TaeKwonDo bashing

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TaeKwonDo bashing
Original Poster: Kyorgi
Forum: Korean Martial Arts
Posted On: 08-11-2006, 16:30

Orginal Post: Kyorgi: 3 years I’ve been a member of the fightauthority.com forums, it seems like unless a member practices taekwondo they think its usless. I’m not trying to prove a point, not trying to make anyone feel stupid, I just want to know what is it about taekwondo that makes everyone hate it so much. Is it politics, fancy kicks, lack of hand strikes in comparison to kicks, mcdojhangs?

What should taekwondo being doing differently? yet still remain TaeKwonDo.

Thanks in advance.

Post: zefff:

Well, TKD as a sport should be doing all it can to innovate and excel within the rules to produce the best atheletes for the sport.

TKD as a method of unarmed combat should employ effective boxing which means addressing the stance and guard which in turn would influence how the kicks are delivered.>

Post: Hengest:

I think it depends what TKD wants to be. If it wants to be a sport first and an MA second, it doesn’t really need to do anything it isn’t already doing. However, if it wants to gain respect as an MA first and a sport second, it needs to make some big changes.

TKDers always moan that TKD doesn’t get respect as an MA but, let’s be honest, as it’s taught in the majority of dojang, it’s only really an MA in the same way as Olympic fencing is an MA; it’s a combat-based sport. To gain respect as an MA it needs to start teaching its students how to defend themselves and not how to play foot-tag.

I’m not saying dojang should start bringing in kickboxing or BJJ techniques or anything like that. I don’t think it needs to, plus it wouldn’t really be TKD anymore if it did. I think dojang should be adopting the same approach as we’re gradually starting to see in karate dojo. They need to be analysing TKD patterns, the hyung, the poomse, for effective combat techniques and then teaching these to students in a realistic manner. In fact, TKD instructors could learn a lot from the karate instructors that are doing this. Hell, they’ve done most of the work for them seeing as large chunks of TKD patterns have been lifted from karate kata anyway. Once they’ve extracted the techniques from the forms they then need to be drilling the students in them and getting them to use them in combat- as opposed to sport-oriented free sparring. I’m not saying they need to get rid of the sport element, they just need to decrease its importance somewhat.

Another, perhaps less important, thing I think TKD associations should be doing is stop lying about TKD’s history. I notice the ITF website is refreshingly honest about it, but the WTF site is just shameless lies. It goes on about TKD being a part of Korea’s 5,000-year history, that it is a direct descendant of subak, which became taekkyon, which, of course, is all rubbish. If TKDers were honest about their art, I think that would also help them gain some respect, at least from other MAists.>

Post: bamboo:

If your confident in your training and skill set and are not fooling yourself (your testing yourself beyond the dojang) then who the hell cares what everyone else thinks?>

Post: Hengest:

That is also a very good point. :oops:>

Post: ejedge:

wel in my opinion martial arts is base on the practicioner and how devoted they are to the art. an art can only be effective if you only make it effective. whati mean by this is that we don’t have to prove it by trash talking about it or checking out other martial arts that is beter than TKD. If they want respect as a TKD praticioner in the martial arts world. train hard and show them that it is worthy, less talk more action. i’m only a yellow belt in TKD i’m not bragging or anything but the things that i’ve learn so far makesm e feel confident as a fighter. its not be because of the techniques it about how devoted i am eventhough i only attained a very low rank.

“the world may talk blasphemy, but you make ur own world”
– EDGE>

Post: shurite44:

Well it is only one of two MA’s to make it to the olympics and probably only second to karate in popularity thoughout the world.

I would say you are just talking to the wrong people. :)>

Post: Robert_RedBeard:

[quote=shurite44 Well it is only one of two MA’s to make it to the olympics and probably only second to karate in popularity thoughout the world.

I would say you are just talking to the wrong people. :)[/quote 

Still a sport.

Self defense is not a popularity contest. Nor is it a sport.

Many TDK techniques are good for self defense. If you wanna learn to kick better, I would say you can learn something from TKD.

But I have met few and seen even fewer TDK fighters that could fight well outside the confines of TDK rules.

As with many “Eastern Arts” TKD is a watered down version of Korean Martial Arts implimented as a sport by the US government afer winning a war. It has Korean roots but was cultivated as a sport and fitness art.

The USA did much the same thing in Japan. That’s where we get Kendo, Aikido, Judo and many other “popular” martial arts. They were USA approved non-threatening Sports.

Some people may have gone different routes with what they learn from these arts. I for one learn what I can and make it mine. But the average person coming from a TKD background will not be a good fighter.

I don’t wanna bash. I just want people to be realistic about their choices of “Martial” Art or “Sport” Art.>

Post: bamboo:

Quote:
Well it is only one of two MA’s to make it to the olympics

TKD, Judo, Wrestling (2 styles), boxing…..>

Post: zefff:

…archery, pistol and rifle shooting, winter biathlon…javelin, hammer throw, discus :P>

Post: Bushi:

They need to stop selling Black Belts and make people earn them. They need to develop the understanding that not everyone will be a Black Belt and go from there. Oh and stop giving BBs to little kids. I get sick and tired of running into guys that have a BB in TKD, but can’t fight for shit.

The End.>

Post: Haas:

Tae kwon do ^_^

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AEgIb2fj2yM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5MWw3VTtQ0E

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IFwJIGKOPbM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mn1hgpySMCM
:wink:

so i guse the only way to end the hate is to beat up people and post it on the net ^_^>

Post: zefff:

I cant be bothered to watch the vids because they do not answer Bushi’s point.>

Post: Bushi:

[quote=Haas Tae kwon do ^_^

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AEgIb2fj2yM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5MWw3VTtQ0E

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IFwJIGKOPbM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mn1hgpySMCM
:wink:

so i guse the only way to end the hate is to beat up people and post it on the net ^_^[/quote 

All those fights sucked. The alleged MT guys were some of the worst I have ever seen.

Showing a bunch of vids demostrating a TKD guy beating Tomatoe cans does not prove anything. Besides, I did not say TKD cannot work, re-read my post.>

Post: bamboo:

Videos mean fuck all.

I can provide film of myself looking like a pro on the ground. Its quite different in real life.>

Post: Haas:

I wasn’t trying to answer your post Bushi, in fact I agree with it, as for zeff good for you idk, and bamboo you have a good point to.

I happen to think that it is more important that the students understand what it means to be a black belt these days, that it dosent mean that you are better then anyone else, its just that you have been training longer at that school.
I find that the belt system today is just a way to make a living for the teacher and with that the student shoud have a different mind set when training in Tae Kwon Do (that is if you are training in a good school).>

Post: shurite44:

[quote=bamboo 
Quote:
Well it is only one of two MA’s to make it to the olympics

TKD, Judo, Wrestling (2 styles), boxing…..[/quote 

Most do not consider western boxing and wrestling as MA’s. I am sure there are a million arguments saying otherwise but in general they are not considered MA’s.

Like I said for the thread starter’s benefit. TKD is a very well respected MA. You just need to talk to the right people.

On this forum it does seem to get trashed some. But this forum is far, and I do mean far from the authority on MA’s and TKD.>

Post: Haas:

Some say Yoga and Tai Chi are martial arts.
So i dont see why anyone would say boxing and wrestling are not martial arts as well. If what people think of a style in martial arts has to do with what part of the world it came from or if its Asian then they are wrong.>

Post: shurite44:

Look up MA’s in the dictionary or encyclopedia.

I think that may be a good starting point for many on this forum.

In general you will find this definition for martial art in about any dictionary.

martial arts 

any of the traditional forms of Oriental self-defense or combat that utilize physical skill and coordination without weapons, as karate, aikido, judo, or kung fu, often practiced as sport.>

Post: shurite44:

Normally if one were trying to describe a western sport or activity that comes from some sort of combat application. Like boxing or wrestling they would put the prefix western in front of the words martial arts.

But in general western boxers and wrestlers over the years would not have considered themselves martial artists, nor would they have used that term to describe themselves.

Martial art is a term that has generally been reserved to describe the Asian arts.

Just proper English. No insult to anyone. Has nothing to do with self defense or effectiveness. Just the common usage of the term.

Trust me if you ask the Olympic committee what MA’s have been in the Olympics they will tell you TKD and Judo. Any expert on the subject will tell you the same.

Anyway I am done with this one. This is not really worth arguing about. If someone wants to call western boxing a MA, then more power to them. In general no one will know what you are talking about, but have fun with it.>

Post: Haas:

thats funny mine says.

Martial art

“a system of combat and self-defence, e.g. judo or karate developed especially in Japan and Korea and now usually practised as a sport.”>

Post: zefff:

With respect Shurite, Kyorgi who started this thread is a longtime member and although he has to put up with TKD bashing, he knows it is the skewed training methods and widely-accepted corruption of truths in the system that are rife throughout the art and not the actual art of TKD that is the problem when combat effectiveness is concerned.

Not everyone here just hates TKD for the sake of it. Well I dont, I think there is a lot of good things that could be taken from it (…but also a lot of bad).

You started your post by accepting the view of the majority to bolster your argument then you dismissed the view of the majority to support your argument in the very next paragraph! :lol: In your final paragraph I wonder if majority view follows your opinion. Not that it really matters.

peace>

Post: shurite44:

Well I would argue that point but I have no idea what the hell you said.

Anyway, like I said, I would not worry too much about people bashing TKD.

It is a very well respected MA. Like I said this forum represents a very small group, I would not sweat it too much. Have fun with it and improve yourself.>

Post: shurite44:

Kyorgi you are sort of asking for a bashing here though.

If you want to know what the members think is wrong with taekwondo just read through many of the threads. That is painful enough for me, LOL.

Anyway I am sorry I hijacked the thread with a definition issue. That was a little rude.

Back to the topic I guess. At least someone is posting in the Korean section for a change. LOL.>

Post: dscott:

Everyone’s definition of martial arts is going to be different.

Martial arts are systems of codified practices and traditions of training for combat. Today, martial arts are studied for various reasons including combat skills, fitness, self-defense, sport, self-cultivation (meditation), mental discipline, character development and building self-confidence. A practitioner of martial arts is referred to as a martial artist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_arts

Back to the original topic. It shouldn’t matter what art someone studies. It’s the person that makes the art. There are strengths and weaknesses to every art. As long as you like it and are truthfull to yourself….who cares.>

Post: shurite44:

dscott, I would say the reason Kyorgi started the thread is he probably wonders why so many bash TKD even in the Korean martial arts section.

It is a little odd. It seems odd non TKD people hang out in the Korean section, but it is a little slow on the forum so I guess that is the reason for that.

I think in general negative comments about TKD in the Korean martial arts section are generally not appropriate if the forum wants that section to grow and be interesting.

I am a member of an archery forum that used to do this to the crossbow section until the moderators finally put the foot down.

I agree with you though. Practice what you want and enjoy.

Although he does ask for suggestions I guess you would say about what TKD should do. Hey it is his thread, like I said he is begging for a flaming with this type of thread.

TKD is TKD. Take it or leave it I say. :)>

Post: dscott:

[quote=shurite44 It is a little odd. It seems odd non TKD people hang out in the Korean section, but it is a little slow on the forum so I guess that is the reason for that.[/quote 

I don’t hang out in the Korean section. I log on and see questions that have been posted since my last visit. I would venture a guess that that’s what most people do. If I have a specific question or want to find a specific answer, then I’ll go to that specific section.

If I have something that I think is constructive and productive to say regarding a subject, I will. No matter if I know anything about the subject or not. I’ll only give my advice or opinion if I don’t know much about the subject. You can ask others here, I’m the first one to tell you I don’t know about something. Hell…..I’ll be the first to tell you I don’t know anything about anything. :lol:>

Post: shurite44:

I am not pointing a finger at anyone. I just notice posts here and there that seem so negative towards TKD, and I think it probably tends to discourage TKD enthusiasts from posting sometimes.

Anyway I know I came on a little negative early in this thread. So sorry if anyone took offense, I am having sort of a down day for some reason.

I am going to try to post more often in the Korean section and try to stimulate some traffic.>

Post: Hengest:

[quote=shurite44 Look up MA’s in the dictionary or encyclopedia.

I think that may be a good starting point for many on this forum.

In general you will find this definition for martial art in about any dictionary.

martial arts 

any of the traditional forms of Oriental self-defense or combat that utilize physical skill and coordination without weapons, as karate, aikido, judo, or kung fu, often practiced as sport.[/quote 

Perhaps you would like to write to Dr. Sydney Anglo, one of the world’s most respected hoplologists, to tell him that he should change the title of his book The Martial Arts of Renaissance Europe because it conflicts with the definition in your dictionary?

I find it a little ridiculous that you want to limit what we discuss on this forum because your collegiate dictionary says otherwise. An everyday dictionary is concerned with common word usage; it is inadequate when discussing specialist areas that employ terms and phrases in quite a different manner to the layperson. If a solicitor advising a client wishing to plead insanity followed the American Heritage definition of the word, he would probably find himself on the end of a negligence suit; the common definition of “insanity” is very different to the legal definition. So it is with any specialist area.

That said, Merriam Webster’s says almost the same as Haas’ entry:

Quote:
any of several arts of combat and self defence (as karate and judo) that are widely practiced as sport

I would say that boxing and wrestling fit very nicely into that description.

[quote=shurite44 But this forum is far, and I do mean far from the authority on MA’s and TKD.[/quote 

So is the Oxford English Dictionary.

I’m not sure I see the point of your statement. I don’t think any individual on this forum has claimed to be an authority; we’re just enthusiasts here to discuss our common hobby.>

Post: Kyorgi:

Story Time:

I got recieved my black belt engulfed in the myth that TaeKwonDo was a credible art, only to 3 months later see 4 of my peers, a 17 year old girl, a 16 year old boy, a 36 year old Woman and a 9 year old girl recieve their black belts. Of the 4 only 1 of them im my mind actually deserved their black belt. Only the 36 year old woman wasn’t afraid to get hit hard, didn’t throw her authority around and showed the only change in personality of the 4. When I heard the words that the other 3 were official black belts, it literally made me sick to my stomach. I quit “TaeKwonDo” that day. All the bullshit surrounding taekwondo is a lie, its not a way of life, its not 2000 years old, its all a lie.

The picture says it all.

On another note, its not to say that a person with taekwondo training can’t fight. I’ve been fighting kids from my highschool with mma rules, and to be honest most of them have just given up after being kicked in the legs..stomach and even the head. I’ve used bjj on occasion if I get taken down…but to be honest, I usually just use taekwondo techniques.

But I refuse to be part of anything that calls a 9 year old girl a “master.”>

Post: Hengest:

Kyorgi: I wasn’t aware of any of this. I realise we’ve not always seen eye to eye on TKD, but it’s still a shame you had cause to become so disillusioned. That said, your decision to stand by your principles deserves respect.>

Post: Haas:

A black belt in Tae kwon do dose not symbolize a master you know, there is a saying at my school that all the training up until black belt is as if you are sharpening a pencil all training from there on is as though you are learning how to wright.

now also my school wouldnt let the 9 year old become a black belt untill shes 18.>

Post: zefff:

Quote:
When I heard the words that the other 3 were official black belts, it literally made me sick to my stomach. I quit “TaeKwonDo” that day. All the bullshit surrounding taekwondo is a lie, its not a way of life, its not 2000 years old, its all a lie.

:lol: :lol:

Hey Kyorgi, you ‘fight’ MMA with other kids??? …you mean you spar yeah? Are you still doing BJJ? Have you ever thought about the Philipino arts at all? I am sure you would enjoy the empty hand stuff if you found a good class…its not all just stick twirling you know ;)>

Post: bamboo:

Quote:
It is a little odd. It seems odd non TKD people hang out in the Korean section, but it is a little slow on the forum so I guess that is the reason for that.

I practice martial arts in general, if I can learn something from the korean section then great.

Kyorgi- Best of luck in your new journey.>

Post: dscott:

That’s great Zefff :lol: That’s sort of the picture I had in my head in the first place because didn’t someone here used to call Kyorgi “young Padawan” or something like that? Was it Panta?

Anyway, Kyorgi, you shouldn’t just give up on martial arts all together and fight in school. I also think that you’d like the Philipino arts. Give other schools a shot and see if something else floats your boat. Even Muay Thai maybe because you’re already well versed in a kicking art like TKD.>

Post: shurite44:

Ok, well sounds like by unanimous decision amongst the experts here that TKD sucks and the discus is an Olympic martial art. LOL

Ok, press on with your discussion experts of the forum. LOL.

I sure am happy I tune in here occasionally and get the real info. :)>

Post: shurite44:

[quote=Haas 
now also my school wouldnt let the 9 year old become a black belt untill shes 18.[/quote 

Good idea, now she will quit or go to another school. Or better yet, enter green through brown belt division in TKD tournaments for 9 years sandbagging her way to many victories over others who received their black belts in 3 years and compete at a higher level of competition.

I put this claim in the same vein as “At my school only one out of ten thousand make it to black belt”. LOL. Put that on your resume when you are trying to get a job training people for a skill.>

Post: shurite44:

Oh, I forgot.

Back to the regularly scheduled TKD bashing thread. You moderators on this forum should be proud. I bet Korean martial artists just flock here to hear the good news. LOL.

What a joke.>

Post: dscott:

[quote=shurite44 Ok, well sounds like by unanimous decision amongst the experts here that TKD sucks and the discus is an Olympic martial art. LOL

Ok, press on with your discussion experts of the forum. LOL.

I sure am happy I tune in here occasionally and get the real info. :)[/quote 

>

Post: zefff:

No need to be facetious Shurite. I noticed another post of yours in the roundhouse thread where even you differenciate between sport/Olympic TKD and real self defence technique. This is the gripe people have!…Look at TKD contests in the olympics and tell how can that not invite ridicule when offered up as a viable alternative to other kick boxing-esque styles for self defence.

IMHO there is nothing wrong with TKD as a sport but TKD as a self defence system is flawed. I have a good life-long friend who is a genetic freak and has studied TKD from an early age but even he has had to address the side on stance and inadequate boxing to name just two things.

Its not a unanimous decision either. Notice Haas said his bit but noone savaged him for defending TKD. You are free and welcome to say what you like here but expect to be challenged on it. Whats wrong with that? I know there must be some TKD exponents out there training ‘the right way’ and if you are one then tell us about it! Like Bamboo said, we can learn from you and you will also be helping other TKD students who come across your words.

Drop the ego and use honesty rather than mockery.

peace>

Post: Haas:

[quote=shurite44 Ok, well sounds like by unanimous decision amongst the experts here that TKD sucks and the discus is an Olympic martial art. LOL

Ok, press on with your discussion experts of the forum. LOL.

I sure am happy I tune in here occasionally and get the real info. :)[/quote 

What are you talking about Tae Kwon Do is Awsome.>

Post: shurite44:

[quote=Haas [quote=shurite44 Ok, well sounds like by unanimous decision amongst the experts here that TKD sucks and the discus is an Olympic martial art. LOL

Ok, press on with your discussion experts of the forum. LOL.

I sure am happy I tune in here occasionally and get the real info. :)[/quote 

What are you talking about Tae Kwon Do is Awsome.[/quote 

I agree, I am on your side. Just being a little sarcastic.

I love TKD, and I have practiced quite a few MA’s. Some are better than others in different areas that is for sure. But when it comes to self defense it is more the person than the art. Trust me I know many TKD guys that can take care of themselves quite well.

Anyway, like I said very good to at least see some interest in here about TKD.

Also TKD schools are like many other MA schools. Many are eclectic in nature when I comes to self protection, they borrow from other disciplines like ju-jitsu. Actually I have found TKD schools in general do this more often than not. This is probably due to the heavy leaning towards sport in the TKD community.

I personally do not practice specifically for self protection unless I am in the dojo and the instructor is showing something. Just not that interested in it, but I understand why many are. It is practical way to look at things. My primary instructor is primarily concerned with self protection, but he is not a TKD guy.

But I am 47, I have been hitting the bag, sparring, wrestling and lifting weights for 35 years. I was in the military for 22 years and did enough fighting to last my lifetime. I am six foot tall and weigh 240 pounds. In general I am not a likely target for a mugging, LOL. Not that it will not happen to me someday but so far no one seems to look at me as easy prey, LOL.

For me what motivates me to keep practicing mostly is the comradery at practice, and training for an event. If getting in a fight was my motivation to practice I don’t think it would inspire me much. Now if I were a 100 pound woman I would definitely look at self protection differently. Just the way I look at the world I guess.

Also I do not mind people disagreeing with me on a forum. I do not get angry or call people names, but I do stand up for what I think. I try to do this politely, so if I offended anyone on here sorry. I like this forum, but I challenge anyone to read through the Korean section and try to get through a thread without finding a gratuitous insult about TKD.

I don’t come to the other sections and do this myself, so I expect the same from others. Again no finger pointing here, in general the active members here do not do this. And I have seen places where the moderators have deleted or given pink belts I applaud you all for that.

That reminds me of a story by the way.

I was running a dojo in a small city back in the mid 80’s and I decided to structure the belt system in our school a little different. Well needless to say the students were no too happy with an extra 2 belt colors and two extra stripes on every belt. But I did this so I could fine tune the program a little, give it more short term goals and hopefully keep people training harder. I did not charge for tests so my intentions really were for improvement of the training program.

Well anyway make a long story short, for Christmas that year my students bought me a heavy weight TKD uniform. But to my dismay it had a pink belt wrapped around it. LOL.

Sorry about the long post.>

Post: shurite44:

Oh, I forgot. Lets get back to bashing TKD, this thread is getting off topic again. LOL.>

Post: zefff:

Quote:
Many are eclectic in nature when I comes to self protection, they borrow from other disciplines like ju-jitsu. Actually I have found TKD schools in general do this more often than not. This is probably due to the heavy leaning towards sport in the TKD community.

I personally do not practice specifically for self protection unless I am in the dojo and the instructor is showing something. Just not that interested in it…

8O 8O 8O

I quoted what you posted because I found it really interesting. Im not going to go on about it though.

Thanks for your post Shurite. Feel free to bash anything in any thread. I have only been here for a couple of years but I’ve seen almost every art bashed including the trendy ones like BJJ and MT – you only have to search Setsu Nin to’s posts :lol: I study Wing Chun and Escrima which have both been bashed for having delusional training methods. Various Kung fu styles, Aikido, Karate, Ninjitsu, Systema, Hapkido etc all got bashed here from time to time yet we have members who practice the arts and are willing to exchange ideas and see how they stack up against their goals.

Bash away mate! Intelligent bashing is good and even if you wont do it you cant stop others from doing it. This martial arts not ettiquette arts.

peace>

Post: bamboo:

I practiced one the most bashed styles of all time, take it all in stride, its only the interweb.

BTW- the ones doing most of the TKD bashing have actually attained significant rank in just that art. I bash the history and the local training methods because both are a joke.>

Post: dscott:

Although I agree with Zefff saying that most arts have been bashed, I can honestly say that I don’t think I’ve seen anyone bash Muay Thai. Can anyone else? Just curious.>

Post: shurite44:

Oh I take it in stride trust me. But if people attack TKD in the Korean MA section they need to expect some disagreement. tit for tat as they say. Bashing with immunity at least today is not accepted. LOL

I think what you guys really need to decide on here is do you want a legitimate Korean MA section or do you just want a place you can go to make fun of people.

But I do have to admit at least someone is posting in here. I guess bashing is better than nothing. LOL

Remember this thread is about TKD bashing after all.>

Post: shurite44:

Also I would like to know where you guys got this private pic of me. That really makes me mad. :x>

Post: shurite44:

At least this is getting my post count up, LOL.

How about a promotion on the old avatar. :lol:>

Post: bamboo:

Quote:
How about a promotion on the old avatar.

In due time kind sir.
Actually, its automated and tied to post count unless its a pinky award given out by Matt. :wink:

-bamboo>

Post: shurite44:

Yea I was just kidding about the promotion. And I certainly don’t want another pink belt on my record.>

Post: zefff:

[quote=dscott Although I agree with Zefff saying that most arts have been bashed, I can honestly say that I don’t think I’ve seen anyone bash Muay Thai. Can anyone else? Just curious.[/quote 

Well Iron Monkey/8limbScientist took a lot of ribbing so that’ll do! Actually I remember a mega-thread on the old site about blocking the MT roundhouse that raised a few points.>

Post: bamboo:

You had one here?>

Post: shurite44:

[quote=bamboo You had one here?[/quote 

No, I guess you missed my story about the pink belt. Not sure where I posted it now, I did so many posts in the last couple days. Just a story I posted on here about my students giving me a pink belt.>

Post: Kyorgi:

Who ever said I was quitting martial arts…
I still do BJJ, and upon graduation I plan to practice at a different school when I go to college. One of the colleges that I’m looking at has a kyokushin school which is interesting me, that same college also has a FMA school…chyeah on the filipino arts.>

Post: Hengest:

[quote=shurite44 Ok, well sounds like by unanimous decision amongst the experts here that TKD sucks and the discus is an Olympic martial art. LOL

Ok, press on with your discussion experts of the forum. LOL.

I sure am happy I tune in here occasionally and get the real info.[/quote 

[quote=shurite44 Oh, I forgot. Lets get back to bashing TKD, this thread is getting off topic again. LOL.[/quote 

If you read the thread again, I think you’ll see that this thread is not an invitation to bash TKD, but a discussion of why TKD bashing occurs. Nobody has come out with the “TKD is gay” type remarks that are so common on other sites (*cough*bullsihdo*cough*). Most of the posts have been fairly reasoned as far as I can see, whether you agree with them or not.

If you find a post that you believe moderators should remove, please let us know. Otherwise, I fail to see the justification for your remarks.>

Post: shurite44:

I could pick through the section a post plenty of gratuitous insults. But everyone here already knows that. I mean use some sense here, why do you think he started the thread in the first place. Because of all the praise TKD receives here, I doubt it. I am not going to devote the time to that, sorry, it is hunting season. I don’t really want to wallow around in that sort of negativity anyway. Depresses me a little. Only reason I am so active right now is it has been raining here, LOL. I am a fair weather hunter.

I wish more TKD people would join in the discussions, I think the bashing would probably stop at that point anyway. People tend to hold the insults when they know the other members will jump their a$$es about it.

And I am not talking about the majority of the posts either. A post that is on topic and critical is more than welcome I would think. I really don’t see much that would rise to the level of needing to be deleted or edited. Still some comments are just bashing, I don’t see the point of that.

If not, well no skin off my nose. I am not the ones trying to run a forum. I am just a member who enjoys reading the posts. At this point in my life I am retired from all endeavors that require work or unpleasantness. LOL. I fish, hunt, screw, eat, and work out. That’s my job now and I don’t have time to mess up the schedule. :lol:

In fairness to the moderators though, I do think I was wrong to give them sh!t. After reading through all my normal sections I do see they are policing the forum very well, much better than I remember from the last time I was here.>

Post: Hengest:

[quote=shurite44 I could pick through the section a post plenty of gratuitous insults. But everyone here already knows that. I mean use some sense here, why do you think he started the thread in the first place. [/quote 

In all fairness, the thread is several months old. Nobody has seen fit to complain about TKD bashing since, as far as I’m aware, which suggests to me that it’s no longer a problem.

[quote=shurite44 And I am not talking about the majority of the posts either. A post that is on topic and critical is more than welcome I would think. I really don’t see much that would rise to the level of needing to be deleted or edited. Still some comments are just bashing, I don’t see the point of that. [/quote 

Neither do I, but, as you say, there’s not a lot mods can do about that without becoming “post-nazis”.

[quote=shurite44 In fairness to the moderators though, I do think I was wrong to give them sh!t. After reading through all my normal sections I do see they are policing the forum very well, much better than I remember from the last time I was here.[/quote 

Maybe you should have checked that out before ?>

Post: shurite44:

Yes I should have. The timing on these forums screw me up sometimes. I need to look at the dates I guess. LOL.>

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