Wudang Kung Fu

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Wudang Kung Fu
Original Poster: peipei
Forum: Kung Fu Styles, Chinese Martial Arts
Posted On: 21-02-2006, 14:45

Orginal Post: peipei: If you’re interested in internal martial arts, my master has a new website with video/pix. He teaches wudang kung fu, tai ji, ba gua, xing yi, qi gong, nei dan, meditation.

www.wudanggongfu.com

Post: Hengest:

I don’t know if it’s working for him. If he was born in 1971, he’s only a couple of years older than me, but he looks old enough to be my grandad.>

Post: peipei:

ok, pretty boy, workout in your comfy dojo, eh?

he previously trained in shaolin for 8 years… hard to turn the clock back on that.>

Post: bamboo:

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and at 16 he studied Shaolin wushu for 3 years

Learn to read. This is from your site.

Pretty site.

What do you practice there besides blatent marketing on websites?

-bamboo>

Post: zefff:

He looks alrite to me. No gray hairs. Any sparring (emptyhand and weapons) or just forms and condition taught?>

Post: nbotary:

Let’s wait and see what Bloodybirds has to say about this guy… If he’s truly Wudang, then both Bloodybirds and his master will know who he is…>

Post: BLACK PANTA:

[quote=peipei ok, pretty boy, workout in your comfy dojo, eh?

he previously trained in shaolin for 8 years… hard to turn the clock back on that.[/quote 

Hengest was making an observation. You are making an Assumption, and by your dumbass assumption I too will make an assumption and assume that in your Kwoon they dont teach respect, and keeping your anger in check. You dont represent your Sifu very well. If you were my student I would disown you. You’re worthless, and not worthy of any teachers’ time. You’re hopeless.>

Post: nbotary:

By the way, where the fuck is this place???>

Post: BLACK PANTA:

but really Heng, he doesn’t look that old. Look at who you’re comparing him to. You. I mean you are the fairest of the knights aren’t you? :) ;)>

Post: zefff:

Panta man, that was a bit harsh no? I thought he gave as good as he got and was more witty in his comeback than disrespectful or angry.

As for Hengest, my image of him as a dark, brooding, 42 year old, heavy set, tatooed brawler with fag in corner of mouth and unshaven, unkept appearance – kind of like Marvin in Sin City – has been ruined! :lol:>

Post: BLACK PANTA:

[quote=zefff Panta man, that was a bit harsh no? I thought he gave as good as he got and was more witty in his comeback than disrespectful or angry.
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I guess the irony of my post was not conveyed well. I was showing how bad assumptions can get.>

Post: BLACK PANTA:

[quote=zefff 
with fag in corner of mouth [/quote 

you know a fag in these here parts means a homosexual person, don’t you?>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Peipei, on your master’s site he says he trained in Shaolin for 3 years, not 8….I am confused. Secondly, if he trained in Shaolin but claims to be Wudang, that is very interesting since most of the Shaolin locations and the Wudang school were enemies, one being Dhan Buddhist based and the other Daoist? My Shaolin master trained under the Abbot Wang Fui Yen in Hong Kong from the Wudan school. Another question….your master’s site states that he is proficient in the three major branches of the internal arts plus two others that are relatively modern in nature. If he was born in 1971, how did he find the time to learn all of this in 35 years, maybe 25-30 years given infancy? By the way, it seems your location is in a beautiful part of Northern China? Is that true? I also saw your pricing…..seems very steep…for that price, just how much can one learn in one year? Does your master teach directly or are you taught by senior instructors? PeiPei, with respect, for someone with your master’s skills, I did not see a detailed description of his teachers’ history and legacy. Could you perhaps detail this more? Thank you.>

Post: Bloodybirds:

By the way, I sent an email to my Shaolin master today, gave him the website, and asked him to comment to me on his thoughts, or if either he or my grandmaster Abbot Wang Fui Yen in this style knows of him.>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Also, given this person’s internal style claims, I sent an email to Master Liang Shouyu in Canada, Master Adam Hsu in California, Master Johnny Lee in Dallas, my Ying Jow/Wu master in NYC, and Dr. Yang in Boston to see if any of these esteemed and recongized masters had ever heard of this gentleman.>

Post: nbotary:

Peipei – just to let you know, you just got called out…

Just so you know, if/when you post something like this, there are people on here who 1. know if it’s legit or not, 2. know other people to check with, and 3. will verify the authenticity of what’s posted. If it turns out to be bullshit, it’ll get moved to the “McDojo” forum, where we will be cold and ruthless bastards in our mockery of said school – i.e. see my post on “Master Thé”. That guy has bullshit all over his webpage. I wrote him an e-mail and posted it on here. I still haven’t gotten a response from that wanna-be…

I hope for your sake that you’re able to answer Bloodybirds’ questions or you’ll end up getting owned like a $2 whore on payday… :evil: :twisted: :evil: :twisted: :evil: :twisted:>

Post: WushuPadawan001:

Just looking at the pictures on the website I am inclined to think that this master is more Wushu than Wudang.
Nevertheless, I hope I’m wrong in that assumption.>

Post: setsu nin to:

Bloodybirds

Congratulation, that was great!!!>

Post: setsu nin to:

Master Yuan learned singing for two years, is there any mp3?>

Post: Hengest:

[quote=zefff As for Hengest, my image of him as a dark, brooding, 42 year old, heavy set, tatooed brawler with fag in corner of mouth and unshaven, unkept appearance – kind of like Marvin in Sin City – has been ruined! :lol:[/quote 

You only got the age wrong mate. :D>

Post: setsu nin to:

Hi peipei! Could you ask Master Yuan is he would like to join to my band as singer? Our old singer (one sitting down) went to practice BJJ under 1500 years old BJJ master Chuck in Okinawa.

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Post: Bloodybirds:

Thank you Setsu…my feeling, and my classmates NB and Wushu will tell you, we all work and train very hard under very legit and good masters over many years of pain and personal sacrifice to become maybe a tenth of what our masters are. For someone to claim legitamacy without using the standards of it (ability to trace lineage, not contradict oneself during assertions or arguments, and not being mysterious/evasive when someone asks) is setting himself up for a fall on this site. Also, as all of us know, in the Chinese arts it is pro forma that one has the ability to trace one’s lineage back at least 3 generations and usually, if legit, other masters have heard of yours, whether you are domiciled in North America, China, Hong Kong, etc. Also, just one other comment…did you notice that so far, whether it was my brother calling out a student of Master The from Shaolin Do or me with PeiPei, we have yet to have a response. Should be interesting. Hope everyone is having a great weekend.>

Post: peipei:

The website is correct. What should be more clear is that Zhong Yun Long is Master Yuan’s shifu. They’re both registered at Zi Xiao temple in Wudang.

For basic info in the Wudang sect, which includes the Sanfeng sect: http://www.eng.taoism.org.hk/general-daoism/major-daoist-sects/pg1-3-25.asp>

Post: WushuPadawan001:

Ok, so I finally took the time to watch the videos that are provided on the website.
From what I can tell I?d say that we are giving peipei and his master a bit too much guff. The master has excellent stance work, balance and hang-time, as well as great weapon control. His speed seems to be quite good too (wont say anything about power, I couldn?t really tell just from watching the video).

Maybe this master is not a legitimate Wudang master, maybe he?s just an excellent Wushu practicioner, but at the very least he is a skilled martial artist who deserves some amount of respect.>

Post: BLACK PANTA:

[quote=WushuPadawan001 Ok, so I finally took the time to watch the videos that are provided on the website.
From what I can tell I?d say that we are giving peipei and his master a bit too much guff. The master has excellent stance work, balance and hang-time, as well as great weapon control. His speed seems to be quite good too (wont say anything about power, I couldn?t really tell just from watching the video).

Maybe this master is not a legitimate Wudang master, maybe he?s just an excellent Wushu practicioner, but at the very least he is a skilled martial artist who deserves some amount of respect.[/quote 

wow, wushu, have you reached such a rank that you can critique another person’s form, stances etc etc. If so you should change your name to WushuMassa, or I like this on MushuWushuSashiMassa.

I wanted to tell y’all earlier that y’all would look pretty red if/when he came back with some serious credentials. I didn’t look at the site he provided so I won’t coment of his credentials. I just ragged on him cuz he couldn’t take a smirk comment by my boy Hengest.>

Post: Gazelle:

Anyone of any rank can critique something, how well and accurate they fo it is another question. Not that i’m ganging up on you Wushu, for all i know you are a very high grade, i have heard already that you are good, i’m just simply stating a fact.>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Wushu is currently at an intermediate rank and his forms are pretty good. As far as Peipei and his master, all I have requested is some lineage and some more detail on the school’s background. Traditionally, one test of one’s legitamacy is to be able to trace lineage in the Chinese martial arts. It is one trait that sets us apart but, unfortunately, sometimes does not allow us as an art to compete with tae kwon do, karate, etc. as a popular art because we become infatuated with everyone’s true training, etc. I concur with those that say we may be a little harsh on Peipei but I have looked at the videos as well. And, since I have alot more background in both training and competing than Wushu, I have observed that this master does have significant physical skill and his forms are very decent. However, if he is on the mainland these days, and was born in 1971 and started training in 1978 (the same year I did), then this was shortly after the Cultural revolution ended in 1976 after an 8 year reign. Most traditional Shaolin, Wudang, etc. artists had to go underground, especially the masters. If that is true, then my question to Peipei would be how his master found a true master of traditional Wudang in this atmosphere and was able to train without punishment or discovery from the Chinese government? His skills do look more wushu than traditional (note the position of feet in his stances, his punching relative to his body, etc. that reflect more of a wushu type background than traditional kung fu).

It is sad that some great teachers from the 60s and 70s were either lost, punished, or “re-educated” during this time and the great knowledge that either migrated to Hong Kong, Taiwan, or North America during this time. Madame Wong Ju Rong, who recently passed away and whose father is generally recognized as the greatest mainland martial artist of the 20th century and a national treasure, had to adjust some of her teaching/training during this time period with her husband Dr. Cheng De Wu in order to preserve their well being and that of their three daughters. Soooo….this master claims to know the true internal Wu Dang and Shaolin at the same time all of this was occuring in the mainland. (As an aside, my Ying Jow master, Leung Shum, returned to China in the mid-80s to seek out traditional eagle claw vs. wushu eagle, and he could only find one old man who did not practice anymore….the rest had moved to Hong Kong, the US, or stopped training).

Though Wushu is still young in his art (little over 5 years) he has trained with both Jeff Bolt (the senior of Dr. Yang Jwing Ming), and Madame Wong and her daughter here in Houston before she died. Thus, his length of service is relatively short compared to some of us but his pedigree is beyond reproach.>

Post: WushuPadawan001:

:D>

Post: nbotary:

[quote=WushuPadawan001 :D[/quote Just remember to not let that go to your head…>

Post: Bloodybirds:

NB…he will not, because as we all know we have some good ole ego busters here in Houston. Even at the high level….LOL!!!!>

Post: BLACK PANTA:

[quote=Bloodybirds  Traditionally, one test of one’s legitamacy is to be able to trace lineage in the Chinese martial arts. It is one trait that sets us apart but, unfortunately, sometimes does not allow us as an art to compete with tae kwon do, karate, etc. as a popular art because we become infatuated with everyone’s true training, etc.[/quote 

I dont mean to pick apart your post, but this stands out to me. It is very difficult to prove one’s true lineage in the CMAs, unless it is in Taiji (Wudang/Chen/Yang) styles, Hung Ga, Ba Gua, Sanda. The other styles and even with the styles mentioned, a Master will not be able to provide solid proof of his/her lineage. Most Masters in China are heirs to family styles/training/teaching. If not for the good documentation and relative celebracy of Hwang Fei Hung, we wouldn’t really have the proof of his lineage of Hung Ga. Also due to the poor documentation of CMA lineage/family trees, these so called “masters” and “Grand Masters” pop up everywhere. Almost anyone can provide a “Lineage” that can’t be proved or dis-proved due to the poor documentations.
It’s late but I had this on my mind, so please forgive if it makes no sence, but I’m sure my point was made clear.>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Black Panta, usually good points. I am very fortunate in that two of my three teachers, Jeff Bolt and Leung Shum, their lineage is well documented and publicized, tracing back many years. On the other hand, my Shaolin master’s lineage I can trace back 3 generations to the temple but that is it. Sooo…in modern America, I think you raise valid points. However, as I said, I am fortunate in that my teachers’ lineages are well-documented in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and the mainland.

However, I will generally concede your point, and unfortunately that is part of the problem…lol. And, believe me, early or late, your point was quite clear and valid….lol.>

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