first loses.

-bamboo
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setsu nin to
confusingDot

You may try to finde some good ryuha in your area. There you may finde hand to hand combat and sword art in same place. But there is not kicking and punching while you use sword. Its moust becouse of bilance. Also you will learn how to use knife too. Try to finde some good Dojo. Good luck!
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setsu nin to
bamboo

I have have only had the chance to watch kendo competition from Japan but find that its just too “one minded”: ie, hold the shinai at your centre and attack ,attack attack! IMHO,

Well if you ever try Kendo I belive you will change your opinion. Kendo is much more than just hold the shinai at your centre and attack ,attack attack . Actualy just attack ,attack attack is best way to lose.
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bamboo
Setsu, As you, said “if I ever try it”. I will be this weekend at one of the local clubs. Hopefully it will change my mind.

-bamboo
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setsu nin to
bamboo

Well you get me wrong, when I said “try” I mean six months to one year, not next weekend.

I am shure that you would like it.
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bamboo
Setsu: It’ll be for at least a half year, you can’t get a taste of anithing without at least 6 monthes of practice . I focus most of my free time on one art but want to see a different application of the sword other than aikiken. As you surely know, aikiken is used primarly to teach mai-ai and tai-sabaki and not to become a swordsmen.

My only concern is the competition, I’m just not a very competitive person and don’t want to get sucked into tournements. I have neither the time or inclination to do so. Do any of you kendo guys/ladies out there have any advice for a first timer?

-bamboo
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setsu nin to
bamboo

Dont worry about first day in Kendo. You wont need any Kendo equipment for some time, only boken maybe. Dont buy all equipment first ask could you rent it and see will you continue to practice Kendo. And what is real important dont forget on rituals. Bows and things like that. Its only thing that you need as begginer.
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jlambvo
Kenjutsu will inherentlly have so much more depth than kendo. Like bushi said, you are made aware of how the kenjutsu works with your other weapons (hopefully), and there are important factors in a real sword art that go by the wayside in sports–big thing that comes to mind is that cutting your oponent doesn’t necessarily mean they will stop, you must maintain control of the space and the opponent. That and angling, assumption of multiple opponents, etc.

Kenjutsu provides much more realistic lessons for controlling distance and angling than kendo would, and using it with jujutsu (and knife work) works both ways… you should gain an awareness of how weapons COULD come into play in a seemingly unarmed fight: concealed knives, found objects (sword evasion and counters apply to pretty much any swung object).
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li_siao_lung
Ei confusingDOT,,,,,,,,,,,,

Kenjutsu is better with 9 basic attacks than Kendo which has only 4. However, both require rigid training and focused mindsets as well. I have trained in both and so I have more or less a view in it, Kenjutsu is better in my opinion. Kenjutsu requires focused and dedicated moves while kendo requires snappy moves as its form.
Arnis(or kali if you prefer) is a wonderful martial art. Check out kombatan.org also for more info. In Kali, you translate the swords and knives moves to sticks and it stops at that. But in Kombatan, you add mano-mano. It goes like this: swords&knives–>cane sticks–>hand-to-hand combat. So, it has this “FLOW” tyhat other martial arts claim but are not evident.
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setsu nin to
li_siao_lung

How long did you study Kenjutsu? What school?
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