Video game Kung Fu

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Video game Kung Fu
Original Poster: Haas
Forum: Kung Fu Styles, Chinese Martial Arts
Posted On: 01-06-2006, 21:49

Orginal Post: Haas: this might sound silly but do you think its realistic to mimic the moves or a character in a game in order to learn a style or technique

like say I try am trying to learn as much as I can about Zui Quan (drunken fist) I would buy a game that has the style and you study the moves and use them in sparing or whatever ^_^ I read about it and talk to my teacher but as far as learning movies I cant get much help from anyone in my area so what do you think??

Post: bamboo:

This is a terrible idea. A really terrible idea.

really terrible.

REALLY TERRIBLE.

just really terrible.

don’t do it.

its a really terrible idea.

-bamboo>

Post: Haas:

ok
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anyone else have any opinions>

Post: Gazelle:

Mate, if i think it is a bad idea, and i don’t know all that much in this area, and bamboo is writing all that, then, you can pretty much bet your bottom dollar that it is a bad idea.>

Post: Gazelle:

oops, sorry, i think we must hve posted at the same time!>

Post: Haas:

well I appreciate your wisdom but I have a herd time understanding if someone says no with no explanation. I post here to learn stuff and if I can’t win you guys over to thinking my way then I wouldn’t mind knowing why>

Post: bamboo:

Fuck other people’s opinions. If anyone tells you its good idea they are complete and utter idiots.

-bamboo>

Post: Haas:

ok buddy ill shut up now -_->

Post: zefff:

:lol: Haas, when u drop that shit mind you dont smash your mom’s favourite ornaments in the front room yeah! :lol:>

Post: bamboo:

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well I appreciate your wisdom but I have a herd time understanding if someone says no with no explanation. I post here to learn stuff and if I can’t win you guys over to thinking my way then I wouldn’t mind knowing why

Fair enough, heres an explanation. The people that design video games have absolutely no idea about the so called “martial art” they are using for the design. They are hiring and using actors to portray the techniques represented in the game. The actors in turn usually have no clue what they are doing and as well, when they do , what you are seeing is jackie chanesque “movie fu”, a repetoire of movements used to make impression on the audience, never the real thing.

In short, a video game is made to make ca$h, there is no reality in the game and copying the techniques from the game is a fast road to failure.

Back up- Pick the “mortal combat” series- look up the aikido character, not one technique he used is an aikido technique.

-bamboo>

Post: Haas:

[quote=zefff :lol: Haas, when u drop that shit mind you dont smash your mom’s favourite ornaments in the front room yeah! :lol:[/quote 

heh i go outside ^_^ but yes i have knocked things over when i fist started but i havent borken anything>

Post: Haas:

[quote=bamboo 
Quote:
well I appreciate your wisdom but I have a herd time understanding if someone says no with no explanation. I post here to learn stuff and if I can’t win you guys over to thinking my way then I wouldn’t mind knowing why

Fair enough, heres an explanation. The people that design video games have absolutely no idea about the so called “martial art” they are using for the design. They are hiring and using actors to portray the techniques represented in the game. The actors in turn usually have no clue what they are doing and as well, when they do , what you are seeing is jackie chanesque “movie fu”, a repetoire of movements used to make impression on the audience, never the real thing.

In short, a video game is made to make ca$h, there is no reality in the game and copying the techniques from the game is a fast road to failure.

Back up- Pick the “mortal combat” series- look up the aikido character, not one technique he used is an aikido technique.

-bamboo[/quote 

thanks and for the record i didnt know there was an aikido character in that game>

Post: bamboo:

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thanks and for the record i didnt know there was an aikido character in that game

I think his name was “kano”. He had three styles to switch to, it was on the Xbox.>

Post: sunnzi:

I agree with Bamboo! Terible, Terible Idea.

I actually used a video game to learn once and I must have missed something cuz the lightning bolt would come out my arse and not my hands. Big bucks$$$ to replace all those jeans and god forbid you get gassy :oops:>

Post: nbotary:

Bamboo, I’m not quite sure, but I’m thinking you feel this is a terrible idea. Am I understanding you correctly??? :wink: :lol:

Who is the Aikido guy in the Mortal Combat game???

Good one sunnzi, good one!!! :wink: :lol:>

Post: Tapout95:

I don’t think its possible to learn the move the way its meant to. Left – Left – Up – X just doesn’t quite tell you the footwork for it. Or the balance. But hell, if its the best you got, why not try it? just don’t think of yourself as “trained fighter”, if you do.

Perfect example of unrealistic MA game – SHENMUE – in it, two guys take on 80. :roll: I would like to see that in real life.

And Scorpian was by far the best MK character. How badass is shouting “cm’here” and then having that thing come flying out of your hand? What style of martial arts would you call that? :lol:>

Post: nbotary:

Scorpion IS Mortal Kombat!!! :twisted: My favorite technique with him is to draw him in with the spear, followed by an uppercut and then use a tele-port punch!!! Maximum aggression, maximum damage!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:>

Post: Stazzy:

I don’t see everyone’s problem with the guy’s suggestion. I think this is a great idea. I remember spending countless hours perfecting my uppercutting technique from my NES version of Super Mario. First time I used it in a fight, all I had to do was run up to my opponent screaming, “1 UP!” and the fight was over within seconds. Oh, it also helps to eat a couple of mushrooms before your fights in case your opponents start firing fireballs at you.>

Post: Gazelle:

Yes, i’m afraid i’m going to have to admit that that was a good one, sunzi.>

Post: bamboo:

Haas,

Don’t take all this piss taking as a bad thing, its a learning experience.>

Post: Haas:

:lol: lol i don’t give a shit. some times when you ask a stupid question you get stupid answers>

Post: WushuPadawan001:

Just since drunken kung fu was mentioned?.as to my knowledge Drunk is a form not a style. Also, drunk forms are usually very difficult to practice. So?.try looking at kung fu schools of multiple styles and ask if they have a drunken form; but don?t expect to learn it right away. It may take a few years of practice before someone will teach you such an advanced form.

On the topic of video games:
Street Fighter II > Soul Caliber > Dead or Alive > Mortal Combat

HADOKEN!>

Post: Haas:

not true its only taught as a from but it is a style it is a way of fighting. TKD has forms to, take away the sparring practice and it is still a style>

Post: WushuPadawan001:

A valid point you have their Haas. But, take the popular forms ?Zuibaxian? and ?The Drunkard Catches the Monkey? (sorry, don?t know the Chinese name). ?Zuibaxian? imitates the drunken movements of the Eight Immortals, and ?the Drunkard Catches the Monkey? imitates what its namesake implies. In one regard these forms are part of the greater Drunken Style.
Now take more common forms like ?Drunken Crane,? and ?Drunken Monkey.? This is where Drunken classification gets tricky. ?Drunken Crane? consists of Drunken and Crane movements, where ?Drunken Monkey? is made of Drunken and Monkey movements. So, are these forms of the Drunken style or their respective animal styles? See the problem?
I suppose it does not really matter. Kung fu is kung fu after all.>

Post: Haas:

classifing this style can be tricky but i like how this guy put it

“There are two kinds of Drunken Boxing, traditional and contemporary. Traditional Drunken Boxing is fight oriented. Contemporary Wushu Drunken Boxing is acrobatic and is very different from the Traditional Drunken Boxing. Contemporary Wushu exaggerates its drunken appearance, so much so that anyone actually under the influence of alcohol would have a tough time performing such actions. Traditional Drunken Boxing also involves stumbling and staggering, but not to such an extreme as Contemporary Wushu Drunken Boxing.”- Wikipedia

now its either that, Or your saying that the drunken style is just a spin on all the other styles that were ever made as in your learn the froms first being sober were your movements are less out of place then drunk but as you said kung fu is kung fu>

Post: zefff:

Wikipedia? 8O :cry:>

Post: Haas:

indeed.. why the people there have no idea that they are doing ether?>

Post: wingchunnz255:

Hmmm interesting i dont really mind as long they dont advance techniques in it maybe just intermediate level.

Mostly games that are made by japanese people i,e tekken usually the best in those type of games is karate or Ninjutsu which is fine just they tend 2 put down chinese martial arts and others.

I just wouldnt mind a game with some realism.>

Post: Haas:

tekken 5 has like 6 chinese styles out of 33. that isnt soo bad
ever play virtua fighter ??

http://www.virtua-fighter-4.com/frameset.html>

Post: Gazelle:

[quote=nbotary Scorpion IS Mortal Kombat!!! :twisted: My favorite technique with him is to draw him in with the spear, followed by an uppercut and then use a tele-port punch!!! Maximum aggression, maximum damage!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:[/quote 

I remember we had a mortal combat game years ago, i think on the PS1. I got in the habit of using this female character, i can’t remember who, but she wore a green suit, and there was this one technique i used to like using, everytime she did it she would say, ‘A strike of lightening’, i think, unless i’m getting it muddled, yes i think i might be, but anyway, my brother started to get annoyed, one because i was using that technique a fair bit, and two because he never won, it was slightly out of character for him, but he actually hit me, he was fuming! My dad got rid of the game after that.>

Post: WushuPadawan001:

To me Drunken Kungfu has always been a modification to a style rather then a style unto itself. Hence Drunken Monkey, Crane, etc. (where the animal style is the foundation and drunken movements modify it) Of course that?s just my take on it.

The problem with the Wikipedia definition is that it generalizes the topic to Traditional vs. Contemporary when the issue at hand is purely in the Traditional category. (There are many Traditional Drunken forms where there is only one standardized Wushu Drunken form) Though Traditional Drunken forms are not as acrobatic and flashy as their Wushu counterparts, the Traditional forms are meant for lithe practitioners.

To summarize, Drunken Kungfu is not the difference between pre and post-Cultural Revolution Kungfu, nor is it a ?spin? off other systems. It is a powerful modification, a different approach to established styles.

An important side note: I don?t think there is really one ?right? answer to this argument. I just wish to explain my modus operandi to Drunken Kungfu.>

Post: Haas:

heh by spin i ment modification>

Post: dojutsu:

I thought the whole idea of “drunken style” kung fu was based on the style called 8 drunken immortals or something?

Or is that just a form and im gettin it twisted? :oops:>

Post: BLACK PANTA:

[quote=WushuPadawan001 To me Drunken Kungfu has always been a modification to a style rather then a style unto itself. Hence Drunken Monkey, Crane, etc. (where the animal style is the foundation and drunken movements modify it) Of course that?s just my take on it.[/quote 

by this defination, then for instance Yang and Chen style Taiji is not a style but a modification aswell. :roll:>

Post: WushuPadawan001:

Haas: Gotcha. In any case, if you want to learn drunken you?ll likely be better off looking for a kungfu school that has a drunken form rather than a 100% drunken curriculum. Oh and to answer one of your questions (though not posed to me so forgive me for being presumptuous): I?ve sparred with someone who knows drunken kungfu. I can say without a doubt that it is very powerful and practical.

dojutsu: There is a very famous drunken form called Zuibaxian which imitates the drunken movements of the Eight Immortals. As I understand it this is only the case of one drunken form.

Panta: By this system of logic the Jewish/Christian/Muslim God is actually the modification of the Egyptian deity Aten who was made the sole god of Egypt under Amenhotep IV in 1352-1336 BCE (later named Akhenaten) and inspired the Jews to believe in one all powerful god.
Even under the same topic a statement is not absolute as each case is different.

I’m done here.>

Post: BLACK PANTA:

[quote=WushuPadawan001 Panta: By this system of logic the Jewish/Christian/Muslim God is actually the modification of the Egyptian deity Aten who was made the sole god of Egypt under Amenhotep IV in 1352-1336 BCE (later named Akhenaten) and inspired the Jews to believe in one all powerful god.
Even under the same topic a statement is not absolute as each case is different.
[/quote 

Just reading this crap, makes my head hurt, not to mention actually giving it any attention.

Quote:
I’m done here.

One could only wish>

Post: Haas:

[quote=WushuPadawan001 

Panta: By this system of logic the Jewish/Christian/Muslim God is actually the modification of the Egyptian deity Aten who was made the sole god of Egypt under Amenhotep IV in 1352-1336 BCE (later named Akhenaten) and inspired the Jews to believe in one all powerful god.
Even under the same topic a statement is not absolute as each case is different.

.[/quote 

I BEG! to differ with you on this point. MA might be one thing but Religon is another

“I?ve sparred with someone who knows drunken kungfu. I can say without a doubt that it is very powerful and practical.”

I am glad to hear that by any chance could you get me a clip of him sparring this might sound like a big favor to ask but I would be grateful to you>

Post: wingchunnz255:

I’ve seen drunken kung fu vrs karate clip on the net and the kung fu dude was getting pretty much owned and i felt sorry for him.

lol anyways yeah lol>

Post: Haas:

i have seen it to thos guys only studyed the form though

wich is why i would want to study a 100% drunken school>

Post: dscott:

[quote=wingchunnz255 I’ve seen drunken kung fu vrs karate clip on the net and the kung fu dude was getting pretty much owned and i felt sorry for him.

lol anyways yeah lol[/quote 

[url http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1614252265506729434&q=drunken+kung+fu[/url 

I too have also heard that this isn’t a true representation. I heard that it was a Kyokoshin school and it was all their own students. But that’s just what I remember hearing…..I have a horrible memory. :roll:>

Post: Haas:

well anyway Zui quan is its own style>

Post: bamboo:

good for you,now go train.>

Post: nbotary:

[quote=dscott [quote=wingchunnz255 I’ve seen drunken kung fu vrs karate clip on the net and the kung fu dude was getting pretty much owned and i felt sorry for him.

lol anyways yeah lol[/quote 

[url http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1614252265506729434&q=drunken+kung+fu[/url 

I too have also heard that this isn’t a true representation. I heard that it was a Kyokoshin school and it was all their own students. But that’s just what I remember hearing…..I have a horrible memory. :roll:[/quote 
Your memory is correct and has served you well, young one!!! :wink: :lol:

The whole clip is total bullshit. How do I know??? Becuase Bloodybirds knows a lot of drunken and has used plenty of it when kicking my ass and Wushu’s ass up and down the park!!! If you notice, you have a “Chinese” guy in a Japanese dojo. Uhhhh, hello McFly!!! Can you say P-R-O-P-A-G-A-N-D-A??? If you honestly think that the clip was real, then you’re fooling yourself. I mean seriously, let’s say I had my own Karate dojo and I invited someone like Bloodybirds in with the intent of trying to “prove” how one system is better than another, do you think I’d want it video taped if he started kicking my ass in my own school – especially in front of new/prospective students??? HEY’ELL NO!!! I’d only tape it if I was kicking his ass. Then I could use the footage later on when I held open enrollment for my school. All the suckers would think I was the king shit and I would be happy to take their money while they watched the tape!!!

Haas – as far as getting you a clip of Bloodybirds beating the shit out of Wushu and/or I, well, I would say “no”, but only becuase a Sith Lord is too kick ass to be video-taped (unless it’s in a porno!!! :wink: :twisted: :lol: ) and I don’t think Wushu would want to embarrased all over the internet!!! :wink: :lol: Just kidding. It’s something that he and I have discussed in so far as putting together some video footage in order to demonstrate techniques and remember forms and such. However, I can’t speak for Bloodybirds. You’ll have to send him a pm and ask him if he’d want to do it. Then, he’d have to get a sucker, I mean a partner, to kick the shit out of, I mean beat to hell, I mean demonstrate on. :lol: :lol:>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Sorry, I was drinking my…hiccup…plum wine when my brother called me about this post today. First, Xin jin quan is a drunken part of any Northern style of kung fu. For instance, the last form that is learned in Ying jow (northern eagle) is a drunken eagle form. My Shaolin master taught me drunken to go with my Nine birds family style as an additional technique. I have seen the video that is spoken about and the “drunkard” was Japanese, the drunkard he used was wrong as his waist action, foot positioning, and the attempted way he extended his postures was totally incorrect!! In fact, the drunk boxing is a good way to practice falls, rolls, and the drunkard’s attacks are by falling into the opponent at close range with weight and strike pressure points. As well, it is the most evasive way of fighting in kung fu because of its totally relaxed nature. In fact, the lesson to learn from this type of fighting, and what the original masters of this art were trying to dictate and decipher, was to be totally relaxed and accepting of the changing conditions of a true fighting experience. The mind must be totally relaxed and receptive of sacrificing a false door to achieve attack. From fairy playing the flute to serpent strikes the point, drunkard boxing is not a complete style but techniques incorporated into the body of major northern styles. I am not sure if most of the major Southern styles such as choy li fut or hung ga have drunken but I do not white crane has some great drunken components.

To Haas, nothing significant or great has been learned off video games or dvds or videotape. These tools are meant to be used as memory or supplementary tools and NOT as a replacement for a legit teacher. One can never learn proper movement or understanding of the positioning presented on these modes unless there is already a background present from study that allows appropriate interpretation and correction. Kung fu especially has many great “video” masters who trace their lineage to Warner Brothers (see Enter the Dragon and the proper way to scream like a banshee). In any event, these are entertainment mechanisms. Mortal Combat is really cool schlock!!! (Yiddish for shit).>

Post: Haas:

[quote=Bloodybirds Sorry, I was drinking my…hiccup…plum wine when my brother called me about this post today. First, Xin jin quan is a drunken part of any Northern style of kung fu. For instance, the last form that is learned in Ying jow (northern eagle) is a drunken eagle form. My Shaolin master taught me drunken to go with my Nine birds family style as an additional technique. I have seen the video that is spoken about and the “drunkard” was Japanese, the drunkard he used was wrong as his waist action, foot positioning, and the attempted way he extended his postures was totally incorrect!! In fact, the drunk boxing is a good way to practice falls, rolls, and the drunkard’s attacks are by falling into the opponent at close range with weight and strike pressure points. As well, it is the most evasive way of fighting in kung fu because of its totally relaxed nature. In fact, the lesson to learn from this type of fighting, and what the original masters of this art were trying to dictate and decipher, was to be totally relaxed and accepting of the changing conditions of a true fighting experience. The mind must be totally relaxed and receptive of sacrificing a false door to achieve attack. From fairy playing the flute to serpent strikes the point, drunkard boxing is not a complete style but techniques incorporated into the body of major northern styles. I am not sure if most of the major Southern styles such as choy li fut or hung ga have drunken but I do not white crane has some great drunken components.

To Haas, nothing significant or great has been learned off video games or dvds or videotape. These tools are meant to be used as memory or supplementary tools and NOT as a replacement for a legit teacher. One can never learn proper movement or understanding of the positioning presented on these modes unless there is already a background present from study that allows appropriate interpretation and correction. Kung fu especially has many great “video” masters who trace their lineage to Warner Brothers (see Enter the Dragon and the proper way to scream like a banshee). In any event, these are entertainment mechanisms. Mortal Combat is really cool schlock!!! (Yiddish for shit).[/quote 

*sigh* I am not trying to replace a teacher I am without a teacher (as far as kung fu that is) and TRUST me i have looked. the original idea of this topic was to ask if video games moves or stances would be useful in building up the style, to maybe give you an idea of how a kick should look. I have used the style myself and have both won and lossed in tournaments and practices and although I might not be up to your level of understanding “proper” movements i am trying damn it>

Post: bamboo:

Quote:
I have used the style myself and have both won and lossed in tournaments and practices and although I might not be up to your level of understanding “proper” movements i am trying damn it

Noone to train with but a population of martial artists large enough to hold tournaments?

If your learning from video games, movies or books and you have no formal training I don’t care how hard you try, your not practicing whatever style you claim unless its “haas-fu”.

If your winning tournaments (which I find HIGHLY suspect) then WTF do you care what a bunch of internet personalities think?

-bamboo>

Post: Haas:

i do TKD man thats my main stuff>

Post: Haas:

another thing is I don’t really care what you guys think I am just talking and speaking my mind b/c its fun to hear what people have to say but I do respect your opinion even if it dosent agree with mine

and for the record I have stoped the whol video game thing it was just an idea i had but it looks like it was a bad one>

Post: Stazzy:

Don’t listen to them! Your goal in life should be to bring PANDAmonium to the masses.>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Per Stazzy, I think we may also have a generation gap here as well. Haas, my comments were not meant as direct criticism but rather my general feelings about video kung fu. I have seen too many people get hurt in real fighting and tournaments believing that the concepts they saw on the video were deep enough to really use, other than a forms competition. And, frankly, I can usually tell as a judge if someone did not learn from a legit master…..weaknesses in proper focus, stances, target areas, movement, and waist action non-existent. Just a further observation.>

Post: wingchunnz255:

All this drunken kung fu making me wanna get drunk lol so i will.

Yeah kinda werid how u got a drunken monkey and a drunken eagle and stuff did chinese like 2 get their animals drunk or something lol anyways ima keep drinking lol keeping the faith!!!>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Wing chun, a drunken chicken running through the streets of Kowloon is pretty funny….and you can learn alot from watching a drunken female mantis trying to eat her mate…..sometimes she eats herself. Seriously, kinda how the techniques were discovered. Basically, the drunken form in each Northern style is a good methodology for teaching the practitioner great balance, ground rolling, relaxation, and reacting to changing conditions seamlessly. As a training regimen, it really trains the body’s flexibility, hardness, and appropriate attitude for the parts of the art.>

Post: Haas:

but dose it teach you to spar :? btw this is the biggest topic i have ever made ^_^>

Post: wingchunnz255:

[quote=Bloodybirds Wing chun, a drunken chicken running through the streets of Kowloon is pretty funny….and you can learn alot from watching a drunken female mantis trying to eat her mate…..sometimes she eats herself. Seriously, kinda how the techniques were discovered. Basically, the drunken form in each Northern style is a good methodology for teaching the practitioner great balance, ground rolling, relaxation, and reacting to changing conditions seamlessly. As a training regimen, it really trains the body’s flexibility, hardness, and appropriate attitude for the parts of the art.[/quote 

So i have to get drunk lol>

Post: Bloodybirds:

A jug of plum wine is the preferable choice, though for our Japanese martial arts practitioners, they may prefer sake :lol: :lol: :lol: In any event, in true Xin jin quan one only needs to envision total relaxation or drunkedness. It is parallel to the animal styles where one eventually tries to imitate the particular animal’s fighting attitude, vision, etc. Wing chun, probably would be hard to keep the focused center line doing bil gee or sil lum tao at the same time (sorry about spelling if wrong) :D 8)>

Post: Haas:

interesting do you mean to say that you drink when you train?

how well dose that work out for you ?>

Post: Bloodybirds:

If I am training my drunkard in combo with my Shaolin nine bird, my Ying jow eagle, or my white crane/long fist (all birds) no I do not need to drink. After awhile, it becomes a state of mind and one can envision, just like with the animal styles, the mind set to accomplish the movements. As a fighting regimen, it is quite effective as a counter or defensive art and, in combo with animals, can be very offensive and defensive simultaneously. Haas, when I mentioned those drinking aids I was mimicking the old days when the true drunkard masters would drink enough to fight naturally in their form. Of course, that is neither suggested nor effective today, though if semi drunk and a calm drunk one can be relaxed and still fight with relative skill…..but by accident! :twisted: :twisted:>

Post: Haas:

that’s what I thought…you are basically trying to sample what its like to be drunk and fighting

although when I train I like to take a large sip of water before I go in for class. somehow it makes me feel like I can move easyer and more fluid>

Post: opariser1001:

[quote=Haas although when I train I like to take a large sip of water before I go in for class. somehow it makes me feel like I can move easyer and more fluid[/quote 

:? :roll:>

Post: nbotary:

[quote=Haas although when I train I like to take a large sip of water before I go in for class. somehow it makes me feel like I can move easyer and more fluid[/quote And before I go for a run, I like to eat a bunch of chili and cabbage so when I fart, it makes me feel like I’m getting an explosive burst of extra speed… :roll:

Haas, you’re one step away from me nominating you for a rainbow belt with a comment as retarded as the one you just posted… :evil:>

Post: Haas:

meh do what you will i said what i said retarded or not. i would have took it off but someone quoted it b4 i realised it was stupid. now there is just no point ^_^>

Post: Gazelle:

Everyone has their off moments.>

Post: nbotary:

[quote=Haas meh do what you will i said what i said retarded or not. i would have took it off but someone quoted it b4 i realised it was stupid. now there is just no point ^_^[/quote I’m totally lost here… What the fuck are you trying to say???>

Post: Haas:

I am trying to say that, yes what i said was stupid. And i dont care what you try to do to make me look foolish :? also I was trying to point out that I didn’t explain what I meant clearly and that post was repetitive to begin with>

Post: bamboo:

This is over.>

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