hey, evil scott’s old wc place made a new video

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hey, evil scott’s old wc place made a new video
Original Poster: Stg
Forum: Kung Fu Styles, Chinese Martial Arts
Posted On: 18-02-2005, 18:29

Orginal Post: Stg: http://www.syracusewingchun.com/mogongkau3.wmv

where is that dude anyway?

Post: setsu nin to:

nice video, thanks!

I really dont know where he is, I didnt see him for some time.>

Post: Bushi:

I thought the video sucked, but I really don’t like Wing Chun, so I’m bias.>

Post: bamboo:

I’m more with bushi on this one but I too am a little biased. Quite some time ago I contacted “anthony sifu” asking rather politely why he had a picture of the Dalai Lama in his wing chun studio.. I was wondering what the connection was? It was not a challenge nor was it worded in way to be taken as such, I remember making a point of “emptying my cup” to ask the question.

What I recieved was a very rude “lecture” and was turned off at that point. Add the “pax bacculum” or whatever its called forum run by one of his students (Phil Sharpe?) and I ended up with a very sour taste in my mouth.

I have no idea if thier training is relevant, but based on the writings I have read and thier “superiour attitude” , I find anithing I see or read from this group to be sour. I know I should be unbiased and look with fresh eyes, but I guess thats my own ego shining through.

cheers,
bamboo>

Post: dscott:

I didn’t think it was that bad. I’m curious, Bushi and Bamboo, what do you think is wrong with it (besides the fact that it’s basically Wing Chun)?>

Post: Bushi:

The video is a highlight vid that tries to give the impression of “alive” sparring, but if you watch, the stuff is rehearsed. The ground work looks stolen from BJJ or Sub Grappling, but I can tell they probably claim it isn’t. I for one hate chain punches and that textbook WC trapping garbage. It works on another WC, WT, VT (whatever) guy, but I have yet to see it work against anyone else (Karateka, Kempoist, Boxer, name it) unless they just suck.

I don’t know, I just don’t like WC. It seems like 60% of your overall training is working on things that just seem useless. I’m not one of those “MMA rules the world” kind of guys either, but I just find WC schools like that silly looking.

Once again, just my opinion. Your mileage may vary.>

Post: zefff:

I cant see it untill Monday cos I dont have the Panther OS at home (long story). But I know that WC promotional videos never/extremely rarely contain anything designed to attract students with any decent previous MA experience.

A lot of WC schools seem to suffer from the problem of forgeting that the aim is to cause pain and end fights quickly. The style of fighting cannot be all conquering and totally effective if it only includes defence tactics alone. This is the big problem for a HUGE amount of WC people wether they like it or not. It is a style of fighting FFS! I havent seen the vid yet but I will have a crack on Monday.

TBH I feel like I am almost done with WC today because the more of it I learn, I feel the less of it I use in sparring. TBH I dont know what to think…..I guess I am all for natural movement. Personally I use WC from a loose boxing stance.

However I do think that a lot of people who train WC are putting the art before themself. In my mind this is ridiculous and I think this is why bogus WC is widespread. If Im honest when peoiple ask me what arts I do I feel sick to tell them WC. Why? Because the amount of times Ive come across other WC guys who are delusioned its ridiculous!…its like WC classes are like star trek conventions FFS! I dunno, I’ll check the vid on monday….God forbid its another ‘feat’ vid. I want to see some sparring! when is a fame seeking WC aficionado gonna admit that its all about sweat and hard work and the methods are basically unorthadox street boxing?>

Post: zefff:

Edited because of silly mistakes in mt typing. :oops:

Bushi I aint seen the vid yet but I just saw your post so I’ll answer it. I doubt (and prey) that the sparring is NOT rehearsed…if it is I will join you in the hateration parade but most likely it is limited rules or the fighters have restraint and because they always spar like that they will fight like that.

Yes WC does not have groundwork at all but the main priciples will carry across. If anyone claims that WC has groundwork they are chatting shit as whats the point of saying a style has summat if you are not polishing it regularly, if at all? …I think it would be like saying BJJ has good striking! :wink:

Chain punches – because this is one of the first thing a WC man learns its the first thing he will chat about. If they then leave WC they take it with them and its all they can chat about cos its all they know about WC. It is a very basic thing designed to bother an opponent and keep him on the back foot for a second while you prep summat more serious…Imagine if boxing had no rules….the consectutive jab would still be effective for its job but it would not be as prominent as it is without a points system in place. The other punches and footwork would be much more important in a 100 round anything goes fight.

Trapping – people come to WC classes expecting some magic shit! The truth is fighting is instant maths that you only have one chance to prove. The sad fact is that most WC practioners are freaky nerds and ego driven knobs who cant handle a smack in the face. The point of WC is to hurt quickly but these nerds see the art before the objective mand so lose sight of it because of their ego or delusion. People need to realise fighting is for fighters. Although I realise we all have the instincts not all have an aptitude or tolerance for it. It is sad to see someone ‘seeking the bridge’ while you puch them in the chops. Trapping does work for me but it has a time and place and WC practioners need to realise that it is NOT the point of WC at all. If it was there would be a trapping form! :lol:

Fighting other arts – It seems WC artists are bound by the art and because they have a preconcieved idea of the art they put this first and try to emulate it. Any successful artist regardless of his art has to be honest to himself first to be successful IMHO. It seems to me that most of the WC spokespersons on the internet seem to want to portray the idea or have only a little faux knowledge. If I spar with a boxer it is not WC versus boxing…its me versus him. If I run him over in my car I win! :mrgreen: ….but seriousley, the reason WC is shit is because of the students it attracts…that and yes that it is a partial art…as are most nowadays.

Peace.>

Post: setsu nin to:

I watch it again now trying to finde that sparring, but there is no sparring on that video. These guys just practice, nothing more.
Well they put few totaly unimportant things like that kick on begining, but they put it just to make it more attractive.>

Post: setsu nin to:

Also its obvious that they dont teach pure WC, they mix it with BJJ, Filipino stick arts, there was even some boxing….>

Post: Stg:

that’s because they don’t just teach wc there, they also teach jkd and hung ga>

Post: bamboo:

For me its simply because I have seen much better demonstrations of the art itself.
I think WC suffers much of the same image problem as aikido or systema does in that there are so many ineffective practitioners that practice in a fantasy world that other MAs view the whole as bad. Given that opinon, it takes a very high quality demonstration to impress most people.

Martial arts are like beer, some are dark, some have lots of froth, some are too hoppy and some are lite. Its the rare examples nurtured over time with proven quality that are always the best.

-bamboo>

Post: dscott:

Quote:
Martial arts are like beer, some are dark, some have lots of froth, some are too hoppy and some are lite. Its the rare examples nurtured over time with proven quality that are always the best.

I’ve noticed that alot of your posts have something to do with beer. :lol:>

Post: bamboo:

Quote:
I’ve noticed that alot of your posts have something to do with beer.

Indeed. :wink: At the moment its 6pm on a quiet sunday evening, I’ve just opened a nice cold StaroPramen and was trying to think of an example as to what I meant…..beer was on hand…and well…guess thats what came out. :wink:

-cheers (bamboo lifts glass to Dscott)>

Post: setsu nin to:

In my opinion bigest probles with WC is same problem that moust styles have and that is wrong masters, Senseis and Sifus. To many people learn some art for few years and than open their new school, or study stily taking knowledgw only or moust from videos… You cant finde bigger town in Eu or US that dont haveplace where you may learn Jujutsu or TKD or WC or MT/Kickboxing or some mix of all of it. There are just too many “experts”.

Its just my opinion and it dont have nothing with WC school showen in video.>

Post: 8LimbsScientist:

I liked the vid. You have to see it for what it is, its a promotional vid. You have to admit, its very neat looking. Now, there was absolutely no footage of actual sparring, so we don’t really know if they really spar or not.

Wing Chun is fine, but I never totally understood the thing about only attacking the centerline…like no hooks or roundkicks in the entire art. I understand simplicity makes it easier to pick up, but isn’t this limiting? When I’m sparring, I mix things up between teeps (straightline) and roundkicks…if I had to work with kicks that only went in straight lines I’m afraid my opponent would “solve” my style really quickly and then I’d be in trouble.>

Post: Blade:

What specific things are useless? in general do you find in wc training.
found it funny the sifu worked like a boxer on the bag.>

Post: dscott:

I don’t know about the other people here on the site that train in WC but I don’t train strictly in WC. I train in a bunch of things depending on my range. If I’m far away, I use kickboxing/boxing. If I’m at close range, I use WC.>

Post: zefff:

Hooray! I just saw the vid. Its a promotional vid obviously showing what and how they train, I dont think its garbage at all but it does show they have a diverse curriculum like Stg and Setsu said. A lot of what is in the vid is not WC at all. There is no sparring at all in the vid either. That is cool with me but what I love to see is flowing technique. They should be showing how they develop flow and attributes more than anything IMO. Rather than show “yeah we do arm bars too”, it would be nice to see them all, not just a couple of guys flowing into it from the stand up stuff. There is nothing wrong with cross training. Im sure its not like Bushi said. I cant see them not ackwoledging where the subs techniques came from.

The best promotional vids for me are where you see a wide shot of the whole gym and everyone is working like a demon. I love them because they show you what the atmosphere is like in the grand scheme of things rather than intricate details. I want to see everyone training in the same way, not just the instructor showing what he can do but show us what he can do for the students. People love to show physical skills in vids…I love to see teaching skills.

I cant talk about their WC because they didnt really show any in the clip but it looks like a fun class….hate those weak standup bags though. They are for kids, they got to go!

Also judging by the vid, it seems possible they dont spar with the sticks because no footwork was in evidence.

….man Im NEVER gonna put up a vid of myself! :lol:

edit: 8limbs. Im sure there is hooks in WC….its my favourite punch man!>

Post: dscott:

Quote:
I cant talk about their WC because they didnt really show any in the clip but it looks like a fun class….hate those weak standup bags though. They are for kids, they got to go!

That was the worst part of the video. They opened up with it like they were trying to say that kicking one of those bags over is something tough.

Bushi & Bamboo: I’m just interested. Have you ever tried any WC? Or are you basing all of your views simply on readings and video clips?>

Post: bamboo:

Dscott:

Although I have no formal training experience, I have learned sticky hands from a local group and have done some exploration of center line through them. Before finding the good group, I went through 2 others that were in my opinion training in a fantasy world. I think its important to explore other arts to better understand your own. The reason I sought out the WC group was that our dojo uses a “sticky hands” practice similar to that of WC for center line sensitivity training, that being said I went to the “source” for a better understanding.

Given that experience, my cousin is a 10 year WC practitioner and I have had the benefit of playing sticky hands with him several times a year. He has really shown me what to feel and look for in a good WC practitioner, at least as much as you can in that sort of environment. I also crossed hands briefly with PANTA, (and he thought aikidoka will not be the aggressor :wink: )

Like I said in my original post, I am slightly biased against this group due to personal interaction.

I am not against WC as a whole, just the groups that use the “too deadly” excuses or have the big attitudes.

cheers,

bamboo>

Post: bamboo:

To address specifically what I did not like:

Whenever I saw a take down, the person performing it looked off balance and as if they would be taken down if the person falling “held on”, as well, looking at the hands when working what I believe was chi sau. I realize its a demonstration and choreographed, so I think there really is no reason to be at all wobbly or even slightly off balance as the instructor.

The sifu (anthony) looks like he has some decent boxing skills and has a strong grasp of what he is doing, when it was the students…..it just did not look too good. A teacher is often judged by his/her senior students, not thier own skills as its important to be able to transmit those skills as well as being able to do them yourself. For the record, Anthony sifu looks like he knows what he’s doing, I simply did not think it was that great a representation of the art of WC.

Its just my opinion, again, I’ve never trained with these guys so for all I know they could be WC gods, I can only critique a video.

-bamboo>

Post: zefff:

that is what I keep saying! I dont give a damn about skills! I dont go training to check out your skills, I go to develop my own! You could be the worst fighter ever but if you can teach and know whats worth teaching then I will respect that. The skills of a teacher are shown throught the students and not his own limbs IMHO.>

Post: dscott:

http://www.syracusewingchun.com/newschool.html

What gets me is the stances. Their stances seem waaaaay too wide. The way I root is by having my knees bent inward. They should be approx a fist width apart. The way to test this is occassionally my instructor walks by and kick up towards our crotch. If it slips through, we’re too wide.

A good way to get in this position is by starting with your feet together and knees bent. Then keep your heels together and point your toes outward. Then keep the front of your feet in that spot and move your heels outward. This will cause your feet to be shoulder width apart and your knees pointed inward. Then you pop your hip out a little.

Zefff: Maybe you can give me your opinion. Hell, maybe I’m doing it wrong.>

Post: zefff:

yes you are right about the wide stance but I dont want to start talking about YJKYM because I dont like it anyway and I will get into trouble. :D>

Post: Stg:

it seems to me, if you compare this new vid to the old one, that this place is taking more of a jkdish approach to the way they fight, what with the grappling and kali and boxing.maybe they’re slowly abandoning wc?

edit: woo! i’m finally a purple belt! :D>

Post: dscott:

YJKYM??? I know you don’t want to get into it but what does this mean?>

Post: Bushi:

[quote=dscott 

Bushi & Bamboo: I’m just interested. Have you ever tried any WC? Or are you basing all of your views simply on readings and video clips?[/quote 

I did a little back in college before I joined the Corps. Auburn University 94-95. Bruce Jolly (JKDC) had an affiliate club there that was also affliated with Francis Fong out of Atlanta.

The above mentioned + other practitioners + videos/clips + theory books = my current beliefs concerning the effectiveness of WC.>

Post: Blade:

in my school we dont have our kneed bent inward like you see in some places,
its diffrent approach, different teacher, not neceserily bad
about the other things which arent direct wingchun i cant comment hehe>

Post: setsu nin to:

Well as I know hooks are first used in WC by Bruce Lee. He take hooks from boxing, but befor that WC didnt used hooks. So today it depende on Sifu and school. I know for few just WC schools where you may learn just WC and they dont use hooks, but in many JKD schools which teach WC too you may finde hooks.>

Post: dscott:

[quote=setsu nin to Well as I know hooks are first used in WC by Bruce Lee. He take hooks from boxing, but befor that WC didnt used hooks. So today it depende on Sifu and school. I know for few just WC schools where you may learn just WC and they dont use hooks, but in many JKD schools which teach WC too you may finde hooks.[/quote 

Therefore, it’s safe to say that WC itself doesn’t have any hooks. JKD has hooks. I’m not sure how many schools out there train in purely WC and don’t include JKD.>

Post: Stg:

yeah. it’s rare to find jkd schools that use wc in thier curriculum though, most places now teach jkd as mma with “traditional/static” training methods( not as much/no “aliveness” compared to something like the sbgi). the old school jkd places with wc in there are very low profile. personally i’m kind of torn between opinions on wc- sometimes i see wc people using stuff that looks very effective( and i HAVE used some concepts and techniques from wc that work ok for me), sometimes i see wc that looks flat out ineffective in fights, no offense. i suppose i would train in it, but only if i had no other options available to me(i count mcdojos and styles that seem mcdojoish like tkd as no other option).>

Post: setsu nin to:

In my opinion WC is effective/uneffective as almoust any other martial art. But as I said before in my opinion main problem is becouse many people open WC schools and dont have enought of knowledge about it. Thats case with moust WC schools where Sifus mix it with many other styles in which they are same not good. So some Sifu that is not enought good in WC to open just WC school, that is not enought good in Filipino arts to open just school with Filipino arts but have also some basic knowledge in BJJ, Boxing and few other arts open his own JKD school hiding his limited knowledge in any particular style by offering mix of few styles. Biggest problem is becouse they are anticomercial to many great and truth martial arts as Sifu/Guro Dan Inosanto who did great mix of arts in JFGF (there are some pics with photos of Dan Inosanto and some guys of link that dscott post).>

Post: …formless…:

[quote=8LimbsScientist I liked the vid. You have to see it for what it is, its a promotional vid. You have to admit, its very neat looking. Now, there was absolutely no footage of actual sparring, so we don’t really know if they really spar or not.

Wing Chun is fine, but I never totally understood the thing about only attacking the centerline…like no hooks or roundkicks in the entire art. I understand simplicity makes it easier to pick up, but isn’t this limiting? When I’m sparring, I mix things up between teeps (straightline) and roundkicks…if I had to work with kicks that only went in straight lines I’m afraid my opponent would “solve” my style really quickly and then I’d be in trouble.[/quote 

Actually there are round kicks in Wing Chun. Well, I know round kicks are used and found in my own lineage (Yuen Kay-San/Sum Nung) and I’ve found them to be quite an addition to my kicking abilities. Side kicks are included in the whole shebang as well. I agree, limiting oneself to either the front kick or side kick or even just round kick is a sure way to get figured out by an opponent real quick. In addition, attacks are issued towards someones centerline but not always right along it.

In light of this statement I’d just like to point out that a common problem I see nowadays is people make statements about Wing Chun as an entire art whilst neglecting the fact that there are entire families seperate from Ip Man that they’ve probably never even seen. As a result, judgements about Wing Chun as a whole art are made that simply aren’t the case for other families. Just something for those like Bushi to think about when they talk about their dislike for Wing Chun. Don’t confuse a dislike for someones Wing Chun with a dislike for the art as a whole because 99% of the time that dislike is based upon experiences with a limited number of families that can hardly represent the art as a whole. Trust me, some lineages of Wing Chun are like entirely seperate styles!>

Post: Blade:

there is an uppercut, there is a hook, but they follow the same principles as the straight punch its about and knowing how to apply the principles to everything and im not just saying pretty words it works! you’d prolly laugh if you see my training my punching power, i stand in the spot, raise my arm high and let it fall down.
then i come to class and work on the pads and i see my punching power has increased greatly, straight punches, uppercuts, elbows.
my chi-sao also improved thanks to this practice.. it effected all my skills and techniques. why ? i trained to loose my body by standing for an hour and letting my arms drop from a height…funny ?.
this is just one example, the thing is you could do many things which dont look like formal wingchun but are perfefctly wingchun, that could be ground work, low kicks and anything else,>

Post: zefff:

[quote=dscott YJKYM??? I know you don’t want to get into it but what does this mean?[/quote 

yi gee kim yeung ma. The front-on stance.

Formless is right about WC but even in Yip man WC there is loads of differences in practice. I have been to classes that would make me think WC is crap, its all down to how its taught and if the art is put before specific attribute development of the students. I am more important to myself than the WC system.

WC is a system that has limits and also limits the practioner to reject free, natural movement as most arts do. This is why I would prefer to understand the limits and why they are there, consume the art then forget about it and get back to freedom.>

Post: Bushi:

[quote=…formless… … for those like Bushi to think about when they talk about their dislike for Wing Chun. Don’t confuse a dislike for someones Wing Chun with a dislike for the art as a whole because 99% of the time that dislike is based upon experiences with a limited number of families that can hardly represent the art as a whole. Trust me, some lineages of Wing Chun are like entirely seperate styles![/quote 

Try not to take offense. I do not like WC, VT, WT or VC. I think their lineage wars are silly, their stances are silly, their strikes are silly and their trapping is silly. It would not matter if I saw/met all the family heads and they all gave me a demo. Some people do not like Rap/Hip Hop music (I am one) and some people do. I love Judo/Jujutsu/Jiu-jitsu, some hate it, and its okay. This is just my opinion, based on my training, experience and knowledge of the art.

Once again, its just my opinion, OTHERS MILEAGE MAY VARY.

Thanks again,

Bushi>

Post: setsu nin to:

I totaly understand guys which dont like WC. I actualy didnt like it for long time, realy long time. Now I like it. It was “I do not like it”, “I do not like it”, “I dont like it”, “I dont like it”, “I nt like it” and in the end “I like it” :mrgreen:

I for example dont like moust styles of Karate, I dont like BJJ, I dont like Savate… but thats just personal and thats all.>

Post: …formless…:

[quote=Bushi [quote=…formless… … for those like Bushi to think about when they talk about their dislike for Wing Chun. Don’t confuse a dislike for someones Wing Chun with a dislike for the art as a whole because 99% of the time that dislike is based upon experiences with a limited number of families that can hardly represent the art as a whole. Trust me, some lineages of Wing Chun are like entirely seperate styles![/quote 

Try not to take offense. I do not like WC, VT, WT or VC. I think their lineage wars are silly, their stances are silly, their strikes are silly and their trapping is silly. It would not matter if I saw/met all the family heads and they all gave me a demo. Some people do not like Rap/Hip Hop music (I am one) and some people do. I love Judo/Jujutsu/Jiu-jitsu, some hate it, and its okay. This is just my opinion, based on my training, experience and knowledge of the art.

Once again, its just my opinion, OTHERS MILEAGE MAY VARY.

Thanks again,

Bushi[/quote 

I understand that its your opinion and you’re entitled to it, its just that sort of attitude is pretty sad to hear. Empty your cup now and then and you’d be surprised at what you see.

I’m not taking offense at your dislike for Wing Chun. I’m just trying to get you to realize that what you don’t like shouldn’t be broadly labeled as Wing Chun but rather, the Wing Chun you’ve come into contact with. Again, for example, people like yourself seem to make lots of assumptions about Wing Chun as a whole when they’ve only encountered part of it (e.g. 8limbs statements about hooks and roundkicks) and as a result may potentially think really closeminded things like, “It wouldn’t matter if I saw and met all family heads and they gave me a demo”. Its like I said: judgements about Wing Chun as a whole art are made that simply aren’t the case for other families.

Again, you’re entitled to your own opinion about the Wing Chun you’ve seen and to be honest, I can understand and relate to your dislike in a serious way. Its when you start making assumptions about Wing Chun you haven’t seen that problems arise for me personally and I think, given the fact that most people here are intelligent enough individuals, its not too much to ask for you to realize that your experience with Wing Chun is far too limited to make sweeping assumptions about the style as a whole and its various families.>

Post: Bushi:

Okay, show me a clip of some under appreciated WC and I will be open. Other than that, it’s just how I see the world. Some like Hip-hop, some don’t.

I think it’s garbage.

Try not to take offense.

Try harder.>

Post: zefff:

Bushi mate I will try to get some vids of my WC in action when I go to this UK throwdown soon. The problem I have is that I dont duel/spar with traditional WC movement and tactics. I become like EvilScotts bro in the vid and box more…Mind you I think this may be an issue with the style. It may be that the beginings of practice in WC are concerned with defence before duelling methods. This could be why a lot of seasoned fighters may think it is a poor or lacking art and a lot of intermediate WC practitioners may begin to think the art is designed for defence against yobs and not for duelling.

Anyone remember a couple of clips of Russian VT? I loved those russians who just beat the shizzle out of each other! It wasnt pretty and form went out the window but they were aggressive and I think it was a really good thing that they were taught to be that way. Will have to search for the links and prey they arent dead.>

Post: Blade:

yah but if they want to do that theyr better off learning mma :\
whats the point in training wingchun then fighting like mma wanabes>

Post: zefff:

Arent we all learning mixed martial arts? :mrgreen: You CANNOT change the reality of a threatening situation to suite your preferences. We all have to mix it a little, to survive we have to be adaptable…not to say that MMA is THE way.

I hear you Blade and you are probably right if talking about ‘Martial arts’ but if we are talking about effective fighting their can only be one best or ultimately successful way of moving the human body and if nature has given us limbs and joints that articulate in a certain way then that proves that the natural way of moving is best for survival sakes as it is the one which has survived the tests and is now dominant.

There is really only one way a man can move, MA styles just enforce rules on an individual that he shall not move without the discipline of a style. I would not say the natural way of moving is a MMA wannabe style. Natural movement existed before MMA, it existed before any MA style. MA styles surely were developed to overcome natural movement in the first place.

So why would there be a problem with WC or any other art? Could it be that when an artist isnt exposed to the natural world he looses his immediate point of reference? Its kind of like this for me: If I am honest and imagine a lion in my head the first thing I see is kind of cartoonish. Then I try to imagine it as a real lion. It is more real now in my minds eye but I cant really bring it to life with emotions, how it moves, how it looks at me or how big and heavy it is etc. Now I go to the zoo and WOW!!! its feckin huge!!!! and its teeth are massive! I didnt realise they were that big and I afraid to keep eye contact. Thank god for the wire fence!…..Then I go on safari and watch a lion hunt!…….WTF this beast is an fearsome killing machine! :shock: It covers ground so quickly and it knows how to kill swiftly. Where has it gone? I cant see it anymore! We are too close, too exposed! This 4×4 doesnt even have windows I can shut!!!

Do you see what I am trying to say. I could equate this lion to how many WC men (and other arts ) train technique with an image they have in their heads. Infact this relates to how people live their whole life. Visualisation is very powerful.

respect

Edit: I should add that what Im getting at is that visualisation of reality instead of being immersed in reality is what warps a MA practitioner away from effectiveness in reality. Visualisation is powerful IMO but it can have a negative as well as positive effect. We all have images of ourselves and how we are seen and we all have preconcieved images of the attacks we are likely to have to defend against. We have to test our ideas and assumptions against reality to keep them updated. This is why a lot of WC gets a bad rap because a lot of WC do not test and update their stuff.>

Post: setsu nin to:

Bushi

Belive me, you wont finde anything in videos. Take it and practice it for half year…>

Post: Bushi:

[quote=setsu nin to Bushi

Belive me, you wont finde anything in videos. Take it and practice it for half year…[/quote 

Never happen. My now 20 year in the MAs voyage has brought me to where I am at. I will spend the rest of my days in the arts I now enjoy. If there is some sort of technique or principle that I like I may add that, but as far as training another traditional style from the beginning, it’s just not going to happen.

At some point you have to spread your roots.

Your mileage may vary.>

Post: setsu nin to:

Bushi

Thats OK in my opinion. I feel same thing for Karate for example. There is no chance that I start with Shotokan any more (or moust other styles of Karate).>

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