Chinese Kenpo?: Old Forum Topic

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Chinese Kenpo?: Old Forum Topic
Original Poster: setsu nin to
Forum: Kung Fu Styles, Chinese Martial Arts
Posted On: 13-03-2004, 15:58

Orginal Post: setsu nin to: Chinese Kenpo?

*Gong*Sao*
This is something I’ve been thinking about for a while now. A lot of the places I’ve seen advertised (and even visited) claim to teach Chinese or sometimes Shaolin Kenpo. I won’t pretend that I know everything about CMA, but to me this just screams McDojo, for the same reason as the Shaolin Do schools. Kenpo = Japanese, Chinese = Not Japanese (obviously). Does anyone here know enough about this to clarify? Is it just a term used for a similar style? That would seem pretty disrespectful to one’s lineage. Is it just made up? Any help would be appreciated.
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DeStRuCtIkOn
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Originally posted by Mustapha Mond
This is something I’ve been thinking about for a while now. A lot of the places I’ve seen advertised (and even visited) claim to teach Chinese or sometimes Shaolin Kenpo. I won’t pretend that I know everything about CMA, but to me this just screams McDojo, for the same reason as the Shaolin Do schools. Kenpo = Japanese, Chinese = Not Japanese (obviously). Does anyone here know enough about this to clarify? Is it just a term used for a similar style? That would seem pretty disrespectful to one’s lineage. Is it just made up? Any help would be appreciated.

Ed Parker made American Kempo or whatever it was called, but supposedly had a large Chinese influence. It’s possible that these fellows followed in his footsteps but decided it was more fitting to use the title of Chinese Kempo due to its influences.

There’s a sub-ryu of Goju ryu Karate made by a guy whose name escapes me at the moment called “Chinese Goju Ryu.” It’s actually American, I believe, but again supposedly has a large Chinese influence.

This doesn’t really answer your question, and these guys may be McDojoists, but it shows that a simple issue of titles does not necessarily make it fraudulent. I’d suggest looking into the issue further.
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thebgbb
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Originally posted by Mustapha Mond
This is something I’ve been thinking about for a while now. A lot of the places I’ve seen advertised (and even visited) claim to teach Chinese or sometimes Shaolin Kenpo. I won’t pretend that I know everything about CMA, but to me this just screams McDojo, for the same reason as the Shaolin Do schools. Kenpo = Japanese, Chinese = Not Japanese (obviously). Does anyone here know enough about this to clarify? Is it just a term used for a similar style? That would seem pretty disrespectful to one’s lineage. Is it just made up? Any help would be appreciated.

Juijitsu = Japanese, Brazilian = Not Japanese (obviously).

Sorry, just had to throw that little jab into your logic.

A agree, though, that it sounds pretty McDojo. Like Ashida Kim’s name (Japanese first name with a Korean surname). The best thing to do is visit the school and decide based on their training method. An instructor could decide to call his art “Egg Foo Yung” for all I care. If the training method is strong, and he puts out good fighters, then that is more than enough for me.
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*Gong*Sao*
If it were just one school, it would be easy to resolve, but the odd thing is that three of the schools I talked to (out of about six) said that, and I’ve even seen posts by people (not on this forum) saying that’s what they study. It’s like some sort of new fad or something.

Besides, I’m pretty sure that jujutsu/jujitsu is the Japanese word, and Jiu Jitsu is the Brazilian adaptation, but I’m not positive. My Japanese isn’t so hot .
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gong|fu|disciple
Yeah I checked out a U.S.S.D. Shaolin Kempo Dojo once and it was incredibly lame and McDojo. What was even worse was the price they were asking for instruction…$275 a month!
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*Gong*Sao*
That was one of the schools I was talking about . $275 is ridiculous; the one I went to charged a much more reasonable $165 . The guy claimed that it was because they had the best training; sorry but I’ll stick with the Ba Gua masters in Monterey Park and Hawkins Cheung .
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PTK_PITBULL!16
There is a legit system called Chinese Kenpo. You may or may not have heard of National Chinese Kenpo Karate Association, if you have, then perhaps you should check with them on those schools that you see. They maybe independant schoolls not at all associated with NCKKA.If they are not, then they may not be teaching the true curriculum, therefore that is why, it seems like a mc dojo..

Yes, Chinese Kenpo does have chinese influence from it, paticularly from the five animals kung fu system. the reason that it has a Japanese connection , andjapanese name, is because buddhist missionaries travled to other other countrys such as korea, JAPAN, etc. Also in the 18 th century china and japan were engaged in trade both culturly, and material. At THAT time, a senior member of the Mitose clan travleed to china to the shaolin temple to study martial arts where he remained for many years. When he came back to japan he introduced the art Chuan Fa , which he called Kenpo

The art was practiced and passed down the mitose family, until James Mitose who lived in Hawaii in 1940 started to teach publibly. He was the teach of William Chow, or ” Profesor Chow” who while taking other martial arts from his side of the family took over classes. He was the teacher of Ed Parker. From chow, parker developed the kenpo (american) the we come to know today.
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PTK_PITBULL!16
P.S. The techniques in Chinese and American kenpo are very similair, though they are really set apart from the weopons sets..
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gong|fu|disciple
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Originally posted by Mustapha Mond
That was one of the schools I was talking about . $275 is ridiculous; the one I went to charged a much more reasonable $165 . The guy claimed that it was because they had the best training; sorry but I’ll stick with the Ba Gua masters in Monterey Park and Hawkins Cheung .

LOL omg they all try and pull the same salesman bullshit with the “We’ve got the BEST training around! *they smile and a tooth gleams like in a cartoon*”

They’re the worst, right up there with Shaolin-Do.

I’m currently taking classes from Tom Wong in Monterey Park. Hes pretty amazing and definately worth checking out. You start off with only 1 class a week, but the instruction is very personal and the class size is quite small. You might want to consider training with him for awhlie as well since he would also be within your driving range. Hes listed in the masters section of wingchunkuen.com at http://www.wingchunkuen.com/who/masters/index.html. Hes right after Wong Shun Leung and before Yip Ching. He teaches Yuen Kay San Wing Chun, Desui and Tai Chi. Once you complete the beginning class you can apply for the instructor course which is supposed to be stunningly intense. They say its the cramming of 10 years hardcore training into 2 years! These classes are obviously held more than once a week.

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*Gong*Sao*
Thanks for the tip; I don’t plan on buying a car until this summer but when I get back down there I’ll definitely look into training with him. In case you were still interested in internal styles, there’s a world renowned master of imperial style Bagua teaching in Monterey Park as well named Gong Zhong Xiang I believe.
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MartialArtist
Destruction you must be thinking of one of my favorites THE BLACK DRAGON RON VAN CLIEF who fought in the UFC when he was 50! even though he lost to Gracie that guy was just too good on the ground
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