starting drunken fist

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starting drunken fist
Original Poster: bradwong77
Forum: Kung Fu Styles, Chinese Martial Arts
Posted On: 28-10-2006, 01:18

Orginal Post: bradwong77: i’m thinking of starting drunken fist.
have you got any tips on starting this style. any tips would be great[color=darkblue [/color [/b 

Post: bamboo:

Make sure you get to spar on a regular basis.>

Post: Haas:

all too true. make sure its kool with your teacher ^_^

Read books on it and observe the style, if you can find a teacher that’s great, but if you cant try your best on developing the style based on the style you are already learning.

I am a self trained zui quan stylist and as you might know this way of fighting requires some extreme flexibility and speed so train every day, use it in sparring when you can and don’t neglect your first style.

Find an open field if you can somewhere were you wont be disturbed by passerby’s and practis rolling staggering falling maybe eaven fliping and kick-ups (something i have yet to master) windmills and extended backwerd roll and extended forward rolls. then try combining strikes with rolls and handstands and stuff. blah i hope this has been of some help>

Post: bradwong77:

what would be a good style to start because i don’t have a base style to work on.>

Post: bamboo:

Quote:
all too true. make sure its kool with your teacher ^_^

If your teacher won’t alow sparring, ask why. If you get the “deadly” excuse………>

Post: Haas:

Karate or Taekwondo are good basic styles, that is if you dont have any Wushu or Choy Lay Fut schools near by…if so you will wanna join one of them.>

Post: nbotary:

What do you mean that you don’t have a style to start with??? Are you just starting MA for the first time and just thought, “Hmmmm, I think I’d like to learn drunken kung fu…” or do you have a background in something else and you want to learn drunken in order to gain more experience??? I can tell you, if you don’t have a base to work from, learning drunken is going to be VERY difficult.>

Post: setsu nin to:

what would be a good style to start because i don’t have a base style to work on.

Its much more important who is your teacher than which style you practice. When you find good teacher you will find good style. So start with good teacher.>

Post: WushuPadawan001:

Drunken Kung Fu is too different a style from karate/TKD for a karate/TKD base to be very helpful. Odds are that youÂ’d build up a base only to have it torn down. If you want to learn drunken kung fu then build up a kung fu base. Longfist is great, so is Hung Gar (sp?)

Just an fyi: trying to learn drunken kung fu without a kung fu background* is like trying to scuba dive when you donÂ’t know how to swim.

*Kung fu background: IMHO at least three years of experience.>

Post: Stazzy:

I was planning on getting Bloody and Dawei to help me use drunken kung fu for conditioning purposes via the falls and suicide flips. I agree with the people that said it’s not a style you should start out with. If you’ve ever seen Drunken Master or The Legend of Drunken Master, you’ll see that Jackie Chan started learning drunken only after he’d already studied his father’s style of kung fu for many years. If you haven’t seen either of those, watch the first one just to get it overwith, and then watch the second one for some real entertainment.>

Post: WushuPadawan001:

The first Drunken Master did suck, it sucked hard.>

Post: Haas:

[quote=WushuPadawan001 Drunken Kung Fu is too different a style from karate/TKD for a karate/TKD base to be very helpful. Odds are that youÂ’d build up a base only to have it torn down. If you want to learn drunken kung fu then build up a kung fu base. Longfist is great, so is Hung Gar (sp?)

Just an fyi: trying to learn drunken kung fu without a kung fu background* is like trying to scuba dive when you donÂ’t know how to swim.

*Kung fu background: IMHO at least three years of experience.[/quote 

thats part of what i was trying to say, in order to lern this style one must first know of how it came to be. the first person or persons to come up with this style and kata didnt just get drunk and start fighting. rather they were already masters of different kung fu and brought it to a different level. so you must see that this is an advanced form of fighting, a style that like with wine gets better with age and experience so LERN A STYLE FIRST AND NON OF THE MC DOJO CRAP.

{p.s this message is nowhere near professionally written.}>

Post: bradwong77:

thanks guys for all your replies it was really helpful>

Post: Haas:

[quote=bamboo 
Quote:
all too true. make sure its kool with your teacher ^_^

If your teacher won’t alow sparring, ask why. If you get the “deadly” excuse………[/quote 

i think you misunderstood my post bamboo ^_^ i ment make sure its ok that you can use drunken fist>

Post: Bloodybirds:

First, as someone who practices xin jin quan along with my bird styles and tai chi, drunken is a form or movement, not a complete style. Most Northern, and a few Southern, have drunken technique or a complete form for drunken practice. For instance, Ying Jow Pai, or northern eagle claw, has a specific form at the end of the curriculum after 77 other empty hand and weapon forms before it. My Shaolin teacher incorporated drunken technique into our various animal styles as a way of teaching excellent dodging, relaxation, rolling, and fast movement. If you want to appropriately learn drunkard, as my compatriots have stated have as a base a kung fu style that will give you solid stance training and ingrained relaxation…there is NO tenseness in Drunkard or the purpose is defeated. Also, whether Pour the Wine Technique, Fairy plays the flute, etc. , all drunkard techniques require a knowledge of such things as straight drops, rolls, suicide flips, and other strenuous body movements. Therefore, find a master that can teach internal qigong, nei gung, and/or iron training to complement Drunkard.

Lastly, remember that to be a good Drunkard, one must be fearless inside, sacrifice the body, and absorb punishment to give it out. Dragon is also reknowned for this, but Drunkard takes less pounding. In effect, using drunkard is an excellent complement to understanding “going empty, dodging while attacking, and closing the gap.”

To be good, like any other major style of martial arts, will take you 8-15 years, and a change in mental training.

Otherwise, I toast your ambition with my plum wine jug, and wish you many bruises and lack of fear from falling……and that is without the drunken straight sword and drunken staff form you must also learn….LOL….those really hurt!!!>

Post: buicken:

I have tried drunken fisting training, it left me sore for days, good luck.>

Post: bradwong77:

was it really that hard>

Post: zefff:

Surely for a youth who is not used to all the bending and stretching to accomodate new positions and rigourous motions, the harder the better no?…

:lol: I’m sorry. I just cant believe Buiken got a bite with that one. :lol:>

Post: bradwong77:

thanks for all the replies i now know that i have to practice a easier style before moving on to the complex ones>

Post: zefff:

Stop and re-read the pink belts post again. It was a joke. You dont have to do anything ‘easy’. Do what you like. If your body can take it, do it.>

Post: nbotary:

Bradwong – you still have yet to answer whether or not you studied anything at all. Have you ever done martial arts or are you looking to start in martial arts??? If you’ve never done martial arts, drunken is NOT the way to start. If you have studied something before – Karate, TKD, Kung Fu – then drunken will be easier to learn. HOWEVER, you need to re-read what Bloodybirds wrote about it and make sure that you follow his advise. He’s taught me some drunken and it is not for someone who can’t learn to relax or take some abuse.>

Post: Haas:

found this thought it was funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bub-mI6jL8>

Post: buicken:

Zefff is correct, if your body can take it, go for it!!>

Post: bradwong77:

to answer nbotary’s question i haven’t studied a style before>

Post: nbotary:

[quote=bradwong77 to answer nbotary’s question i haven’t studied a style before[/quote Then I’m sorry to say, drunken is not for you. You need to pick a style, find a school and start there. After time, seek out someone who can teach you drunken techniques and movements. Good luck!!!>

Post: Haas:

Sorry for the necropost but i just have to point out what an AWSOME avatar bradwong77 has. end of message>

Post: bradwong77:

Thanks for all the replies :)>

Post: nbotary:

NECROPHILIA = When one has an uncontrollable urge to crack open a cold one…>

Post: Haas:

all cmon its just a month old, its still worm :wink:>

Post: Bloodybirds:

BradWong, one must also be careful when seeking a drunken teacher as xin jin quan or at least the form in a particular style is usually taught near the end of a curriculum and only after loyalty has been proven. Now, to be sure, drunken as taught by current Wushu curriculum (modern day usage of Wushu to connote post Mao in the mainland) is great and acrobatic, but IS not the same as traditional xin jin quan….so be careful when seeking a teacher. I would study long fist, or a favorable animal style like eagle claw, mantis, snake, monkey, etc for a few years before attempting drunken.

Otherwise, the key in any art is to spend the first 5-7 years learning the basics well as a foundation….then attempting the impossible…LOL!!

I am insistent upon this because I get truly irritated when other arts say kung fu cannot fight!! That usually means the modern art was taught, no real painful training, and the teacher was bad and did not really know the internal training to complement the external manifestations!! Fighting comes through fighting, applying learned methodologies until they are no longer techniques, but natural reactions to negative stimuli!!! Thus, Brad, learn the art well, and then the martial will come!! This applies to any art or derivative, whether Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Indonesian, Filipino, etc. All require years of hard work and pain to get it right…..>

Post: Haas:

nice post : ) verry deep i feel the same way when people say TKD cant fight>

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