Kenjutsu

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Kenjutsu
Original Poster: angryrocker4
Forum: Japanese Martial Arts
Posted On: 13-10-2006, 15:47

Orginal Post: angryrocker4: Ok, Im needin some help finding links to quality info on kenjutsu, Im doin some studying but all Im comin up with is ex-power ranger sites.

Post: bamboo:

Look up such names as -

Shindo muso ryu
katori shinto ryu
kashima shinto ryu
ona-ha ito ryu
niten ryu

or wait for hengest or setsu to post some names.

-bamboo>

Post: NathanRahl:

[quote=angryrocker4 Ok, Im needin some help finding links to quality info on kenjutsu, Im doin some studying but all Im comin up with is ex-power ranger sites.[/quote 

Check out a book called The Hagakure, it will teach you quite a bit about how to present yourself when in a combat situation.

If your looking for such things as technical advice on movements, proper cutting techniques, timing, find yourself a good teacher.

Also, check out a small book written by Yagyu Munenori Called “The Book of Family Traditions of the Art of War” I am sure you have already read the book of five rings. Every Tom Dick and Harry who wants to be a swordsman has. This book is a little more clear, and expands upon some things Musashi only touched upon, as well as some things he did not cover. It’s a very good book actually.

Munenori was considered by some to be as good as Musashi, and he actually did kill seven men once single handedly, and event which was noted and recorded by many witnesses. You will find his philosophy in many things is quite similiar to Musashi’s, seeing as wisdom universal, this makes sense.

Don’t say I never helped you kid. Oh, and if your an old guy, sorry about the kid part, but old or young, your still a kid when it comes to the sword, but if you realize that, and are without ego, you won’t be one for long. Later ;)>

Post: angryrocker4:

You really shouldn’t reply to threads ages old, and no you didnt help a bit. Now if you want to know about combat, feel free to ask me anything, but I dont want to hear it until you’ve been shot or stabbed or seen your friends blown up. And quit with the philosophy BS, if you do, others wont think you’re a prick. Later :wink:>

Post: Robert_RedBeard:

Well, Hagakure is an interesting read.

I do not know about kenjutsu specifically. But there are many good books.

www.thearma.org has a huge amount of Sword play information. But it is European, not Asian swordplay.

What little I have learned I learned from RBWI instructors and the ARMA.

They have pictures and everything.>

Post: Robert_RedBeard:

Here are some book names:

Old Sword Play by Alfred Hutton

Cold Steel: A Practical Treatise on the Saber By Alfred Hutton

Medieval Swordsmanship by John Clements

Renaissance Swordsmanship By John Clements

I’ll see about putting these on my tracker. The bulk of the kendo stuff I have is on video. It would take time to put up on youtube or google.>

Post: setsu nin to:

Don’t say I never helped you kid. Oh, and if your an old guy, sorry about the kid part, but old or young, your still a kid when it comes to the sword, but if you realize that, and are without ego, you won’t be one for long. Later :wink:

Great words, that make me so wise that I just shit my pants and cant stop puking. Now :roll:

Hagakure, GRNS, Art of War and all other interesting books I will recommend to anyone no matter martial artist or not, but if you dont practice and practice and practice in dojo you will never learn kenjutsu or any other style.>

Post: Robert_RedBeard:

I did find several Kenjutsu videos in my archive.

But they are an hour or more long. I don’t know if I can upload that to google video. Some of it is historical footage.

The best video archive I have is in french. So that may cause problems.

Maybe I can cut it into bite sized chunks. But that’s a lot of work.

I just really find the footage interesting. I like to see how other people do stuff.>

Post: setsu nin to:

angryrocker4

Sorry I didnt noticed this thread before. If its any help here are few sites that you can get some quality information about Japanese martial arts general, kenjutsu and sword.

http://www.koryubooks.com/
Its general about traditional Japanese martial arts. Here you will find ryu list with description of many styles and many great articles.

http://www.furyu.com/
Here you may find different articles about Japanese martial arts.

http://www.samurai-archives.com/
Here you may find everything, from different maps, list of all Japanese emperorsÂ… so its most stuff from culture, history, traditionÂ…

http://pages.prodigy.net/tlbuck/sword.htm
Here you may find some interesting info about sword.

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Pagoda/8187/
Here you will find some info about kenjutsu, iaiÂ…

http://www.jidai.jp/
Â…and some more about sword.

I know its not useful as advice about ego, but I gave my best.>

Post: setsu nin to:

Robert_RedBeard

It would be great that you upload these videos on google. Please try to do it if you don’t find it as problem.

BTW, I like first vid in your signature.
:lol:>

Post: Robert_RedBeard:

I’ll see what I have time to do this weekend.

And Yes, she’s a hotty. With a sword. :twisted:>

Post: angryrocker4:

I’ve been long done with the studying I was doing, but thanks setsu.>

Post: opariser1001:

[quote=NathanRahl 
Don’t say I never helped you kid. Oh, and if your an old guy, sorry about the kid part, but old or young, your still a kid when it comes to the sword, but if you realize that, and are without ego, you won’t be one for long. Later ;)[/quote 

wow….Nathan….wow….you really don’t know anything about forums. it’s also pretty clear that though you go on and on about others’ egos, you have a rather big one yourself. who tries to help someone and then says things like “don’t say i never helped you kid” ? honestly dude, maybe if you helped with current threads and then didn’t demand a thank you immediately, people would like you…and then actually thank you of their own accord.[/b >

Post: Robert_RedBeard:

Well, so far, if anyone is interested.

Cold Steel by Alfred Hutton

Old Sword Play by Alfred Hutton

Working on some of the video.

Okay, here’s the video.

Christian_Tissier_-_Bokken_AikiKen_Kenjutsu>

Post: bamboo:

Hey Robert,

When watching Christian Tissier, try to look more at his footwork than his blade. His footwork, specifically the subtle shifting of his centre and weight make his techinique (especially open hand) quite graceful and powerfull.

Take care,

bamboo>

Post: NathanRahl:

[quote=angryrocker4 You really shouldn’t reply to threads ages old, and no you didnt help a bit. Now if you want to know about combat, feel free to ask me anything, but I dont want to hear it until you’ve been shot or stabbed or seen your friends blown up. And quit with the philosophy BS, if you do, others wont think you’re a prick. Later :wink:[/quote 

Actually I have been shot, and stabbed, and cut, amazing what you can find out about people uif you ask them. I think it’s pathetic you would bring such a thing up. Being wounded don’t mean much, but if you think it doe’s, so be it. I could care less, just some scar tissue to me ;)

I doubt anyone could help you, and as for combat, you are of no use to me in that mein. You have offered me no keen advice, and are in fact veryhostile, and antagonistic.

Yes, I am sure you got your scars in war, or some annonymous street fight that you are just edging to tell us all about. Save it kid, I have heard all the BS before, your no more a warrior then I am a milk man.>

Post: NathanRahl:

[quote=angryrocker4 I’ve been long done with the studying I was doing, but thanks setsu.[/quote 

You’ve been long done studying what you are doing, I think that’s sad angry, even a mastr continues to study, what an ego.>

Post: Robert_RedBeard:

[quote=bamboo Hey Robert,

When watching Christian Tissier, try to look more at his footwork than his blade. His footwork, specifically the subtle shifting of his centre and weight make his techinique (especially open hand) quite graceful and powerfull.

Take care,

bamboo[/quote 

That was one of the things I was looking at.

I was also watching the movement of his elbows as he swung. And how the sword itself moved.

I have a bunch of stuff on this. But no instructor past some basics. enough to cut things without cutting myself to badly.

I have some stories about giving and getting bruises with a bokken though.

I used to swing them with anyone when I was younger. Young and stupid, you know. But I learned a lot from being young and stupid.>

Post: NathanRahl:

[quote=opariser1001 [quote=NathanRahl 
Don’t say I never helped you kid. Oh, and if your an old guy, sorry about the kid part, but old or young, your still a kid when it comes to the sword, but if you realize that, and are without ego, you won’t be one for long. Later ;)[/quote 

wow….Nathan….wow….you really don’t know anything about forums. it’s also pretty clear that though you go on and on about others’ egos, you have a rather big one yourself. who tries to help someone and then says things like “don’t say i never helped you kid” ? honestly dude, maybe if you helped with current threads and then didn’t demand a thank you immediately, people would like you…and then actually thank you of their own accord.[/b [/quote 

Well I don’t see any really interesting current threads to respond to. Don’t know much about forums, guess not, whch is a good thing. To know all your talking about would not be good I do not think, if you know what I mean ;)

I have a lot to say, see a thread, I don’t look at the date, just want to contribute. I don’t see where the age matters, not if I add something new and interesting. Just a lot of people knit picking because one Bamboo has gotten into a pissing contest and singled me out. It never amazes ceses to amaze how a person can say anything, and if they do it with a sweet voice and a smile on their face, people just laugh and accept it.

As for the helpd you kid part, it was a joke. Pehaps if you has read the thread where the kid said “You have never helped me” you would get it. To gung ho on assassinating my character when you don’t know anything about me. And of course now I wno’t tell you anything, because I think, and rightly so, that you would just use whatever I say to attack me, which is all folks have ben doing.

I see half a dozen trolls, calling me a troll and find it amusing they can claim anonymity and innocence because they are part of a mob, or a majority.

If you want me to stop annoying me, then stop trolling. Oryou could just not read my posts, or respond to them, even better. Ah well, good bye all you lovers of negative energy.>

Post: angryrocker4:

Nathan,
I dont glorify the things I’ve done and been through. I highly doubt you have even seen two dogs humping much less been in any serious situations, cause if you had, you would realise how much you are missing the obvious point, being proud of scars is not it by the way. Even if you have, I’m surprised someone would even think of wasting the bullet.

I’m hostile and antagonistic? Look at the screenname, that doesnt give you a clue? Of course I’m not going to offer you any advise, cause I really do not want to contribute in any way to the chance of your possible procreation and thus the further de-evolution of man.

Why do you insist on putting what you want to hear, into what is being said? Just because I’m done with the research I was doing that means I’m done studying my arts? Does having your ass cheeks around your head distort the information being processed?

Drop your arrogance, stop adding in meaning not present, and your ego and maybe people will be more open.>

Post: NathanRahl:

[quote=angryrocker4 Nathan,
I dont glorify the things I’ve done and been through. I highly doubt you have even seen two dogs humping much less been in any serious situations, cause if you had, you would realise how much you are missing the obvious point, being proud of scars is not it by the way. Even if you have, I’m surprised someone would even think of wasting the bullet.

I’m hostile and antagonistic? Look at the screenname, that doesnt give you a clue? Of course I’m not going to offer you any advise, cause I really do not want to contribute in any way to the chance of your possible procreation and thus the further de-evolution of man.

Why do you insist on putting what you want to hear, into what is being said? Just because I’m done with the research I was doing that means I’m done studying my arts? Does having your ass cheeks around your head distort the information being processed?

Drop your arrogance, stop adding in meaning not present, and your ego and maybe people will be more open.[/quote 

Those were your own words “I am done with studying.” If you don’t want to be misunderstood, in the future you should likely clarify more when you speak. Don’t try and change the meaning or re-explain yourself after the words are said, even I am not doing such a punk thing. You say it, you own it sport, later ;)>

Post: angryrocker4:

There you go again ass hat. You cant even quote me correctly. What you think I meant and what I wrote has two different meanings. You’re about as useful as a pimple on the ass.>

Post: setsu nin to:

Robert_RedBeard

Thanks for shearing great stuff!!!>

Post: Bloodybirds:

I just answered with three posts on Nathan’s misconceptions of Chinese sword techniques on another forum on the Chinese war sword. Nathan, on the other forum, I spoke of both my sword experience and my overall experience. Given your propensity to criticize and hold everyone in contempt, before continuing please enlighten us with your vast martial arts, war, and real sword experience. If it is really that extensive, then maybe we can respond respectfully and pay you the courtesy you seem is not owed to the rest of us. Just like Wushu sword technique bears no resemblance to real martial Chinese traditional sword technique, if you criticize the experience of Angry Rocket, Samurai, etc. then to hold validity hypothetical reasoning dictates that you disclose your vast experience and the sources/teachers therein. Without stating your lineage, your experience, and your creditability, your critiques are not worthwhile. And oh, everyone on here knows mine and at least 4 on here have trained or been taught by me. I can give you my lineage without hesitation, but that would be redundant on these forums.>

Post: angryrocker4:

Everyone keeps callin me angry rocket……. :(>

Post: Robert_RedBeard:

LOL

Angry Rocket.

That’s a good one.

Or Rocker as in the kinda chair.

LOL

Too funny.

We just got done chopping some pumpkins.

New sword works okay though I am rusty.>

Post: NathanRahl:

[quote=Bloodybirds I just answered with three posts on Nathan’s misconceptions of Chinese sword techniques on another forum on the Chinese war sword. Nathan, on the other forum, I spoke of both my sword experience and my overall experience. Given your propensity to criticize and hold everyone in contempt, before continuing please enlighten us with your vast martial arts, war, and real sword experience. If it is really that extensive, then maybe we can respond respectfully and pay you the courtesy you seem is not owed to the rest of us. Just like Wushu sword technique bears no resemblance to real martial Chinese traditional sword technique, if you criticize the experience of Angry Rocket, Samurai, etc. then to hold validity hypothetical reasoning dictates that you disclose your vast experience and the sources/teachers therein. Without stating your lineage, your experience, and your creditability, your critiques are not worthwhile. And oh, everyone on here knows mine and at least 4 on here have trained or been taught by me. I can give you my lineage without hesitation, but that would be redundant on these forums.[/quote 

:roll: If I honestly cared I would share, but I realy don’t. Trying to prove things to others is a catch 22, even if you win, you loose. Enjoy your fame and glory, what little of it you have. What about yuor 30 yars of practicing with the Japanese sword. You said you had, how old are you anyhow kid? Are you now going to say that you made a typo in that regard. I make them all the time, no bother. ;)>

Post: angryrocker4:

You really cant read, can you? You’re too unoriginal to make up a screenname and steal a character from a book, but can’t read? Wash up, you have poo dripping from your ears.>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Nathan, must have me mistaken with Angry…I have never claimed to know kenjitsu or Japanese sword…about as much as you know about Chinese sword technique.>

Post: Bloodybirds:

I have told you enough about me without you reciprocating….you can now wonder about my skills and my age…..in the art and in life…..I hve no doubt that Samurai, Angry, and others of the Japanese practice are laughing at you hysterically as you yell and scream but you have nothing underneath as you keep being the artful dodger…no excuses, for the 5th time, what is your official background and heritage?>

Post: angryrocker4:

Even I have never claimed 30 years of sword mastery, see, you’re making stuff up, as I have said.>

Post: Robert_RedBeard:

Hey, you guys are more than welcome.

I have to put together some of the other stuff but I will pretty soon.

I have been working on editing our pumpkin chop today.

VIDEO COMING SOON!>

Post: NathanRahl:

[quote=Bloodybirds I have told you enough about me without you reciprocating….you can now wonder about my skills and my age…..in the art and in life…..I hve no doubt that Samurai, Angry, and others of the Japanese practice are laughing at you hysterically as you yell and scream but you have nothing underneath as you keep being the artful dodger…no excuses, for the 5th time, what is your official background and heritage?[/quote 

!!!!!!Not an artful dodger, I just don’t talk about or share such information with total strangers. And honestly, if I was a con person, like yourself, I woudl just make somethign up and be done with it, think about it bloodybirds, and stop asking, ok.>

Post: Robert_RedBeard:

Videos up here:

Redbeard and Arsnel’s Pumpkin Chop Videos>

Post: angryrocker4:

Or you’d keep playin the game you are instead of taking the chances given of starting things over.

Red: Do a watermelon! With a hammer! :twisted:>

Post: Robert_RedBeard:

Nah!

I think that is copyrighted.

LOL

We do chop watermelons though.

Sometimes.

I will do my video next.

That way you can see my fat ass swinging a sword.>

Post: angryrocker4:

Never seen a sword and watermelon. Hope it bursts a bit.>

Post: Robert_RedBeard:

Will a ball bat do?>

Post: angryrocker4:

YES!>

Post: Robert_RedBeard:

I figured as much.

I’ll have to get a new pumpkin and take the bat to it just for you.

:twisted:>

Post: bamboo:

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Not an artful dodger, I just don’t talk about or share such information with total strangers

Yes you do, all the time. You share your so called “knowledge” on this board yet will not give any background at all.

Noone cares if you “devised” your own sysytem from training since age 8 (BULLSHIT). Your “personal” one handed style using a two handed sword is absolute crap until you show otherwise. A japanese long sword is made with two hands in mind. You can use one hand- good for you, i’ll still put my money on the trained two hander.

You posted

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Age:33
Weight:147
Height:5’11
Body fat: 5%

Looks like personal information to me?

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I just don’t talk about or share such information with total strangers

You have a real short term memory problem, if you can’t handle your ganja, I suggest you stick to tea.

If I ask polite- will you leave?

“Please leave”, sincerely, bamboo>

Post: NathanRahl:

[quote=bamboo 
Quote:
Not an artful dodger, I just don’t talk about or share such information with total strangers

Yes you do, all the time. You share your so called “knowledge” on this board yet will not give any background at all.

Noone cares if you “devised” your own sysytem from training since age 8 (BULLSHIT). Your “personal” one handed style using a two handed sword is absolute crap until you show otherwise. A japanese long sword is made with two hands in mind. You can use one hand- good for you, i’ll still put my money on the trained two hander.

You posted

Quote:
Age:33
Weight:147
Height:5’11
Body fat: 5%

Looks like personal information to me?

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I just don’t talk about or share such information with total strangers

You have a real short term memory problem, if you can’t handle your ganja, I suggest you stick to tea.

If I ask polite- will you leave?

“Please leave”, sincerely, bamboo[/quote 

This is not personal info such as name, address, telephone, it is general info.

Devise my own system from age 8, I never said I devised anything, I have studied since age eight, I was lucky, yes, but I had some help. I have not ever devised my own system, just taken the wisdom of some very wise people and built upon it. I don’t practice any one system, never limit yourself to one style, that’s what I was taught. Eventaully I discovered that it was really “never limit yourself to any style” but thats another story, and one I won’t share.

You seem to have a problem telling between general info and personal info, info I would not share because I just don’t, and it’s that simple.

As for some two handed swordsman beating me, I am not in this game to fight, be fought, beat people up, and os on and so forth. I really do wish I could train someone as doubtnig as yourself, but it is impossible. Also, one handed yes, but I use two long swords. Made for two handed use, only if you don’t have the discipline and the work ethic to master it with one hand. Two hand is not the right way, you can not cut nearly as freely from right to left, and you have two hands you should maximize your weapons, and use them both. And yes, I am afraid I am as skilled as I say I am, more so even, believe what you like, it doesn’t really matter.>

Post: zefff:

“And yes, I am afraid I am as skilled as I say I am, more so even, believe what you like, it doesn’t really matter.”

BRILLIANT!!! :lol: Im sure every member on here is more skilled than they might admit to…No need to point out your own superlativity. Even Robert RedBeard who just posted vids, I know can perform at a higher level than he displayed if he needed to. But you are right, our petty and small powers do not really matter at all – regardless of the level they are not worth the mention.

Nathan mate, you arent the only person on here who might use a long sword with a single hand – it may have its advantages but that doesnt make single hand practice “proper” or the right way. You yourself said you are not bound by style but you have confined yourself to what is ‘proper’. No style, is style mate. I know you should already know this but I had to pick up on the contradiction again, sorry.>

Post: NathanRahl:

[quote=zefff “And yes, I am afraid I am as skilled as I say I am, more so even, believe what you like, it doesn’t really matter.”

BRILLIANT!!! :lol: Im sure every member on here is more skilled than they might admit to…No need to point out your own superlativity. Even Robert RedBeard who just posted vids, I know can perform at a higher level than he displayed if he needed to. But you are right, our petty and small powers do not really matter at all – regardless of the level they are not worth the mention.

Nathan mate, you arent the only person on here who might use a long sword with a single hand – it may have its advantages but that doesnt make single hand practice “proper” or the right way. You yourself said you are not bound by style but you have confined yourself to what is ‘proper’. No style, is style mate. I know you should already know this but I had to pick up on the contradiction again, sorry.[/quote 

Doing thigs properly is not a style, you don’t even know what style is. if you would like we can talk about this off forum, I do not have the time to explain it to you on forum.

Sufficient to say, doing something properly doe’s not quality as a style, your generalising the matetr so as to fit into your own narrow of things. I can just as easily use the blade two handed, however the way that gives me more “freedom” of movement is one handed.

And no, no one on here wields the sword as I do, you can trust me on that, and no, there are no other true one handed swordsman on here I do not think. And I do use two hands, meaning two swords.

Why do you choose to be so compartmentalizing and limited in your thinking, is that all you can do zeff, or after all this time is it impossible for you to be anything but disagreeable and open minded.

Zeff, yuo on’t know what your talking about.>

Post: angryrocker4:

I think some of his shit hit the screen.>

Post: zefff:

Congratulations on earning your orange belt!

Anyway,

I dont have the time to waste talking to you off forum Im afraid so you will have to live with your definitions and I with my own.

You mention my narrow and limited thinking – let me show you something about yourself revealed in your writings:

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…you don’t even know what style is.

This is an assumption you have made. Im not saying you have done wrong or anything, Im just saying you have reached premature conclusions. You did not think to question me or my reasons. You did not stop to question my experience or my rationale. You have put me into a pidgeon hole, so to speak. You have assumed a limit to my thinking exists and you know the level of my limit from one sentence.

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…your generalising the matetr so as to fit into your own narrow of things.

Again, this is assuming a lot. I wont ask why or how you reached this belief though as I know you are pressed for time.

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I can just as easily use the blade two handed, however…

Call me pedantic but this is contradiction. You CANNOT use it as easily otherwise you would have no preference and you would have the same range of motion with either grip.

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And no, no one on here wields the sword as I do, you can trust me on that, and no, there are no other true one handed swordsman on here I do not think.

The way you handle a sword does not mean much at all. It is a small thing you are doing. I am a single handed swords man. I can handle two-handed swords with one hand. I can use double swords. I dont think I am special at all. It is nothing to brag about and get hot under your collar.

You have made assumption again and the ridiculous part is with your quip at the end about you “do not think”….You prove that your tongue (or finger) often engages before your brain. :lol: …no worries, I do that a lot too.

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Why do you choose to be so compartmentalizing and limited in your thinking, is that all you can do zeff, or after all this time is it impossible for you to be anything but disagreeable and open minded.

This portion is weird. It starts with assumption again and ends with contradiction in a question that has no punctuation…maybe the “open minded” bit was a typo??? Let me break down my own prior post as its obvious that you failed to understand it for yourself.

1) I was not disagreeable throughout my post, only where mentioning what might be proper.
2) I was subtle in explaining that humility is a virtue.
3) I agreed that ‘it’ didnt matter at all.
4) I mentioned the possibility of you not being unique.
5) I then highlighted another contradiction in your writings as I saw it.

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Zeff, yuo on’t know what your talking about

Another assumption. You dont even know who you are talking to. BTW what city in China are you based?

peace>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Yes, Nathan, I am so fake that I am recognized by all the national Chinese federations, my masters are three of the top Chinese masters in the world, one of whose teachers is considered one of the world’s top authorities on Southern white crane and chin na. But, I bow to your greatness and humility…..gentlemen, maybe if we ignore this truffle he will go away…again, a non style or lineage question, why practice Japanese arts in China? Well, this 30 year fakester is done talking with the greatest martial artist since Bruce Lee……style with no style, why didn’t we think of that? Somewhere, Bruce is rolling in his grave. Oh, and by the way, I am sure you can wield the kwon dao one handed as well?! Wow, you da man!!>

Post: NathanRahl:

[quote=zefff Congratulations on earning your orange belt!

Anyway,

I dont have the time to waste talking to you off forum Im afraid so you will have to live with your definitions and I with my own.

You mention my narrow and limited thinking – let me show you something about yourself revealed in your writings:

Quote:
…you don’t even know what style is.

This is an assumption you have made. Im not saying you have done wrong or anything, Im just saying you have reached premature conclusions. You did not think to question me or my reasons. You did not stop to question my experience or my rationale. You have put me into a pidgeon hole, so to speak. You have assumed a limit to my thinking exists and you know the level of my limit from one sentence.

Quote:
…your generalising the matetr so as to fit into your own narrow of things.

Again, this is assuming a lot. I wont ask why or how you reached this belief though as I know you are pressed for time.

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I can just as easily use the blade two handed, however…

Call me pedantic but this is contradiction. You CANNOT use it as easily otherwise you would have no preference and you would have the same range of motion with either grip.

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And no, no one on here wields the sword as I do, you can trust me on that, and no, there are no other true one handed swordsman on here I do not think.

The way you handle a sword does not mean much at all. It is a small thing you are doing. I am a single handed swords man. I can handle two-handed swords with one hand. I can use double swords. I dont think I am special at all. It is nothing to brag about and get hot under your collar.

You have made assumption again and the ridiculous part is with your quip at the end about you “do not think”….You prove that your tongue (or finger) often engages before your brain. :lol: …no worries, I do that a lot too.

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Why do you choose to be so compartmentalizing and limited in your thinking, is that all you can do zeff, or after all this time is it impossible for you to be anything but disagreeable and open minded.

This portion is weird. It starts with assumption again and ends with contradiction in a question that has no punctuation…maybe the “open minded” bit was a typo??? Let me break down my own prior post as its obvious that you failed to understand it for yourself.

1) I was not disagreeable throughout my post, only where mentioning what might be proper.
2) I was subtle in explaining that humility is a virtue.
3) I agreed that ‘it’ didnt matter at all.
4) I mentioned the possibility of you not being unique.
5) I then highlighted another contradiction in your writings as I saw it.

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Zeff, yuo on’t know what your talking about

Another assumption. You dont even know who you are talking to. BTW what city in China are you based?

peace[/quote 

Yes yes I am all about assumptions, and you assume in assuming your assumptions. LOL, this whole forum is about assumptions, what a joke. I am laughing at all of you now ;) Oh and zeff, learn how to use a sword.>

Post: zefff:

Ha! I dont need to. It is a weak weapon and giving too much time to its study is a self-indulgence in my humble opinion.

I believe this is the mind trap of a young fighter…you know, like when you reach unconscious competence in your art and know you cannot lose to anyone in a duel. Its like building a house and you know it could never be knocked down by the wind because it has been built maticulously and it is impervious.

This is where you should open the door and go outside so to speak. This is where you should put down the sword and shut the fuck up! :lol:>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Gentlemen, I suggest we call Nathan his true name, Musashi, and move on!! By the way, Nathan, you have no idea who Dr. Wu, Madame Wong, Dr. Yang Jwing Ming, Abbot Wang Fui Yen, Grandmaster Ng Wei, Grandmaster Leung Shum, Grandmaster Ricky Anderson, Master Jeff Bolt, or any others are. Oh, and you might be a foreign expert, but all of my teachers are from Hong Kong, Taiwan or the US. But the Chinese government will have record of one of the 100 treasures of Chinese martial arts, Madame Wong as well as her husband, professor emeritus at Beijing University. They had to leave China due to the Cultural Revolution so they would not be killed for teaching the true arts.

And, by the way, all the names mentioned above are much more well known in China, Hong Kong, and the US than you will be. By the way, I will take you up on your offer….if you will provide us with your name, we can then check with the consulate here or in Beijing. One curious thing….you mentioned you are a foreign expert….I assume in martial arts or in something else? If you have no style, and you are teaching Japanese sword technique, how receptive are the Chinese locals to your teachings? Oh, and to your anticipated retort about me and mine, I have given you the list of my teachers, where I have trained, and in what forms of the Chinese arts. So far, you have told Zefff, Angry, Samurai, etc. that we are all incompetent boobs….question, what is your purpose for being on this forum anyway if there is nothing to learn or exchange with us other than nasty reposte back and forth? What is your goal in being here? I do not need your validation or approval, as I am appropriately ranked and tested by my three legitimate masters (Jeff Bolt, Ricky Anderson, and Leung Shum). I do not need your praise, your approval, or your critique. What ashame!! Some of your commentary actually has interest and fascination, and how you get on in China, and how you adapt, these are things that would have been very interesting to me as I lived and trained at the Ying Jow school in Kowloon province Hong Kong and it took awhile to adapt. These are the types of things that would have been cool to learn from you. As it is, we do not need your validation for our skills and you certainly desire none from us…..so, other than continuing these useless diatribes, is there any other reason you are here?>

Post: Marishiten:

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Two hand is not the right way, you can not cut nearly as freely from right to left, and you have two hands you should maximize your weapons, and use them both. And yes, I am afraid I am as skilled as I say I am, more so even, believe what you like, it doesn’t really matter.

You’re kidding, right? Katana is made to be two-hand sword, how can you possibly suggest it isn’t the right way? Sure you can use two swords, but that isn’t the primary way the samurai fought, nor should it be. Keep your weapons on your person, so when one gets destroyed, you have another – if you’re using both, it’s more likely that you’ll LOSE both.

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I can just as easily use the blade two handed, however the way that gives me more “freedom” of movement is one handed.

The sword should be pointed at the opponent at all possible times, you should not leave yourself open – there must be a sword in-between. The “freedom” you talk about will most probably leave you open. There is no reason for this extra movement, that isn’t the point.>

Post: zefff:

Marishiten,

I dont know anything at all about Japanese sword arts but can I ask some questions that have come to mind from reading your post? Maybe you can answer or someone else can.

Is there a Japanese sword that is designed for single hand use? I can imagine a short sword must exist, what is the maximum length and how does its (correct) use differ to katana?

Todays exponents might know how sword was taught but do they really know how swordmen of the past fought? The meaning behind my question is, being taught the right method is different to employing the method in a fight yes?

BTW, leaving yourself open in duelling is a very, very old trick used by warriors for thousands of years. You can do it with the sword, your stance, chosen ground or your armour etc. You do it to force your opponent to attack your weakness. Sorry if I am writing things you already know of, not meaning to patronise you or anything.

peace>

Post: Robert_RedBeard:

I don’t know if they made one intended for single hand use.

But didn’t one of their most celebrated masters have a two sword style? I would assume that means one in each hand. Therefore each getting used one handed.

I also recently saw video of a Kendo challenge where one guy use the two sword method. The guy with only one sword in both hands didn’t get more than a single strike in. The rest of the match he was getting beat up by the guy with two.

It reminded me of the Sword and Dagger techniques of european styles.>

Post: zefff:

Ooooh is that video online by any chance? :D>

Post: bamboo:

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But didn’t one of their most celebrated masters have a two sword style? I would assume that means one in each hand. Therefore each getting used one handed

Miyamoto Mushashi, 1st master of Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu, used two swords when it suited his purposes. However, he really the exception in that the vast majority of all sword schools (japanese) used one at a time.

Musashi also used a single sword for his more legendary fights, often no more than a wooden practice sword. Think of him as the Michael Jordan of swords, everyone can copy, but only he could ever do what he did.

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The sword should be pointed at the opponent at all possible times, you should not leave yourself open

When facing an opponant that is standing in chudan no kamae, I would agree, but as the attacker changes would you not agree that gedan no kamae has some very advantagous aspects? One example that comes to mind would be if the opponant starts in jodan from chudan and moves in with a powerful shomen, before the blade ever makes contact, it is rather quick and simple to raise the tip of your blade from gedan and let uke impale themselves whilst moving forward.
Gedan no kamae also allows for a “false opening” that invites uke to attack.

Its nice to discuss this with someone that is not insulting us. May I ask what school of sword you study so I might get a better idea of “where your coming from”? :D

Cheers,

bamboo>

Post: Robert_RedBeard:

I will try to find the video again Zefff.

May take a few minutes. Or more.

Bamboo,

From what I understand he also use nothing but a boat ore one time. Just walked up and bashed the guys head in. LOL!

Now that’s one dumb fuck. Just let a badass walk up to you with a big club. DUH!!!

BTW, I am working on some new pages for my site. Can you guys check it out?

Virtual Training Hall

This is something I am adding to the blog. Just wanted to see what bamboo, Zefff and others thought of the design. Not much content is there yet.>

Post: bamboo:

With the exception of the cotton swab combat, I liked the simple feel to it.

Looking forward to seeing it develop. :D>

Post: bamboo:

Marishiten-

I almost forgot, excellent choice in a name. :wink:

-bamboo>

Post: Robert_RedBeard:

[quote=zefff Ooooh is that video online by any chance? :D[/quote 

Here is that video:

Two sword against one.>

Post: Robert_RedBeard:

Tell me what you think of this vital target chart.

Does it work for you?

Vital Targets

You have to click on the point and it will popup a window explaining the details.>

Post: Hengest:

[quote=zefff Is there a Japanese sword that is designed for single hand use? I can imagine a short sword must exist, what is the maximum length and how does its (correct) use differ to katana? [/quote 

The wakizashi, the shorter sword of the daisho, was essentially a one-handed sword. It is usually considered a CQB weapon though, and it’s usage would generally be quite different to the katana. It’s often part of a ryuha’s jujutsu syllabus rather than its kenjutsu curriculum, being combined with clinch and grappling methods, and so often comes under the heading kumiuchi, koshi no mawari or suchlike. Some schools do give it its own syllabus though, normally referred to as kodachijutsu, and one or two schools (Takenouchi Ryu springs to mind) even teach the use of two wakizashi at the same time, nito kodachijutsu.>

Post: zefff:

Thanks for that Hengest and thanks for the video RRB, its a shame for the single sword guy that Kendo doesnt score for limb attacks – mind you he seemed mesmorised by the limb being offered.>

Post: Robert_RedBeard:

Yeah, it looked like he hadn’t had any chance to go against two swords before. Like a deer in headlights.

If I’m correct, he did get a good men shot once. But that’s it.

Seems the two sword guy only had one trick though.>

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