So I checked out a Kung Fu school in LAÂ….

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So I checked out a Kung Fu school in LAÂ….
Original Poster: WushuPadawan001
Forum: Kung Fu Styles, Chinese Martial Arts
Posted On: 13-03-2007, 21:37

Orginal Post: WushuPadawan001: Well, it was not so much a Kung Fu school as a group of Kung Fu practitioners working out in a park who happened to study under the same teacher.

I arrived about thirty minutes before class was supposed to start. Initially there was only one person there, and older gentleman who only had about two and a half years of experience. Half an hour later another student shows up, but this one only has one class worth of training. So I humored the older gentleman as he ran me and the other student through some warm ups.

Another thirty minutes later and the senior students started to arrive. I made no mention of my previous experience in the martial arts; I wanted to see if they were well enough seasoned to figure that out on their own. I was taken through a basic form a few times and then taught a piece of it. As I was scouting the place out I really was not interested in learning anything at the time, so after I followed along for an hour or so I took a break and watched the senior students run forms. I only saw one of them – the second most skilled of the students from what I gathered – run a form all out. He was impressive, very good rooting and control.

Before I left I approached the student who ran the forms I watched and asked him about their application training. He told me that most of the students do not care for sparring so their teacher does not bother to teach it. Also, because they practice in a public area they avoid sparring as it draws unwanted attention. Fair enough. I thanked him for his instruction and left for my drive back to campus.

I do not think that I will be returning to this school. For one they practice, due to a lack of space and high rent in the area, in a public park. The park, being in West Hollywood, was full of homeless drug addicts and transvestites. Plus it was loaded with second hand smoke, and I have asthma. Now, I have no problem practicing in a public park, in fact I trained with Bloodybirds and nbotary in a public park back home. But I wont be practicing somewhere so polluted by nicotine that it makes me feel sick – seriously, by the time I was done there I had a terrible headache and a sore throat.

Secondly, the fact that the school has no sparring or combat training instantly turned me off. They are all forms with some chin na thrown in for good measure. A year ago that would have been fine for me, but now I am at a point in my training where the absence of combat application means the absence of me from class.

Now, I do not want this to come across as a put down on the school. The teacher, although away in China when I visited, has a very respectable background. Also his students are very skilled and courteous. But it is just not my kind of school (the hour long drive through LA traffic was also a turn-away).

So that is my report on my hunt for a Kung Fu school in SoCal. If I learned one thing from the experience it is that I am not willing to drive to LA for class. On my way back a car lost control in front of me. It slammed into a wall on the right. I passed the vehicle as it was barreling back towards the left wall. If I had hit the breaks, as I imagine most people would when they see an accident in progress before them, the vehicle would have smashed into me as it bounced off the right wall to the left. Hopefully the driver is alright, but I doubt he/she is.

Well then, one school down and one to go.

Edit: Took out observation regarding power. I thought about it some more and decided I’m really not an adequate judge on that topic.

Post: Gazelle:

SOunds like an experience and a half! I’m glad you kept going.

Good luck with the school hunt. Hope your new school is proving more successful in other areas.>

Post: WushuPadawan001:

Gazelle, welcome back! We havenÂ’t heard from you in a while.>

Post: nbotary:

Wushu, you should’ve just offered to kick his ass for the fun of it!!!

Just kidding. You need to go train with Kisu… Bloodybirds will hook you up…>

Post: Gazelle:

[quote=WushuPadawan001 Gazelle, welcome back! We havenÂ’t heard from you in a while.[/quote 

Thank you! Lets just say that things have not gone entirely smoothly round here during the move, they could have gone worse, but they also could have gone better. I’m still on library internet, so, you still won’t be hearing from me too much until i get to uni.>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Wushu, you know I can hook ya up at Kisu’s, John Cheng’s, Mr. Edwards eagle claw/mantis, and some other masters for you to look at. That is up to you. I also have some stuff to discuss with you privately after your reply today on another forum. We can discuss later. In any event, my help is offered, up to you to accept.

As I said, Kisu would be great since he could assist you in both kung fu and screenwriting/entertainment. He has great connections in those as well as extensive stunt work with people like Sammo Hung, Bolo Yeung, etc. Let me know my young brother.>

Post: WushuPadawan001:

Update on my quest for a kung fu school out here in Cali:

I went by a Seven Star Mantis school earlier today. They put me in the basic class to see what IÂ’ve got. I was thinking it would be a breeze, but man they were hardcore. The class was like some kind of crazy melding of my kung fu and wusu schools back in Texas. That is, an emphasis on martial application along with a structured curriculum.

So needless to say I signed up. Unfortunately I have not been practicing as much as I should (spending more time lifting for the beach) – and the Mantis instructor could tell – so they’re putting me through some kung fu conditioning in the basic classes to get me up to speed so I can move on into the advanced class.>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Wushu, this is not California Martial Arts with Sifu John Cheng, is it? Who is the master you are training under? Just curious.>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Wushu, congrats on finding a teacher evidently you found useful. I wish you great training and good luck. I had hoped you would visit either Kisu or John Cheng (true Northern Shaolin and 7 Star Preying Mantis coming from Sifu Cheng, Sigung Raymond Farr, Sigung Raymond Nelson, Sigung Henry Chung, etc) or maybe Ken Edwards, who teaches both mantis and true Ying Jow. Oh, well….Kisu can still help you with screenwriting and other connections if you so wish. As your sihing, I can only offer assistance and aid…..up to you for your own path.>

Post: WushuPadawan001:

The mantis school is one of John ChengÂ’s. I donÂ’t know that it is his headquarters, but the instructors seem to know their stuff.

I tried visiting KisuÂ’s school a couple weeks back. He was out of town; on business in China I was told. IÂ’ll probably swing by another time so I can meet him at the very least.>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Ben, I have know John since he was 12 and I was 22. His master, Raymond Fogg, has a video of us from 1981 (wow) where Sifu Fogg is opening his school in Marshall, Tx. and both John and I demonstrated there. Afterwards, John and I have our arms on each other’s shoulders and he has his left leg and I have my right leg extended straight up and smiling. Years later, he came and trained with us for a time in Arlington with Ricky’s school and went through what we went through. Ask him about the time he ran through the woods with us carrying a log and literally fell face first down into a ravine going 100 miles an hour! One of the funniest things we ever saw. John is a great guy, a great martial artist, and is about 38 years old right now and been doing this since he was about 9 or 10. He is also the tournament doc for alot of stuff on the West Coast.

His mantis is impeccable and he is also the kung fu brother of Jeff Hughes in Austin, who I might suggest Staz train under when he goes to UT next year. In any event, you cannot get much better!! As far as Kisu, he is probably involved doing stunts, coordinating stunts, or supporting one of his students in the movies right now. I will email him again on your behalf.

Sorry to the rest of you but since my sidei responded publicly to my inquiry I thought it appropriate to do so as well.>

Post: Bloodybirds:

One other thing, John has a great set up….his main school, one of three in the LA area, is right next to his orthopaedic medical practice….so, he can break them and then fix them in one stop shopping.

Cool!!! Ben, John runs a Ba Bo mantis set that is absolutely incredible…also, learn his saber and spear techniques, as they are some of the best in the world…..learn from him directly and mention both my name and Jeff’s name to him!!>

Post: nbotary:

Insert shameless plug here… !!! :lol: :lol: :lol:>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Yes it is my young brother NB!!! But our younger brother Wushu needs to know that his adventure to California can lead him to unwarranted temptations!! Better that he know a little history about the organization or master he now trains under….if he really wants to learn an awesome spear and darn dao, John “thunder legs” Cheng is the one…and being an orthopaedic MD, he can always screw Wushu up and then put him back together again!!! One stop shopping!!!

Wushu, still try to see Kisu at Harmonious Fist Northern Shaolin when he returns from filming in China…a great contact and my brother Master Joel Rodriguez and my grandmaster in Shaolin Ricky Anderson know Kisu as well…there NB, enough shameless plugs!!!!

Once a kung fu brother, always a kung fu brother, no matter where you are located, my young Padawon in California!!>

Post: Stazzy:

[quote=Bloodybirds …if he really wants to learn an awesome spear and darn dao, John “thunder legs” Cheng is the one…[/quote 

Thunder legs you say? I hope he’s not related to Shaquesha “thunder thighs” Jackson! Sorry…I made that name up. I really can’t think of a single person with this nickname lol. You have to admit it sounds a bit like something you’d expect to see on a poster in Las Vegas (no offense to John Cheng).>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Stas, John’s legs are so muscular from his mantis and kung fu training that his knees are barely perceptible due to the thigh muscles he has from stance training. Besides being a great doc in orthopaedic, he has trained since he was 9 or 10 (he is 38 now) and his kung fu is wonderful.>

Post: Gazelle:

That’s impressive…and sounds like it could have been a little painful on more than one occassion :)>

Post: lokhopkuen:

Thank you all for your support and friendship.>

Post: bamboo:

Welcome Kisu.

Its always nice to get both parties’ opinions. :wink:

-bamboo>

Post: zefff:

BWAHAHAHAAAAA!!! I better learn from this and not bother posting my “So I rolled no gi with some MMA dudes” thread! :lol: :lol: :lol: …this internet thing is crazy man!>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Kisu, this is Bloodybirds, you know me better as Texas Mike, Joel’s kung fu brother, Jeff Bolt’s, Ricky Anderson’s, and Sigung Shum’s senior and a good friend of yours in Houston. Frankly, my dear friend, the person you are talking about is a sidei of mine and a student of Jeff’s for 5 years who came from a rich part of Houston and I had recommended strongly, when he asked before he moved to California to study screenwriting, to give him some names of masters I respected so he could continue his training. He also trained under Madame Wong for awhile. I am embarrassed and humbly offer my apologies for his insulting you and your class as you know I hold you in the highest esteem and respect! I am insulted that he took that attitude with your class and he had told me that you were in China filming! I had also offered to help him get into screenwriting and recommended strongly that he hook up with you after you returned as you could also help him with that aspect as I told him about your Avatar on Nick, your stuntman and acting background, and who your senior student was in Last Samurai.

I hope you know me well enought to understand I would never have sent him to your students had I known he would have acted this arrogantly and believe me I will see him again when he is in Houston visiting. I had also told him about John Cheng, who I have known since he was 12 and training with Grandmaster Raymond Fogg in Texas. John also came and trained with us when I trained with my Shaolin master in Dallas. Believe me, Jeff would not have been happy with this either. The irony is that Wushu is not a great fighter at all and his forms are decent but he floats too much. In any event, someone with 5 years of experience under a legitimate teacher should not make any judgement about the relative skills of a true master and his students in another context.

Kisu, and to all here, I offer my humble apologies and meant no insult to my good friend who is a remarkable martial artist, a former Marine, a good partner not only to me but to Joel Rodriguez, my oldest and dearest kung fu brother in Atlanta. Kisu, please pm me privately on this but I chose this public forum to mention this about my sidei from Jeff’s school.

Bamboo, and to all on this site, Kisu is a great kung fu master, a great Hollywood stuntperson and choreographer, and I have known him to be a man of stern honor and integrity since meeting him at Tai Ji Legacy in Dallas in 2002. He, Joel, and I took time out between competition and judging to work with each other by the pool in Dallas Ft Worth at the Windham there and we had a great time. Subsequently, Kisu has visited both Joel and my Ying Jow sifu in New York on several occasions.

Thank you to all for allowing me to respond to Kisu’s note above. This student will get a response from me at some point.>

Post: lokhopkuen:

Thank you all for your support and friendship.>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Brother, just got off the phone with Joel and told him I had heard from you on this forum and what was going on. Do not feel bad…my sidei did not even thank me for giving him John Cheng’s name or to look him up. He is 19 so I guess it is some of the youth today. Welcome back from China my brother. I knew you would not blame me but since he was a student of Jeff’s and a sidei of mine (who I revealed some Shaolin secrets to and took him to a seminar that my Shaolin master did in Austin) I felt by tradition obligated to comment since he insulted someone I hold in high esteem and respect. In any event, to all on this forum, believe me you will enjoy lokhopkuen’s future comments!>

Post: Bloodybirds:

By the way, Ricky is now moved back to Las Vegas most of the time, Jeff will be leaving to go to Singapore in the spring, and Sigung Shum should be at Nick Scrima’s tourney in Orlando next year. Kisu, and all others, next year in Orlando Nick is going to have a separate tourney set up for Ying Jow practitioners of the Ng Wei/Leung Shum branch of Lau Fat Mon and many great people will be there to judge and compete. As far as finding a kung fu school, Kisu’s post and my reply point out a long standing policy: When visiting a martial arts school of any type, be humble, be open, and do not make assumptions…most schools are like an iceberg, what you see is only the surface ice moving…the heavenly glory is underneath the sea!! Besides, as I have learned the hard way, traditional teachers spend many years testing to see who is worthy of the true art….being arrogant, as I once was and have the butt kickings to prove it (LOL), looking for a kung fu school that teaches true traditional is very hard to find. Although Wushu comes from a great teacher and a great class, Sifu Bolt is decidedly untraditional in many aspects, though his master Dr. Yang Jwing Ming is to a great extent. He is certainly much less traditional than my Shaolin or Ying jow master. Since Wushu is now training at John’s organization, I hope he has an opportunity to train directly with John Cheng, as he is very good and very humble. Maybe he will see the advantages of learning the traditions directly.>

Post: WushuPadawan001:

My apologies if any offense was taken – none was intended. I simply call it as I see it.>

Post: samurai6string:

Welcome to the forum, Lok. :D It’s great to talk to one of the truly amazingly talented people that BloodyBirds is always going on about. :wink:>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Wushu, maybe instead of calling it like you see it, you should revise how you see it!! Sidei, you are not in West U. anymore! One of the reasons you went to California was to absorb new experiences and meet people very different, including in the martial arts. In California and NY, martial arts is on a whole different level and taken very seriously!>

Post: Bloodybirds:

By the way you should have stopped after the first sentence.>

Post: Gazelle:

I was just about to write something, but, on second thoughts, i think it’d be best if i passed, i don’t want to cause any wrong impressions or controversies. :) I think i’ll stay out of it, this time :)

However, i would still like to say to Bloodybirds, about his statement ‘most schools are like an iceberg, what you see is only the surface ice moving…the heavenly glory is underneath the sea!!’ Very nicely put, i think.>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Thanks Gazelle….I have said enough to my younger kung fu brother as well. I hope it is now lesson learned. Wushu has great potential, both academically, martial arts wise, etc. I wish him to become the best at what he does, and have a less bumpy road along the way. That is why I suggested who I did for him to train with and he is now training with a great mantis master and orthopaedic surgeon who is a native Texan with three school locations and his medical practice in California. And, a great guy too!!! I hope he takes full advantage, especially learning this teacher’s great skills while having great humility. John Cheng is a great guy who I have know since he was 12 and I was 22 in Texas!! I suggested Kisu because of his great skills in kung fu and his Hollywood connections, both of which Wushu could take advantage of as he pursues screenwriting and his martial arts. It is up to my younger brother to choose his path, but choose wisely my young Padewon!!>

Post: nbotary:

This is definately one of those times where I’m glad that I didn’t stick my foot in my mouth and regret something I posted… 8O

First off, welcome Kisu!!! I have heard a lot about you while taking a beating at the hands of Michael!!! It’s nice to know that you may be contributing to our forum. :D

Wushu – I can honestly say that I’m a little disappointed about what I’ve been hearing lately. I will give you some unsolicited advice – whether you want it or not – and I would really think about it going forward for the rest of your life…

“Don’t burn the people or bridges you may need to cross!!!” In other words, you need to put yourself in check and do it quick. You have been given a great opportunity and you’ve had people going out of their way to help you out while you’re there. One thing you apparently don’t realize is that by slapping that handout away like you’re too good for it, you’re cutting your own throat. With the carreer choice you want, it’s not always about what you know, it’s about who you know. And those that know you, can either speak positively or negatively with those that don’t know you. I think you see where I’m going with this. If you’re walking around with your nose up in the air, it’s going to hurt like a mutha-fucka when that person you didn’t see kicks you in the balls!!! :evil:>

Post: Bloodybirds:

As usual,my brother NB elucidates and makes a point better than I ever could in with his usual diplomatic aplomb (sorry, I will put the Thesaurus down now!!). AMEN!!!>

Post: lokhopkuen:

Thank you all for your support and friendship.>

Post: lokhopkuen:

Thank you all for your support and friendship.>

Post: lokhopkuen:

Thank you all for your support and friendship.>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Kisu, regretfully his teachers here in Houston are Jeff Bolt and Madame Wong Ju Rong, may her soul rest in peace. He studied for about 5 years with Sifu Bolt before moving out there. I cannot believe this when I told him straight forwardly about your connections and what a great advantage knowing you would be for his career!! And, I am sure he is not getting direct training from John because if he takes that attitude with him, John will not say anything, he will just walk away and never teach him directly. Jeez, you try to do a good deed….I do not know what I will do if Wushu comes back and shows up at Sifu Bolt’s class.

Again, my friend, I am sorry!!>

Post: bamboo:

Gentlemen,

Lets try to remember before wushu is left for dead that everybody (yourselves included I am sure :wink: ) makes mistakes, especially when you first leave home for school, become overwhelmed by a new city, are trying to “be someone” etc. Hollywood must be rather hard to fit into I would imagine.

From what I understand hes under 20, I’m certainly thankful my present life is not the result of people judging me from my behaviour during my teen years.

One other thing, his interactions with people other than yourselves cannot truly be judged based on writings on this site, its nothing more than “he said she said” at that point.

Respect is nice, but lets not take this to silly proportions. Perhaps he did have a bad day with your group lokhopkuen, it was his experience and his perspective. Maybe you could invite him back personally and gain a good student? After all, he was good enough to be accepted by bloodybirds… If not, oh well.

-bamboo>

Post: Yellow:

Hi, I just want to give a little background on myself and my experience with Kisu as my teacher. I hope the esteemed members of this group will forgive a beginner in posting some ill-formed thoughts such as they are.

I believe I am the person referred to as having 2 and 1/2 years of experience with Kisu. A little background on me. I studied Hung Gar in Philly with a truly great teacher for 2 and 1/2 years. I also studied in boston with Dr. Yang Jwing Ming briefly and have high regard. After the passing of a few years, I ended up in LA and for another 2 and 1/2 years I have studied with Kisu. I am also the legal representative for the Official Shaolin Temple here in the US and do certain work for the temple in China. Such work has to do with spreading the teachings of the temple and exposing people to the philosophy inside the Kung Fu.

I don’t think there are enough positive things I can say about my experience learning under Kisu. But towards the end of this I will say a few. But fundamentally Kisu is my teacher, my friend, and like a father.

On the day in question, it was in fact our casual day. This is the day we each depart from our normal class workout and we each have the opportunity to work on our own problems and basics during the 4 to 6 hour time frame. So yes people do show up at different times on this day and we do not have the structure we have with our classes. This is the day we meditate about our goals, direction with Kung Fu and share ideas with each other. This is very special and contrasts with our weekday classes that are extremely intensive physically. Those days are a form of active meditation. So exhausting that the goal is to find the calm that marathon runners experience at the 20th mile. It is in this calm that we really have the breakthroughs.

But as mentioned the day in question was not our normal class. And on these days it is very common for new people to approach us and attempt to provoke a fight. We have had visitors with sharp samurai swords, MMA contestants, etc, etc. appear. Our group can be very deadly but that is not what we believe is correct to project to others. We strive to be mature. Following the Shaolin way as Kisu instructs, we attempt to be friendly and emotionally disarm those that would be hostile. Sun Tze says the highest art of winning a battle is to win without having a battle. To win without the opponent knowing a battle was even a potentiality.

So on this day, a student appears wearing the shirt of Dr. Yang Jwing Ming. Immediately we take this as a double sign, 1) this person may be looking to challenge and doesn’t seem open-minded or they would know this to be inappropriete, and 2) it is potentially insulting to a former teacher to visit a new school wearing their old shirt because it makes them a kind of “representative”. We assess that this person may have certain physical training but may still be uninitiated to the higher philosophy of Kung Fu. We instantly seek to set the ground such address such.

We certainly knew this person had prior training. The shirt was a giveaway. (I found it funny that it was mentioned that they thought we could not tell. ) But when a visitor seeks to be recognized for their old skills, rather than seek to learn with an open-mind and temporarily abandon all past learning and assumptions, then this is not the Shaolin attitude. This is ego seeking to be recognized.

We start out by going into the basic stances. The attitude towards these stances are key in assessing maturity. Understanding the transitions and the positions I feel is core to understanding a style. Often a new visitor finds this boring. For us, we find this concern with “boredom” to be counter to the basic nature of martial arts, – that it is hard work, it is gently self-reflective, and seeks to make the opponent and artist one and the same. These are the deeper lessons. Yes I supposed one can use our teachings to kill. Would one expect us to teach such skills or even discuss such to one who is unknown in character and maturity? Would one even expect us to teach such skills to our junior students? We focus on building the core values and fundamental skills. Killing is easy. Developing the proper appreciation is not.

To me Kisu, has built a school that focuses on having every student strive to develop themselves, rather than one involving impressing each other. It is one that tries to have each of us reach the extreme we are capable of, then find we can do more. It is one that seeks to have us understand our own intentions and cultivate proper respect for others.

It is one that seeks to control without causing harm, gently divert rather than sting, sting rather than maim, maim rather than kill.

And yes, beside all the higher things I mentioned, for the new student, our class would indeed seem hardcore, intensive and exhasting. It is the combination that is truly a wonder for my personal learning experience. But such things can only be appreciated in time.

Thank you all for the opportunity to express this and I hope I have said something meaningful.>

Post: bamboo:

First- Welcome Yellow. You don’t need to use honourifics here, noone is esteemed, all ideas are open to debate and everyone starts with the same blank slate.

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So on this day, a student appears wearing the shirt of Dr. Yang Jwing Ming. Immediately we take this as a double sign, 1) this person may be looking to challenge and doesn’t seem open-minded or they would know this to be inappropriete, and 2) it is potentially insulting to a former teacher to visit a new school wearing their old shirt because it makes them a kind of “representative”. We assess that this person may have certain physical training but may still be uninitiated to the higher philosophy of Kung Fu. We instantly seek to set the ground such address such.

Judging someone because of the teeshirt they wear is just plain silly. For all anyone at the time knew he bought it off a website, it was a gift or was simply the only thing available to work out in.

I’m not defending Wushu, I don’t even know the guy, but c’mon- you can’t seriously expect people to know all the “rules”. I would dare to point out that by prejudging him for wearing a kungfu shirt, you yourself could be seen as closeminded. If Wushu felt all this prejudging I’ll bet it lent to his experience and bent his view. I know it would mine.

Side story related to this. I walked into a dojo wearing an teeshirt from a highly respected dojo in Japan. I was treated like gold for 2 hours. Then they actually took the time to ask me how long I trained at said dojo to which I replied “it was a gift from my father in law”. Suddenly I’m not so great anymore. Well, they lost a student that day and I told everyone I knew interested in MAs about the place.
I have a jujutsu shirt that was recently given to me as a gift by my sister, I’ve never practiced at that school nor would I, it does however cover my skin rather nicely.

-bamboo>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Yellow, Kisu knows me well and also knows my teachers Leung Shum, Ricky Anderson, and Jeff Bolt. In fact, since you studied some with Dr. Yang in Boston, we are second cousins and actually Wushu is as well. Jeff Bolt is the senior student of Dr. Yang and has been for 33 almost 34 years in Houston and in Boston. Your master can tell you about Jeff’s nature as well. I agree with Bamboo in certain aspects but I did warn Wushu before he left Houston to show masters out there respect since Sifu Bolt, unlike my other teachers Leung Shum and Ricky Anderson, is not a stickler for kung fu formalities as long as proper respect is shown between students and himself. Wushu did study also under Madame Wong and knows through me, that I do not wear any school shirts from my other two schools when training at Jeff’s and do not run any of my other forms except before or after class so Jeff is not insulted, whether he would take it that way or not. Sooo…there was a briefing of understanding. Wushu, as evidenced elsewhere on this site, has also been having trouble at his dorm room. I pray that my sidei sees the connection and pulls back a little. I have mentioned this to our Tuesday park group that Wushu used to attend with us and we all feel he should apologize to Kisu and then, if he trains with John Cheng, learn more of the tradition of the art from his seniors. John has some great darn dao and spear technique, two weapons Wushu loves to do (he is quite good at the spear).

Yellow, he is 19 and has made a mistake. He should be responsible for his actions, but be a true martial artist and pay respects you your teacher and my friend. If he did that, I know Kisu well enough that he would do anything for the boy….Kisu will bend over backwards to help someone if they show humility and truly are a good heart.

By the way, my friend, I will email you later today before going to practice at Jeff’s tonight. Joel says hello and we agree the three of us need to get together in Cali, Houston, or Atlanta and train/party together.>

Post: dscott:

Although, from my limited experience with Wushu, I’ve found him to be condesending and a “know it all” at the age of 19, I think that everyone has to give him a break. Like Bamboo said, he’s in a different city with different people. It’s a tough time.

I was re-reading his original post and he didn’t seem to come across as being that offensive. He said it wasn’t for him but that’s his opinion.

[quote=WushuPadawan001  “He was impressive, very good rooting and control.”

“Fair enough. I thanked him for his instruction and left for my drive back to campus.”

“Now, I do not want this to come across as a put down on the school. The teacher, although away in China when I visited, has a very respectable background. Also his students are very skilled and courteous. But it is just not my kind of school”
[/quote 

But then again, I wasn’t there. I don’t know if what Wushu’s saying is the truth. I also don’t know if what lokhopkuen and Yellow are saying is the truth. Personally, I don’t care. This should be taken care of through PM’s or separate emails in my opinion. Whatever. :roll:>

Post: bamboo:

Gentlemen,

Sorry that I am posting knowing full well that I do not understand the traditions of kungfu and its related practices.

It has been mentioned more than once though that “ethics” and traditions of shaolin monks are followed. I have been a student for many years in the soto zen lineage and have spent quite abit of time with actual buddhist monks (shaolin monks are firtsly buddhist monks). Do you not think they would exercise compassion and understanding towards wushu and would also dismiss idle talk and gossip as nothing more than a violation of the precept to practice “right speech”?

Just a thought.

-bamboo>

Post: PunchDrunk:

Wushu,

I remember before you came to Jeff’s that time and time again BloodyBirds told Jeff that he had seen something. Jeff’s response was “You didn’t see it correctly.” You too have failed to see correctly.

Now is the time to understand and give meaningful appology for your errors and the offense you have created. Without realizing it, you’ve brough shame to everyone who has put time and effort into your Kung-Fu education. My effort on your behalf is miniscule, therefore I do not suffer as Mike does over the damage you’ve done to yourself.

We who count ourselves among your friends see that you are on the wrong path, and understand the harm it will do to you. Mitigating the harm you are doing to yourself will only cause you to go further down the wrong path, therefore we can only watch with heavy hearts as you suffer.

Bloodybirds came from his dark period, and I have committed mistakes the length and width of which I won’t describe here. When it looks the darkest, we are still out here for you my friend and we will salvage what we can.>

Post: zefff:

Wow man WushuPaddwan must have a red face right now :lol: Poor chap.

I too thought he must have had enough of a scolding by now but I remember one time a youth came to our school of Wing Chun and rather than coming to learn for himself he came to assert himself. He got into a discussion with one guy because he didnt like what he saw and actually said he thought he was as good a fighter as any 3rd level student he saw that day. Sifu laughed when he joined the conversation and invited him to spar with any level 3 student he wanted.

He picked one guy and they began sparring with MMA type gloves on. The level 3 guy didnt even bother to hit him much but just kicked him here and there a few times and forced the youth to trip over his own poor footwork while trying to keep up. The level 1 students laughed.

The youth made his excuses and then went on to say “Okay maybe not level 3 but Im sure Im as good as any Level 2 student here.” Sifu called me out to spar him so I did as the level 3 guy had and didnt hit him much at all but focused exposing his poor footwork, putting him off balance and darting in to take him down with some simple Shuai Jiao type stuff. The level 1 students laughed.

“Okay, maybe not him but I could take that one there.” He pointed to a level 1 guy who was laughing at him. So Sifu says “Well are you sure you can handle a level 1 guy now? You started on 3 and now you are on 1. Lucky for you the kids arent here!” …Everybody laughed.

So while he is resting for the next round he has people asking him what his problem is and cant he see how silly he is making himself look and maybe he should just go home etc. Anyway, they start sparring and the level 1 guy is flying straight in and drilling his face and body with punches and turning him away. Everybody rolls their eyes.

After that the sifu is laughing and asks “What now?” The guy is like “I dont know what happened today but I know my ‘X style’ can beat Wng Chun!” The Sifu offended, walked up, slapped him in the face then said “how dare you” and told him to get out. Nobody laughed. If you saw Sifu’s palms you would not laugh either :lol:

When I was young and learning MA for myself I didnt consider how the experience might be different for the teacher. For them it is a passion, a livelyhood and the fruit of a lot of sacrifice. The school matters to the teacher, we young men dont know what the wider picture is and reputation is everything as someone said. When we are a single young man we are only concerned with ourselves and we dont imagine how other people think…its only natural!

I myself have been in WP position and thought a school was crap. Best thing is to keep your opinion to yourself because what if Lophopkuen was a psycho teacher! Ive heard stories of people who have been hunted down and made example of before. Infact, with all the bashings I have given on here I am waiting for the day that someone recognises me and comes looking! :lol:

peace>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Amen!! PunchDrunk said it all….Wushu, we brothers back here in Houston are there for you if you need us!! You have had a deep lesson in how seriously some in our art take it. Under my Shaolin master, and under my Ying Jow master, I would have had a similar attitude toward your approach. As someone who had to go through Hell 13 years ago when losing a family, friends, etc. over stupid things I did and I was a 30 something old man at the time. Sifu Bolt is extremely forgiving in many things and would probably attribute this to youth and growth. However, Wushu needs to understand that, like myself and my traditional training, many people take the traditions very seriously. When I first went from Sigung Shum To Sigung Anderson, I made a fool of myself and acted very arrogantly…..Sigung Anderson and my three seniors in my Shaolin school gave me a butt whipping I barely walked away from…ouch it still hurts….LOL!!! In any event, whether a verbal or physical but whipping is called for, Bamboo and others I understand and sympathize with your comments but….in traditional Shaolin this reaction is normal and expected. I do agree that certain allowances should be made for inexperience, being in a new place, etc. but now is the critical time for Wushu to learn a valuable lesson!! And, as I have said, I know my friend Kisu well enough to know that if Wushu approached him with humility and contriteness, and showed the respect and honor that I know he has, Kisu would end up being a mentor, good friend, and guide for Wushu even if does not train under him but stays with John.

Wushu should know that I may not be happy about what happened but he is still a kung fu brother and he is not alone out there!! Believe me, 23 years ago I took a very scary leap and left the safety of Dallas Tx and moved to NYC. As a result, not only did I work on Wall Street and meet the father of my art, Leung Shum, but my oldest and dearest kung fu brother, Joel Rodriguez. As well, my Shaolin brothers and my brothers and sisters at Jeff’s school have all become very important to me.

Sooo…..the hand has been extended….it is up to the other party to grasp it!!>

Post: bamboo:

Quote:
When I was young and learning MA for myself I didnt consider how the experience might be different for the teacher. For them it is a passion, a livelyhood and the fruit of a lot of sacrifice. The school matters to the teacher, we young men dont know what the wider picture is and reputation is everything as someone said. When we are a single young man we are only concerned with ourselves and we dont imagine how other people think…its only natural!

Well said Zefff! As a former teacher myself, i can tell you that often teachers forget that perspective themselves.>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Amen to Zefff’s perspective as well…guys, we are here for our young Padawon, especially privately. Wushu has my cell phone number.>

Post: lokhopkuen:

Thank you all for your support and friendship.>

Post: Bloodybirds:

First, compared to some of the craziness we have had here, my friend Kisu, yours is still mild and understandable. Second, stop right there with you deranking yourself…LOL… we both know your skill level!!! Besides, the disciple of Ken Sui and Johnny So I think would have some decent skill after all of these years!! Then again, compared to my three teachers I certainly am no master either!!! Although it might take at least a minute to two minutes now for Sigung Shum, Sigung Anderson, or Sifu Bolt to show me the Lord!!! Amen!! Your comments, trust me, are out of honor, not craziness and others on this forum should recognize it. I have extended a helping hand to my sidei, and he knows my cell phone, hopefully he will take the leap or at least offer a more sincere apology.>

Post: bamboo:

Quote:
A childish impulse no doubt unbecoming of a gung fu master. Fortunately I am not a master, only a daily practitioner working to understand myself through gung fu practice. I any of you are truly bothered over this I will never post again here but my offer to Wushu dude stands.

Post as much as you please as often as you please. It takes a hell of alot more to get edited or banned here. Straight talking is best, if claims are made then proof is asked for.

The bottom line is this. Wushu posted his opinion, you countered it. The rest of the forum is weighing in with opinion and discussion.
Its all good.

My honest opinion: Ego is hard to keep in check. This is not directed at anyone but is directed at everyone. I see myself on both sides of this discussion.

-bamboo>

Post: lokhopkuen:

Thank you Bamboo!!>

Post: nbotary:

Lokhopkuen – don’t worry about what you posted, it wasn’t bad – TRUST ME!!! I have posted far worse than anything you wrote on here, and most of mine is pretty mild compared to our brother Tease T. Tickle – and neither of us has been banned yet!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Please continue to post here as often as you can!!! :D

Brothers, I think we’ve all managed to say our peace on the subject. Let’s give Wushu a chance to respond and correct the situation…>

Post: bamboo:

Quote:
Let’s give Wushu a chance to respond and correct the situation…

Ahh see, herein lies the problem. Does the “situation” need correcting? He said his bit, some took offense some did not.

Sometimes silence speaks loudest.

-bamboo>

Post: nbotary:

Bamboo – if I understand it correctly, a challenge is still on the table and hasn’t been called or retracted. Therefore, I would say a “situation” still exists. But, that’s just my opinion…

I do agree with you that sometimes silence is the best answer. However, I would still like to see Wushu respond to what has been posted. Whether it’s done publicly or privately makes no difference to me. I personally feel the mark of a man is to take responsibility for his actions and that there is no shame in doing so publically. I’ve stuck my foot in my mouth before and had to buck up and apologize in front of my peers. It’s not fun, but it’s one hell of a way to earn back/gain respect among your peers. Like I said it’s just my opinion…

By the way, righteous new avatar you found!!!>

Post: zefff:

[quote=nbotary Lokhopkuen – don’t worry about what you posted, it wasn’t bad – TRUST ME!!! I have posted far worse than anything you wrote on here, and most of mine is pretty mild compared to our brother Tease T. Tickle – and neither of us has been banned yet!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Please continue to post here as often as you can!!! :D

Brothers, I think we’ve all managed to say our peace on the subject. Let’s give Wushu a chance to respond and correct the situation…[/quote 

8O …No curses, no profanity, no lurid sexual remarks??? …Is the dark side of the force losing its grip on this young Sith lord? 8O ;)>

Post: nbotary:

Sorry to have let you down Zefff!!! What the fuck was I thinking?!?!?! Oh, yeah, I was thinking about how I’m back in the running to bang Britney Spears like a screen door in a hurricane now that she’s divorcing that ass clown!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

By the way, Lokhopkuen if by chance, some miracle or just the grace of God you have some connection to Salma Hayek, I’m begging you to hook a brother up!!! :wink: :D :wink: :D :wink: :D

Sith Lords have no shame!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:>

Post: Bloodybirds:

My man NB is about to have his second child, first daughter!! He needs to clean up his act, buy a large shotgun, and make sure he never uses the hurricane analogy around his daughter, or his wife will kill him!! :lol: :lol: :wink: Do not be fooled….at heart he is almost a gentleman!! Bamboo, great moderating on these posts and your comments as well. Punchdrunk, NB, Stazzy, and Wushu are all from the same master, though of course I have two others as well, so we just care that he take the right path….but at 19 and on his own for the first time essentially, everyone must find their own foot and mouth disease to catch!! But I agree, be a man and be a true martial artist and apologize without regret and with humility….people will think greater of you!!! And, self preservation is an m…..f…..!!!! LOL>

Post: Bloodybirds:

To my dear friend Kisu, I second the Hayek comment and raise one Alba!!But Scarlett is old news!!! But Michelle Y. would be the best of all, love ya in the evening and kick your butt in the morning, the perfect woman!!>

Post: zefff:

Im not one for these woman wishing topics but seriously…If anyone out there can just let Andrea Rincon know that I exist that would be great!

…Andrea who you say?…http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=57365711>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Please enlighten us on Andrea, because I always believe in broadening one’s knowledge and horizons. Thank you for your concern….>

Post: nbotary:

You know, the funny thing is that I actually did put Jessica Alba’s name right after Salma’s name, but I took it off since she’s with that douchebag, Cash Warren. However, if he seemed to have some “mysterious accident”, I would be happy to entertain her as well – no questions asked… !!! :wink: :twisted: :lol:

Lord Maul is also partial to the Gibson sisters – C.J. and Raquel – with a stronger preference for C.J.!!! Type that name in under Google’s images and you’ll see what I’m talking about!!! :D :D :D>

Post: Tapout95:

Being a fairly humble child for most of my life, I have found that since moving out of home, I have become a bit more emboldened. I have had fights, puked, passionate nights, and have been a fugitive of the law already. :oops: . I personally hope that I will not be remembered for all of these things. If anything they are scars, that I’m trying to hide. As already stated before, everyone makes mistakes.

I also think it is a bit hypocritical for those who do not know Wushu personally to come on here and insult him for judging others wrongly. There have been some pretty harsh words towards him, yet he never pulled these same words with others. For those who claim to train in controlling one’s temper, they sure seemed to have lost it over one small incident. Why can’t we all just be friends?

Either way, it really is an honor to be able to read messages coming directly from such talented people. I consider myself fortunate to be a member of this forum. :D>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Tapout, just for your info…NB, Punchdrunk, and I all know him personally as he is a kung fu brother of ours from Texas who just moved out to Cali to go to school. Soo….in that respect, I personally know very well both parties to this issue and know their personalities. Just thought you would know….Wushu use to work out with a group of us, that I conduct, on Tuesday nights in the park separate from the school here. I am the one that recommended both the school he ended up studying at, under John Cheng (www.californiamartialarts.com), and Kisu (www.harmoniousfist.com) for those interested in seeing who we are talking about. So Tapout, very good point but just wanted you to know where my comments/viewpoints come from.>

Post: Tapout95:

[quote=Bloodybirds Tapout, just for your info…NB, Punchdrunk, and I all know him personally as he is a kung fu brother of ours from Texas who just moved out to Cali to go to school. Soo….in that respect, I personally know very well both parties to this issue and know their personalities. Just thought you would know….Wushu use to work out with a group of us, that I conduct, on Tuesday nights in the park separate from the school here. I am the one that recommended both the school he ended up studying at, under John Cheng (www.californiamartialarts.com), and Kisu (www.harmoniousfist.com) for those interested in seeing who we are talking about. So Tapout, very good point but just wanted you to know where my comments/viewpoints come from.[/quote 

Thank you for the clarification Bloodybirds. I was aware of all your connections. And if I respected anyone’s views on this topic, it would be yours. Seeing as you know both parties very well. I was just making a general statement. I was not trying to accuse one or the other. I just thought that Wushu might have been over-criticized in this situation. He just stated his personal opinion, which he is entitled to.

But then again, so is everyone else. Hell, I don’t even know what I’m trying to say here. hahah :? Lets just all be friends.>

Post: Yellow:

[quote=bamboo 

Judging someone because of the teeshirt they wear is just plain silly. For all anyone at the time knew he bought it off a website, it was a gift or was simply the only thing available to work out in.

-bamboo[/quote 

Ahh, let me clarify. The shirt was just understood as an indicator that the person wearing the shirt was more likely than not to have some experience in Martial Arts. It was not assumed it was worn in any negative intention. It simply was a flag as to a potential issue to assess. Not a prejudgement but rather a simple note that the matter needed to be observed. I think that seems reasonble.>

Post: Yellow:

[quote=Bloodybirds Yellow, Kisu knows me well and also knows my teachers Leung Shum, Ricky Anderson, and Jeff Bolt. In fact, since you studied some with Dr. Yang in Boston, we are second cousins and actually Wushu is as well. Jeff Bolt is the senior student of Dr. Yang and has been for 33 almost 34 years in Houston and in Boston. Your master can tell you about Jeff’s nature as well. I agree with Bamboo in certain aspects but I did warn Wushu before he left Houston to show masters out there respect since Sifu Bolt, unlike my other teachers Leung Shum and Ricky Anderson, is not a stickler for kung fu formalities as long as proper respect is shown between students and himself. Wushu did study also under Madame Wong and knows through me, that I do not wear any school shirts from my other two schools when training at Jeff’s and do not run any of my other forms except before or after class so Jeff is not insulted, whether he would take it that way or not. Sooo…there was a briefing of understanding. Wushu, as evidenced elsewhere on this site, has also been having trouble at his dorm room. I pray that my sidei sees the connection and pulls back a little. I have mentioned this to our Tuesday park group that Wushu used to attend with us and we all feel he should apologize to Kisu and then, if he trains with John Cheng, learn more of the tradition of the art from his seniors. John has some great darn dao and spear technique, two weapons Wushu loves to do (he is quite good at the spear).

Yellow, he is 19 and has made a mistake. He should be responsible for his actions, but be a true martial artist and pay respects you your teacher and my friend. If he did that, I know Kisu well enough that he would do anything for the boy….Kisu will bend over backwards to help someone if they show humility and truly are a good heart.

By the way, my friend, I will email you later today before going to practice at Jeff’s tonight. Joel says hello and we agree the three of us need to get together in Cali, Houston, or Atlanta and train/party together.[/quote 

I think these posts do great honor to you all and please understand I bear no ill will to a person learning. We are all on a path and at different places on that path. We can’t overly expect or judge others for not being at the same place as ourselves at any given point. Nor can we overly expect or judge ourselves to be further than others, since such thoughts often turn out to be foolish later on.

Please take my review of events as sharing something about my understanding of how our class approaches our classes.>

Post: Yellow:

[quote=Tapout95 

Thank you for the clarification Bloodybirds. I was aware of all your connections. And if I respected anyone’s views on this topic, it would be yours. Seeing as you know both parties very well. I was just making a general statement. I was not trying to accuse one or the other. I just thought that Wushu might have been over-criticized in this situation. He just stated his personal opinion, which he is entitled to.

But then again, so is everyone else. Hell, I don’t even know what I’m trying to say here. hahah :? Lets just all be friends.[/quote 

People are entitled to express an opinion, but not without accepting responsibility.

(And now for the corny. The pen is mightier than the sword. As such, great responsibility comes with great power.)>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Also, let me add that Wushu is incredibly talented in both school and martial arts, has great potential, and this is why we who are his brothers are saying to be humble and then move on. We actually do care about him and want to assist him because he is our brother…..no matter who he chooses to train with out in Cali.>

Post: Bloodybirds:

So, Yellow, based on those last comments, Batman or Spiderman? LOL.>

Post: nbotary:

I think that comment belongs to Superman, but I could be wrong…>

Post: Bloodybirds:

The Joker says the first one right after killing the rival mobster on the steps of the courthouse with a quill pen. First Batman, Jack Nickolson>

Post: bamboo:

Quote:
By the way, righteous new avatar you found!!!

Cheers! I love the crimson ghost!>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Then you must, like I did, loved Batman Begins. Well, time to leave work and actually go train for a couple of hours. May everyone have a blessed and safe evening!!>

Post: Yellow:

[quote=Bloodybirds So, Yellow, based on those last comments, Batman or Spiderman? LOL.[/quote 

You pose such a difficult choice Bloodybirds. Hmm, nice cars, money and toys versus poverty but cool innate powers. Doesn’t that seem like the conflict in every Kung Fu movie?>

Post: samurai6string:

you also forget though that Spiderman gets a hot red head. :lol:

…….did someone mention Scarlett Johanson a few posts back???? :twisted:>

Post: lokhopkuen:

Thank you all for your support and friendship.>

Post: Tapout95:

[quote=lokhopkuen I detect a note of sarcasm in your message so I ask have I “lost it anywhere here?”

Was violence threatened?

I did not come here to bully wushupadawan, I came to confront him about his behavior as well as his chatty catty comments about our humble group.

Since the young man hasn’t answered forward motion is called for. There is no threat implied. I invited him back to play gung fu because yes we do spar and have an intimate relationship with the subtitles of the combat applications. “Do we spar?” nigga please….

My students greeted him with open arms and fellowship and he took it for weakness egging on these guys for a sparring match behind some elitist smirk.

I know these people in my group some over ten years, all educated career Professionals who’s commonality is they are dedicated practitioners at a colorful local park full of immigrants and some chick wit dicks. If you don’t know what West Hollywood California is notorious for you do now. So my students these nice guys and gals who you’d have to go a long way to piss off, set me in shock when I saw this on our group discussion page:

<<Hehe. I remember this guy. He came wearing some other schools t-shirt and almost talked himself into an ass-whooping. Luckily Daniel was feeling cheery that day and we had a good belly-laugh over the incident instead. Carlton…I wouldn’t let this guys lack of awareness and respect get you too down. He’s clearly talking out of his ass, though in his world, I’m sure he thinks it’s his mouth. And why do Americans have such a bad reputation in the world? Get yo ass back from wherever you are
so we can see you again.

Me, I’ll take the trannys and the smokin’ russians to the above-thou suburban white-kids with a sense of entitlement we get every once in a while (coming from a suburban white kid ;)
At least the trannys are straight up…even when they’re gay! Hahahaha. >>

I never see stuff like this. They are always asking questions bout stance, cadence, essence, history. Now after one visit by WSPW two martial discussion forums are up in arms.

I appreciate your chiming in but don’t try the well because you are a SIFU you are supposed to be this way or that.

You be you I’ll be me.

No doubt you are entitled to your opinion.

Peace

Lokhopkuen

PS
Was he even talking to me? Ha ha ha ha!!!!!

[/quote 

[quote=Tapout95 I was just making a general statement. I was not trying to accuse one or the other. I just thought that Wushu might have been over-criticized in this situation. He just stated his personal opinion, which he is entitled to.

But then again, so is everyone else. Hell, I don’t even know what I’m trying to say here. hahah Lets just all be friends.
[/quote 

And no, I wasn’t being sarcastic, at least not when i said I considered myself fortunate to be able to talk to those of your stature and skill. But was it really necessary to call him a dick and sort? Yes, you have heard of him through reliable sources, but you have not met him in person. Maybe this was all just a misunderstanding? An accident? And why attack him about his major, talking about just how big of a mistake he may have made? Was that really necessary?

Sorry if i’m being out of line here, but honestly, just relax and try not to give such a fuck.>

Post: lokhopkuen:

Thank you all for your support and friendship.>

Post: Tapout95:

[quote=lokhopkuen Thanks for your response;
I call ‘em as I see ‘em to quote a local contributer. My guys said he acted like a dick, no it was not necessary but I felt like calling him one as well.

What is it to you? Are you maybe the same person in a different persona?

If you speak to me with respect and I in return treat you with utter contempt what name comes to mind? I impulsed on a stronger name and made a quick on the fly edit settling on DICK. Buzz buzzz.

Your mentioning my stature and skill become some type of implied threat to tip toe around?

Stop. I am not here to pick a fight.

I am a guy on this forum just like you. Did you see me use a title? Kisu is how I introduced myself. Never mind my supposed stature.

You say you consider yourself fortunate to read what someone of my ‘stature/ skill’ wrote yet you presume to correct my speech?

You are playing with me perhaps or maybe you are not reading what you wrote?

I made very clear statements and hi-lighted the logic path of my motives some how leaving you confused and you now nit pick me sidetracking on details distracting from the issue at hand?

What’s on your mind Sir?

Quote:
And no, I wasn’t being sarcastic, at least not when i said I considered myself fortunate to be able to talk to those of your stature and skill. But was it really necessary to call him a dick and sort? Yes, you have heard of him through reliable sources, but you have not met him in person. Maybe this was all just a misunderstanding? An accident? And why attack him about his major, talking about just how big of a mistake he may have made? Was that really necessary?

Sorry if i’m being out of line here, but honestly, just relax and try not to give such a fuck.

[/quote 

Hahaha, what makes you think that I want to fight? Have I said anything to could be considered a threat? You seem to want to read between the lines alot, instead of what is written there. When I say that i consider it fortunate to be able to talk to people with your skill level, you assume i’m being sarcastic. When I explain that I’m not being sarcastic, you think that I’m trying to pick a fight? Ever stop to think that I’m being serious? The reason I consider you to have high stature and skill is from Bloodybirds high regard for you and your credentials. However, this does not make me consider you to be above me. I believe everyone is on the same level.

Quote:
I made very clear statements and hi-lighted the logic path of my motives some how leaving you confused and you now nit pick me sidetracking on details distracting from the issue at hand?

How have I become confused? I think my statements were very clear and highlighted with the logic path of my motives…

If you read what I wrote, you will find that I never accused you of doing anything. I won’t lie, you were one of those that I was talking about. But certainly not the only one. But, by responding, you pointed yourself out, also showing confusion. I then responded accordingly, explaining what I meant. What is so wrong with that?

Honestly, I’m not trying to start another arguement here. I was just trying to say, maybe we should lay off Wushu a bit. Because on a grand scale, what he did was not that bad.

Oh, and I can understand your accusation that I maybe someone other then I come off to be. I can understand that. For all you know, I may be God, trying to spread the love through the internet. For all I know, you may be Tom Cruise. Thats the beauty of the internet.

No Hard Feelings?>

Post: zefff:

Ahhhh….If only you were Andrea Rincon. :oops:>

Post: nbotary:

If it were my girl Salma Hayek, Jessica Alba, C.J. Gibson, Jesse Jane, Nina Mercedez, Jenna Jameson or some other nice combination of all the above, you can bet your sweet ass I’d be spreading something other than love!!! :twisted: :lol: :twisted: :lol: :twisted: :lol:

Oh, I almost forgot, you Brit’s have Katie Price… or Sadie Jordan or whatever the hell her name is – smokin’ hot!!!>

Post: Bloodybirds:

NB, considering the life event about to happen, my brother, calm down. 8O :wink: To all: as we discuss the relative merits back and forth on this site, has anyone noticed that the person who began this topic and to whom most of this is directed has not made an appearance since the apology?! Nor has he responded in other fashion. I would be very interested in my young sidei’s feelings at this point about this issue. I will say, in his defence, that wearing the Yang Jwing Ming shirt was probably, in his mind a way of recognizing his master in Houston, Dr. Yang’s senior student and one of my teachers, and to subconsciously state he was also a martial artist. Unfortunately, like I have said, I do not believe he has been totally schooled in the true traditions, though like I said I did brief him in some before he left.

One other comment: anyone who has trained under bona fide masters, especially Chinese, but also others, can attest that sometimes they purposely speak in riddles or other methods to make the ones they are trying to teach lessons use their mind to think in alternative fashion. In this way, different levels of a technique or philosophy are discovered. For instance, one of my masters once made me learn two of my forms from end to beginning as well as reverse and then after I almost blew my brain doing it for a month, he revealed that the counter to any technique from the form was its reverse! Wow, two for one and escapes as well!! But, boy was that frustrating!! My point, ladies and gentlemen of the court, is to sometimes read between the lines in what is written or said from a martial arts adept…..there is usually more than one meaning. If my masters show me something, and 5 other people as well, in reality they might interpret and use it entirely different than me, since not all are short and handsome like me…. :P 8)>

Post: bamboo:

Holy drama batman.

Maybe everyone should just sit back and reflect a little. Has anyone actually suffered from this silly little thread? Other than self induced stress?

The only thing I’ve actually seen happen is one man’s school is on the recieving end of ALOT of promotion.

WUSHU- I have gained some respect for you in this case (not that internet respect means anything :lol: ), you stated your opinion and stood by your words. To me, thats one mark of a strong man.

-bamboo>

Post: dscott:

You know what I’ve also noticed? Lophopkuen, according to Wushu’s original post, wasn’t even there. So he’s hearing everything 2nd hand as well. I apologize if I’m mistaken.>

Post: lokhopkuen:

Thank you all for your support and friendship.>

Post: Tapout95:

[quote=dscott You know what I’ve also noticed? Lophopkuen, according to Wushu’s original post, wasn’t even there. So he’s hearing everything 2nd hand as well. I apologize if I’m mistaken.[/quote 

That was one of the points I was trying to make.

I’m sorry for what I’ve done, if I have annoyed away this member. It truely was not my intent. Nor was it my intent to be a “sharp tongued littel weasel” or to bait a fight. :roll: I know the vast majority of you on this page could put me into a coma.

Was what I said so wrong? If so, I would like to know, so I don’t make a future mistake.>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Kisu, my brother, there are other forums and topics on here that are actually pretty cool and worthwhile. And most people on here have some really great and in depth things to say. Unfortunately, I think Chinese martial arts in general extrapolates the importance of tradition, lineage, etc. more than most on a consistent basis. I mean no insult to any other style, I just find that sometimes, from a commercial perspective, our art/style tends to find a great conflict in this country between traditional values of kung fu and commercialism. We have spoke about this before. My brother Kisu, when it comes to martial arts, is like my Shaolin master Ricky Anderson…..you can insult anything else, make fun of anything else, but do not insult the art or his master (s). I have had a broad spectrum of this with my three teachers. From Sigung Shum and Sigung Anderson, who are very traditional, to Sifu Bolt, who is not. And yet, Dr. Yang, Sifu Bolt’s teacher, is also very traditional.

Sooo…..sometimes very hard to understand one’s reaction to these things but I hope in some way I have explained. Some of you may find it quaint or ludicrous in the days of MMA, UFC, etc., but people and schools like this still exist. I am sure that there are Japanese, Korean, Indonesian etc. schools here in the states that also still follow these precepts. Kisu started 41 years ago, my three masters between 33 and 61 years ago, and myself almost 30 years ago. Times were different then as far as martial arts tradition. If you do not believe me, watch old films of Bruce Lee at the Long Beach Internationals in 1964, or the old schoolers like Norris, Wallace, Stone, Steen, Lewis, Urquidez, etc who were fighting back then. Tournaments then were no pads, no point contact, and traditional in tone.

Enough said!!! I sound like an old fogey now, I know!!! But, my brother, go look at other topics on this site. I would say 90% of the folks on this site are dedicated, serious, and love the art as much as we do!! And the others, sooner or later they get ignored or banned!!>

Post: zefff:

You see now Tapout…if you were Andrea Rincon you wouldnt be getting yourself in these troubles now would you?! HAW HAW HAW!!! :lol:

lokhopkuen,

I think Tapout was being sincere, but I know its hard to read the tone of posts especially when we are all from different cultures. I noticed Wushu had a few run ins over the time he spent on here but none more than anyone else really (no where near) and he definitely didnt come across as a malicious or bad person at all, just a young, boisterous one. Everyone was young once – punish them with traing. :)

peace>

Post: Bloodybirds:

To all a good night, time to leave work and actually go train for a few hours. May the force be with everyone and keep everyone safe. Thanks to all for a vigorous discussion today.>

Post: samurai6string:

Not that my opinion really matters on this, but I think the apology was a little weak as well. A sincere apology shouldn’t have any conditions on it. WP basically said, “I’m sorry, BUT I don’t think I did anything wrong.” My 2 cents worth.>

Post: lokhopkuen:

Thank you all for your support and friendship.>

Post: bamboo:

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I am sure that there are Japanese, Korean, Indonesian etc. schools here in the states that also still follow these precepts

Oh there are. My old dojo was one of these. I thrived in this environment. It was great until sensei decided he wanted to try and control things off the mat.

-bamboo>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Bamboo, I had a similar issue for awhile with one of my three masters, my Shaolin master currently in Las Vegas from Dallas. He did the same thing and we did not speak for about 2 years. Finally, we had a meeting one late night at a hotel in Dallas and I was very open and blunt with him, figuring I might not walk out of there alive! Instead, he surprised me by saying he had been waiting a long time for one of his seniors to express their opinion without fear and tell him these things…LOL. Of course, he sure did not act that way before!! :? In any event, I have said enough….both my dear friend and brother Kisu and my young Sidei know how I feel. We have not heard back from my young brother but if I know him he has decided to get deeper into his studies and into his training at John Cheng’s. He knows where to find his brothers in Houston if he desires.

Kisu, if you get a chance, give my brother Joel in Atlanta a call. He would love to hear from you!! I will email you this weekend.

Bamboo, glad to hear there are schools like that on your side of the fence too!!>

Post: zefff:

Quote:
Finally, we had a meeting one late night at a hotel in Dallas and I was very open…

*Cue buicken!* :lol:>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Zefff, why must we cue Buicken….LOL….did my last comment warrant a pink belt….wahhhhh!!! :( :( :cry: Okay…..maybe a little too weepy…..I will try to refrain, but you must admit it touched you at least a little bit!!>

Post: dscott:

It’s not that he was saying you should get a pink belt…….he’s saying that Buicken would have a blast with your statement. Think about it “meeting one late night at a hotel in Dallas and I was very open”. :lol:>

Post: Bloodybirds:

To DScott and Zefff: Thank you for saving me from myself, next time I will make sure I keep my legs closed unless I am kicking…….whoooopsss!!! :P :P Maybe I should not use that tongue stick out symbol at this point….I have been happily married three times :oops:>

Post: zefff:

Quote:
I have been happily married three times

Keep saying that over and over :lol:>

Post: eternalstoodent:

This thread has clearly been overspoken, but as I was one of the cats present on the evening in question, I thought I would toss in my two cents…

I’m one of the students Wushu interacted with, I think. I remember the day quite well, but we get a lot of people sniffin’ at us, so my observations are me own.

I too came to lala-land from far away, with hopes of entertainin’ myself. I spent 2 1/2 years checking out schools in the area. All in all, I checked out about 25 schools in the LA area. I didn’t know “what” I was looking fer in a martial arts school, but I had a knack of seein’ what I wasn’t looking for. (I won’t bore anyone with specific details…with all the years of martial arts training in this forum, I am sure you have all seen more kung-foolery than I could imagine).

Suffice it to say, I am glad I was aware enough when I walked into the hfist (that’s harmonious to those not in the know ;) to see that I had found something really special.

I empathized with Wushu when he showed up, because who hasn’t acted like a know-it-all prick in their lives? Watching him be in this amazing park, with all this amazing shit going down around him, and being blind to it, made me wonder how many times that had happened to me that day?

Anyways, Wushu, it sounds like you found yourself a good school with proper kung-fu. Glad to hear it and hope the best for you. In fact, thanks a lot for posting about our school on this forum, cause if you hadn’t, I woulda never known you guys were here.

And I say Batman with Scarlett Jo and that hot chick from myspace as his sidekicks!>

Post: samurai6string:

[quote=eternalstoodent And I say Batman with Scarlett Jo and that hot chick from myspace as his sidekicks![/quote 

:idea: :idea: We have a winner :idea: :idea:>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Scarlett Jo in a Bat girl’s outfit on a motorcycle, have Alicial Silverstone all beat!! :wink: :wink: 8) And yes, I think we have put this topic to rest.>

Post: lokhopkuen:

Quoting: zefff;45460 
I myself have been in WP position and thought a school was crap. Best thing is to keep your opinion to yourself because what if Lophopkuen was a psycho teacher! Ive heard stories of people who have been hunted down and made example of before. Infact, with all the bashings I have given on here I am waiting for the day that someone recognises me and comes looking! :lol:

peace

Lokhopkuen IS a psycho teacher but he hasn’t hunted anyone down in years.

lol!!>

Post: bamboo:

LOL! well done.>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Yes my friend is psycho, but then he is a former Marine and a Shaolin master teacher in Hollywood drawing Avatar, shooting movies, and being a star!! Jeez, terrible to be insane, good at what you do, and making money at it! Loki, you da man!! But, I am biased and jealous….LOL!!>

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