Kung Fu with good martial & good health
Original Poster: DAT
Forum: Kung Fu Styles, Chinese Martial Arts
Posted On: 25-05-2004, 18:02
Orginal Post: DAT: I have access to Hop-Gar, Hung Gar, Eagle Claw and Choy Lee Foot and Northern Shaolin (Jong Law). Which of these contain both good martial as well as forms for Qigong? I’m looking for an art to take into my “golden years”. As you can see from my profile I have “tasted” quite a few. I still do my Wing Chun and my Taiji but would be interested in any input on the above mentioned arts and their dual benefits. Thanks.
These are all external styles, DAT. While they all have pretty advanced Qigong very late into the syllabus (Hung Gar’s Iron Thread, CLF’s Arhat Qigong, etc.), they are distinctly external and rather hard on the body on the way up. Despite what Jonatan, a.k.a. Angelus Vindicatio might tell you, Hung Gar is by no means a perfect balance of internal and external training from the word ‘go’ – you have to be rock-solid and strong as an ox to be successful in it, and that doesn’t really do much for your health If you talk to the people at the kwoons, they will likely tell you one of two things – what I said above, if they’re honest, or else they’ll try to sell you the ‘perfect balance of internal and external’ line. Eagle’s Claw, from my own experience, is somewhat ‘softer’ than the others but still distinctly external and especially hard on the old knees with all the jumps and sudden dips. I presume Northern Shaolin would be similar.
IMHO, you should stick to the Wing Chun and Taijiquan – more or less an ideal combination for your needs.>
I didnt! I just said it’s There.>
I know you haven’t, Jonatan – I was pre-empting you since I know better than most people your take on Hung Gar – ph34r m1 l337 and intimate knowledge of your mind! :twisted:>
I suffer from the “grass looks greener from the other side” complex and the “what could I be missing from those other arts” syndrome.
You both give good advice. Perhaps mixing in a little JKD with my Wing Chun will spice things up a bit. Oops, there I go again.>
Post: Fa Jing:
i like Eagle Claw (thanks Wilhelm for turning me onto it) it has various soft forms with some chin na which i am reading about currently.>
Post: BLACK PANTA:
I woudl suggest maintaining your Tai Chi and WC aswell. I would however reccomend you focus on one over the other. Greener Grass syndrome can cause you to loose focus on both arts you practice. I always suggest to stick to one art so that you may become a master of one as opposed to a jack of all trades. Tai Chi is very combat effective when taught properly and it is very beneficial to your health. Dont get me wrong though WC is a fantastic art aswell. Like I said I suggest focusing on one art, be it Tai Chi, WC, Hung Gar, Curling………… . Stick with one art you love and become great at it. If you wish to go with an internal art that is combat effective though I would reccomend Tai Chi or Aikido.>
I hear what you are saying Black Panta. I have too much respect for the arts to not take them seriously. I’ve been into WC for over a decade and would not have undergone the process of learning Taiji (37 short Yang) if I hadn’t been in the fine tuning mode in my Wing Chun journey. I’m going to be 50 this year and health and longevity is slowly shifting the balance on the martial arts scale from my previoius number one priority, martial. Balance is what I am looking for. WC is very Yang, I need some Yin to balance my Body, Mind and Spirit.
On another subject, I notice you are a muslim. There have been many discussions on this and other forums about religion in the martial arts. In particular religions other than Buddism, Taoism, Shintoism, etc. I and others have been on the receving end of some pretty hostile anti-Christian rhetoric. Many believe so-called western religions have no place in the martial arts. Throughout all of these “discussions” I don’t recall reading a post by someone of the Islamic faith. I used to live in Libya and was friends with muslims who were very much into olympic style wrestling. Coming from mostly Chinese arts I realize that Chinese muslims have a rich heritage in the martial arts. I would love to read a few lines on your thoughts of how your particular sect of Islam works in conjunction with your love of the martial arts. Thanks.>
[quote=DAT Perhaps mixing in a little JKD with my Wing Chun will spice things up a bit. Oops, there I go again.[/quote
ojkd is wc mixed with boxing,savate(french kickboxing),jujitsu,judo and other external kung fu styles.
jkdc(concepts) has wc,boxing,muay thai,kali and everything else mentioned for orignial jkd.
sbg(straight blast gym)jkd has jkdc as it’s core,with mostly muay thai and brazilian jujitsu as it’s main curriculum.
so,jkd usually has no qigong or internal things whatsoever(unless it’s found in wing chun,but probably not even then).>
Post: BLACK PANTA:
Oh Sorry Dat, I didn’t realize you had such an extensive background in the Martial Arts, namely WC. My appologies. I in now way wanted to give you the idea that you didn’t respect the Martial Arts BTW.
As for Islam’s view I will not say on this paticular thread for it will be off topic.
Here you will find some other peoples’ views on religeon and Martial Arts. I am very comfortable speaking of my religeous views as many on this site knows. It would be my pleasure to let you know about Islam’s view of Matial Arts. If my post in these threads do not satisy your curiosity please post your questions there budz, they are more than welcome.
also in the Indonesian Martial Arts section is a muslim style of Silat called Mubai Silat.>
I checked out those threads you suggested, thanks. I quickly have come to the conclusion that a discussion on religion and martial arts on forums such as these is pretty much worthless. I will say this, you need MBS, Mind, Body and Spirit in any of life’s endeavours. To leave one out is just plain foolish and ignorant. Take care.>
Combat Curling? Sounds interesting, just like the Extreme Golf I’m always hassling my dad to take up :twisted:>
Wow if you’re going to be 50 this year, I definately would stay away from the above mentioned external styles. You should definately stick with your Tai Chi, but if you want to learn something else I would suggest another internal art such as Pa Kua or Hsing-I (preferably Pa Kua, as Hsing-I is the “hardest”(hard as in hard or soft not difficulty) of the internal arts). Wilhelm nailed it on the dot with his first post.
I see what you mean by wanting to balance the yang, but there is no need to go to the extremes. Hung Gar is a very hard style like whilhelm said, and considering your age (I mean no disrespect b/c I have no idea of you physical ability, I am just judging by the physical conditions of the average 50 year old in America) there is a chance you could injure yourself easier with a very hard style. You should try and search out a good Pa Kua school near you. Pa Kua is known to have a balance between hard and soft — yin and yang — within itself. And on top of that it is first and foremost and internal art so it has the sophisticated qi gong that you are looking for. I practice Pa Kua myself and if you have any questions feel free to ask me.
As for a balance b/w Yin and Yang, have you ever read the I-Ching? Yin is related to submission or flexibility, while Yang is related to strength. Like you said your Wing Chun is very Yang, but your Tai Chi is also at the other extreme end of Yin, so you should not have search out another art to balance the Yang of your Wing Chun. You already have it right under your nose. :wink:>