Junsado: Korean JKD?
Original Poster: Fa Jing
Forum: Jeet Kune Do Jun Fan Bruce Lee Forums
Posted On: 01-06-2004, 18:12
Orginal Post: Fa Jing: everyone on here knows what Jeet kune do is but what about the korean version called Junsado? I have just recently learn about it
I would just like to have some discussion on it. Do you all think it is the korean version of JKD or is it just another “made up” MA to help sell books? The article inclosed has some good points as to the advantages of Junsado over JKD but what do you all think?
Post: Ninja Kl0wn:
ROFLMAO. One of thier “advantages” over JKD is they have a better name. :lol:>
Anyone else see something suspicious?
Hmmm…..invented by “Master Kim” under a pen name.>
Post: Fa Jing:
has anyone seen any videos or read any of Kims books? I personally have not.>
I’m not sure about this “system”. How it’s “advantages” make it better than JKD, I’m not quite sure, because if my understanding of JKD is correct, JKD is whatever works for each individual. If it works, it works. If it doesn’t, screw it. What can truly be more effective than that?>
Post: setsu nin to:
I am realy suspicious about it, not shure just suspicious.>
Post: Fa Jing:
im not sure about it either. Brand new to me, i was just wondering if Junsado is korean for JKD? or is it something else?>
Must I repeat myself?
It was invented by Ashida Kim. It says so right there.>
Quote: It was invented by Ashida Kim. It says so right there.
Show me creative.
I saw the pen name of “hanho” and the name Sang H Kim (Kim is a fairly common korean name) but no mention to our ninja friend.
Wasn’t Hanho one of Ashida Kim’s psuedonyms?>
Post: Fa Jing:
No hanho wasnt, Ashida Kim is some ninjitsu wannabe whos real name is Chris Hunter.>
Not only is he just a ninja wannabe but his name doesnt make sense. He claims to be japanese (Im just guessing that) but Kim is a korean name and Ashida is japanese. You can’t ever form the word k-i-m in the japanese characters.>
Back to the topic of the thread, is there any reason why this philosophy (it would have to be a philosophy since that’s what JKD is) is any more effective than JKD as the website claims? I don’t agree with the statement that because the founder is still alive, it is more able to adapt. What works for him, does not necessarily have to work for someone else. I would think that the more people involved, the more testing there can be and the easier techniques can be dissected and analyzed. More scientific if you will. Also, this just seems like a TKD influenced JKD just as JKD was influenced by WC. Other thoughts?>
I think what you said about this being influenced by TKD as JKD was by Wing Chun is right on the mark!>
how can it be better then jkd? for all of us here who do jkd we know that its a rounded art full of concepts that we can choose to use in OUR OWN STYLES OF COMBAT!!! but this is very shifty. i mean you can do judo (grappling), kick boxing (stand up) and learn kali. then you can say “this is my style ” rounded ultimate fist of destruction…..but only used in defense” anyone can do this. its shit. we see things like this all the time. thats why we have a mcdojo’s section. im sick of dicks like this that try to coin on the Jeet Kune Do: Bruce Lee side of things. saying jkd is out of date. how can it be when the leading armed and law enforcement agencies the world over use it. its perhaps one of the top 5 if not in the top 3 of “styles” there is. bruce and inosanto made it efficant, made it work. all of us here know that you take what you want and leave what you dont. i mean tell me what arts are like that? in karate you have to do so many movements to pull off a punch. loads of systematic shit that no one needs. in many “styles” the world over have this kind of 1,2,3,4,5……. just do 5 cut out all the shit. this guy going on about “korean jkd” is right in a way. he takes what he wants if he puts THAT message across to his students then he is just repeating what bruce said. but to say”oh mines better then bruce’s” well how is it exactly?
just think about that
also,think about this,jkd has been around for about 38 years. tma’s have been around for…hundreds,and thousands of years.and they still work.to call something as relatively new as jkd outdated,is pretty ddumb/fraudish imo.>
Post: Fa Jing:
Im thinking about just not saying I train in JKD to anyone anymore. This is getting out of hand. People Ive seen around the net are claiming to be real JKD artist but havent even read/taking a class in JKD. They are just saying their self defense system is JKD. I posted this as an example. Junsado has JKD concepts but its better or worse. The heart of JKD is the practicioner. All i hear about anymore is people saying “you cant take JKD without proper lineage”, things like that are ignorant IMO the BS is getting out of hand.
Just my opinion. No offense to anyone.>
[quote=Katsu Jin Ken Im thinking about just not saying I train in JKD to anyone anymore. This is getting out of hand. People Ive seen around the net are claiming to be real JKD artist but havent even read/taking a class in JKD. They are just saying their self defense system is JKD. I posted this as an example. Junsado has JKD concepts but its better or worse. The heart of JKD is the practicioner. All i hear about anymore is people saying “you cant take JKD without proper lineage”, things like that are ignorant IMO the BS is getting out of hand.
Just my opinion. No offense to anyone.[/quote
give examples of people doing this. i haven’t seen anything even close to that posted in this thread.>
Post: Fa Jing:
I dont think you can read STG…..reread it.
what part of AROUND THE NET dont you understand?>
the part where it INVOLVES ANYONE HERE. if it DOESN’T, then don’t cry about it to us :roll:>
Stg, if you don’t care about it then don’t read it. You don’t need to tell people what they can and can’t post, and neither do I. That’s the mods’ job.>
If you were having a conversation face to face I’m sure your tempers would not flare because of semantics. Try rereading in a more positive light and don’t be so quick to attack eachother.
Post: Fa Jing:
nothing i have posted or ever will post should be taken as personal to anyone. STG sorry if you took it personal it wasnt ment to be. If i was going to get personal, i wouldnt beat around the bush you know i would direct it whomever i was speaking of.>
lets get on track lads. we dont want to be jumping on planes and having a straightener in some for away land.
so i take it we agree and this guy is talking out of his bakside unless he repeats “take what you want leave what you dont”?
8) peace all 8)>
Post: The Axe Murderer:
Sounds like a McDojo or wannabe JKD IMO…>
The thing is, there’s no need for a “Korean” JKD. It’s a philosophy. It’s not something that would change just because of the name. So him renaming a philosophy (assuming that it IS the same philosophy…), and then trying to coin it as his own is very dishonest and greedy. Thus he should be ignored. Junsado is just a name. A name won’t fight.>
calling it korean jkd makes no sense. many people already cant agree wut jkd is, how can someone term a style korean jkd. i hate it just as much when people take the another style and add a country to it. unless there is something absolutely defining to it (i.e. BJJ) theres no point. its like saying, “i know russian capoeira”>
I am really suspisious about that Junsado thing…honestly. I am really turned off when someone explicitly states his/her own advantages as such, while in a sense discrminating another. It is not credible for me…maybe when I see them train or at least their demo…..>
I must admit that I haven’t read the article, mainly because the art doesn’t interest me, but I definitely do think that you could conceivably have something very different from JKD based around the same principles. Bruce Lee was short, fairly thin, in impeccable condition and initially received training in Wing Chun and a little bit of a longer northern style. Imagine what it would look like if a Taijiquan guy had decided to supplement his training with weapons work from Kali or if a Sumo picked up western boxing to add more strikes to his arsenal. The concept of JKD isn’t anything new, and when you compare what Lee was doing to something like what most MMA guys use, there’s a huge difference despite the fact that both “use what works and discard what doesn’t”. If you want to treat it as just a philosophy, then you really can’t study at a school. Truly following JKD would be going out on your own, achieving a high level of competence in an art, then doing the same with a few others, and battle testing what you know regularly so you can keep working on the techniques that work better for you. I have nothing against JKD schools at all, but if you’re going to mess with semantics and say that it’s a philosophy, you can’t say that you train in JKD. Besides, speaking of names, JKD itself has JKDC, OJKD (I think, I can’t remember what that stands for), SBGi, and a swarm of others.>
i don’t really count sbgi as jkd because it’s mostly just a basic muay thai/lots of grappling stuff mma style. thorton himself only learned a semi-typical jkdc course :lol:>