so bahk do?

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so bahk do?
Original Poster: DARKTIM
Forum: Korean Martial Arts
Posted On: 27-06-2004, 19:24

Orginal Post: DARKTIM: hi all

was talking with a mate of mine the other day. was telling him bout jkd and asked has he ever done anything in the way of MA’s? he said he did something called so bahk do ( not sure if i spelt that correct)

i was just wondering anybody got any info on it?

cheers

DT

Post: setsu nin to:

Soo Bahk Do (way of the striking hand), the name was used 2200-2700 years ago in China, and its oldest martial art in Korea.

After from Soo Bahk Do was developed Tang Soo Do so we may say that Soo Bahk Do is traditional part of Tang Soo Do. Ofcourse Tang Soo Do have also influence of Tae Kyon, Kwon Bup, Chinese and Okinawian fighting sistems.

After WWII there were few (six main schools) martial arts schools were deweloped. One of them was Moo Duk Kwan developed by Master Hwang Kee. In the end of 1945 Master Hwang Kee organized the “Korean Soo Bahk Do Association”.>

Post: DARKTIM:

yeah he was talking about master hwang kee. and told me that the full name of the art was, soo bahk do moo duk kwan.

he was also telling me that the teacher there, not sure if it was hwang kee said that they couldnot use there skills that they had learned for self defense.

any more info.

DT>

Post: setsu nin to:

Master Hwang Kees school was called “Moo Duk Kwan”, soon after he opened school he opened “Korean Soo Bahk Do Association”. So thats why you have Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan. Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan is not style, it mean that you learn Soo Bahk Do in Moo Duk Kwan school. Soo Bahk Do is style and Moo Duk Kwan is school.

Master Hwang Kee passed away in 2002 and I dont know whats mean that your friend cant use there skills that they had learned for self defense.

In my opinion Master Hwang Kee was one of moust respected and greatest Korean and world martial artists. I have lot of respect to him. RIP>

Post: Blade:

If you dont train alot outside of class you’l never be able use anything you’ve learned>

Post: Kyorgi:

I found this article at www.barrel.net:

What followed was a time of peace and the HwaRang turned from a military organization to a group specialized in poetry and music. It was in 936 A.D. when Wang Kon founded the Koryo dynasty, an abbreviation of Koguryo. The name Korea is derived from Koryo.

During the Koryo Dynasty the sport Soo Bakh Do, which was then used as a military training method, became popular. During the Joseon-dynasty (also known as the Yi-dynasty. 1392 A.D. – 1910 A.D.) this emphasis on military training disappeared. King Taejo, founder of the Joseon-dynasty, replaced Buddhism by Confucianism as the state religion. According to Confucianism, the higher class should study the poets, read poems and and play music. Martial arts was something for the common, or even inferior, man.>

Post: Hengest:

Sorry to get on my high horse but I think it’s important to distinguish between modern soo bahk do and ancient soo bahk. Despite Hwang Kee’s claims, the two probably have little or nothing to do with each other.

Nobody really knows what ancient soo bahk (or subak) was but it’s most likely that it was a fighting art imported from or heavily influenced by the Chinese, probably an ancestor of (or perhaps the same as) the kwonbup found in the Muye Dobo Tongji.

Hwang Kee always maintained that his skills came from learning kung fu while working on the railroads in China for the Japanese in the late ’30s. However, soo bahk do doesn’t bear much in the way of Chinese characteristics. It is documented that Hwang Kee was a friend of Gogen Yamaguchi, the founder of Goju Kai karate, who was in China at the same time, in the same area, so it is more likely that what Hwang learned was Goju Ryu or an early form of Yamaguchi’s Goju Kai. This is borne out by the fact that soo bahk do originally made use of (and may still do) the Taikyoku kata used in Goju, although it called them Kijo. It’s also notable that Hwang originally called soo bahk do tang soo do (a name sometimes still used), which was the Korean pronunciation of the three Chinese characters used by the Japanese to write “karate-do”.

It is true that in later years Hwang Kee started to create some forms based on the kwonbup of the Muye Dobo Tongji, but this was long after he started teaching soo bahk do as a a style.

So, at the end of the day, although Hwang claimed otherwise, it’s unlikely soo bahk do has much to do with the original soo bahk and, like so many Korean styles, actually has its routes in modern Japanese martial arts rather than the hwarang.>

Post: Gong||Jau:

So is tang soo do soo bahk do, then? I’ve seen a lot of schools that teach that. They told me it’s like tae kwon do, but more “complete”. I’ve never tried it so I can’t really comment; what you said just made me curious.>

Post: Hengest:

Yeah, soo bahk do/tang soo do and tae kwon do have very similar histories and techniques. At one time the South Korean government actually wanted TKD and TSD to be amalgamated into one, but Hwang Kee wasn’t having none of it.>

Post: Kyorgi:

isnt Moo Duk Kwan tied in to this too, I read that along with Choi many of the great Moo Duk Kwan masters developed TKD.>

Post: Hengest:

Yeah, in the early days, when TKD, TSD and the like were known collectively as kongsoodo (the Korean pronunciation of the modern spelling of “karate-do”), the Mudokkwan, alongside the Ch’ongdokwan, was fundamental in its development. However, when Choi Hong Hi began moves to unite the various forms of kongsoodo under the banner of tae soo do (and then tae kwon do), Hwang Kee decided to go his own way. It was about this time that he discovered the Muye Dobo Tongji and started trying to “Koreanise” tang soo do.>

Post: Kyorgi:

I was riding my bike around an Island across the strait of juan de fuca and I saw ALOT of So Bahk Do students training, I only watched them for about half an hour but all they did was just practice forms with staffs. Most of them wore what looked like ITF tkd uniforms.>

Post: setsu nin to:

What caind of stuff did they used?>

Post: Kyorgi:

I’m not sure what kind they were, most were about 8 feet long.>

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