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Why practice obsolete weapons?
Original Poster: bamboo
Forum: Martial Arts Weapons
Posted On: 07-05-2007, 14:40

Orginal Post: bamboo: I train my sword work more than any other aspect of MAs, and the queston sometimes comes up as to “why” amongst my small circle of friends.

Building perception, and the ability to read a situation and people around you is a much negelcted yet enormously important aspect of studying martial arts, at least in my humble opinion.
The art of awareness, posture, breathing, the ability to keep calm under pressure, the art of seeing movement from the very moment it begins, the mindset of direct entry without hesitation regardless of the outcome.

I know that without the physical skillset you cannot call yourself a martial artist, I just think too much emphasis is put on physical skills without much training in the so called “internal aspects” (I’m not talking about “chi, ki, prajna” or whatever mystical activities some people play with). Working with the sword has given that. Not just cutting and footwork but actual sparring using leather bound shinai ( yes they sting like hell when you get hit by them).

There are of course many vehicles to gaining the attrributes I so covet but thought I would mention one that is often over looked. Its also fun as hell.

Well, enough of this, I need more newaza practice, I may be calm and know how to breath, but the ground aspect of my “game” is sorely lacking, back to the physical. :lol:

-bamboo

Post: dscott:

You do it because you enjoy it……is that not enough? :D>

Post: bamboo:

Definately. Most never try without a reason though.>

Post: BLACK PANTA:

I personally dont find any weapon obsolete. So I dont find the training futile.>

Post: zefff:

3 section staff? :lol:

Actually I find sword and knife practice has effects that are far reaching and gives insight into all ranges and types of combat.>

Post: Robert_RedBeard:

Sure some old weapons may be obsolete.

But the knowledge of those simple weapons is valuable IMHO. Never know when you may have to improvise something.

As far as staff, sword and knife type weapons go, I agree that they teach you much about distance, timing and the practicality of one’s techniques.>

Post: setsu nin to:

Obsolete? Well maybe you are right, but I will never admit it! :lol:

Lets take sword for example, practicing kenjutsu you get some great skills, that can be more than useful in unarmed combat. Great foot work, way to avoid attack, timing when to attack, you develop your muscles, its great for concentration? one advantage of sword art is that you cant have so realistic unarmed training as when real blade is attacking you, maybe even worst is naginata. I cant help to myself, but there is no unarmed drill that ever helped me to break fear from real combat, but yari, naginata and sword helped me. During the sparring I always know that its not for real, no mater who my opponent was or where we were or which rules we had, but when you see blade of naginata and its speed and power you know that its just training, but?>

Post: Stazzy:

Weapons like the staff and spear also teach you to focus your power into a point. If you can extend your chi to the end of a spear, you can easily extend it to the end of your fist.>

Post: Tease T Tickle:

I find it humorous that this thread was started by an aikidoka and no mention was made about using weapon forms to inspire empty-hand forms. The sword was highly important to O Sensai for designing and refining the techniques in his style.

In fact, if you think of some basic weapon motions, like thrusting with a spear, you can see very evidently how the same motion is used in certain Chinese lineages for hand strikes.

My personal favorite, though, is finding the martial arts in everyday activities. When my hands are full of groceries, I close the door with a hook kick. When I am done cleaning behind my fridge, I take its balance and move it back with a Ko Soto Gari. When I am at the club, I do not dance, I shadowbox.>

Post: Gazelle:

[quote=Tease T Tickle My personal favorite, though, is finding the martial arts in everyday activities. When my hands are full of groceries, I close the door with a hook kick. When I am done cleaning behind my fridge, I take its balance and move it back with a Ko Soto Gari. When I am at the club, I do not dance, I shadowbox.[/quote 

I admit, i do things like that, only my hands don’t always have to be full of shopping.>

Post: zefff:

[quote=Tease T Tickle  When I am at the club, I do not dance, I shadowbox.[/quote 

Theres always ‘one’ at the club. :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:>

Post: Tease T Tickle:

[quote=zefff Theres always ‘one’ at the club. :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote 

I am one.>

Post: Stazzy:

[quote=zefff [quote=Tease T Tickle  When I am at the club, I do not dance, I shadowbox.[/quote 

Theres always ‘one’ at the club. :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote 

Could be worse. Remember that one guy on Chapelle’s show that always does the robot?>

Post: Tease T Tickle:

[quote=Stazzy Could be worse. Remember that one guy on Chapelle’s show that always does the robot?[/quote 

And what is wrong with the robot? :lol:>

Post: bamboo:

Quote:
I find it humorous that this thread was started by an aikidoka and no mention was made about using weapon forms to inspire empty-hand forms

You are of course quite right Des. :D I guess for me it goes hand in hand that the two are but one in the same. :D

Excellent point.

-bamboo>

Post: Bloodybirds:

I love sparring with my staff against another classmate and his staff in the school, the sound and timing help the empty hand. Also, I find myself taking my broom at home and playing with that all the time…the sweeping techniques are awesome…lol….a kung fu bro of mine recently made two great knives for me so I practice my 8 directional cutting at home,etc. I find the darn dao sword excellent for learning waist movement, foot movement, and extension of cutting, while I find the straight gim fun for learning subtle wrist movements and smaller circular manifestations.

I believe weapons training is essential to learn total extension of the technique for empty hand, short and long fa jing and power, etc. And, the knives and staff are very useful for street. The two short rods, either Chinese or Filipino, are great for picking up sticks in the street and defending oneself. All in all, weapons training is in some ways much more fun and rewarding. Besides, one should be able to run the form without the weapon and use the hidden techniques just as well performing it empty hand as with the weapon.>

Post: NathanRahl:

Yep, your a 30 yearn practioner of sword huh, and an expert in Kung Fu as well, uh huh. Here is a newbie phoney folks, look,and be amazed. Someone who is still pedlaing the old commerical dojo crap about how weapons and empty hand are interconnected, and that you must learn one to gain true mastery of the other. This kind of crap has been pedaled since the early days of Ed Parker and his commercial machine.

“Get the students in, offer em what they want, but only after they pay you five years of tuition, yep yep folks” LOL

Pal, if your some 50 something guy, or 40 something, who expects us to believe from your naieve talk and childlike exurberence over staf, and your ignorant talk, that you are a 30 year Kenjutsu follower, as well as now a Kung fu guy who is also an expert on the Chinese Ken, or Gim sword, as well as the Shaun Dao, and the staff, now, I would say, good luck.

Your what I like to call a genral practioner newbie noob pin head. You think you have all the answrs, and to cinvince yourself of that, you’ve read a lot of books, memorized a lot of history, liekly for a class you sem to be taking, , and now think your some real bad ass. You sound like a beginner to me sport. Wanna pass yourself of as an expert, know a little more aboutn what your talking about. Of course you have memorized books like the five rings, but do you really understand it. Ok, let’s find out.

Tell me, what is the proper sword grip? if you can answer that question, your in good stead.

When you move forward, exactly where doe’s your weight shift from, toe to heel, or heel to toe?

What other movements are there then simply moving frowards or backwards? When you cut with the blade, what part doe’s the arm play exactly? What other motions are there of the body?

What doe’s it mean to ride your opponents sword in?

What is the cut that becomes a thurst, the thrust that becomes a cut?

Which fingers on the hand control the sword?

Where exactly should you be looking when in combat?

What areas of the palm will become calloused if one wields the sword in the proper way?

Could you tell me how the cut and the thrust are similiar, and how they are different?

These are fairly simple questions that someone who has studied for 30 years wll be abe to answer “boom” just like that. How do I know, because in my life I have met no more then a handful and half of true master who could answer them al correctly. Wich is said, but not surprising, seing as there are so many lazy, fat, out of shape folks out there who don’t practice in the proper way, to gain the proper knwowledge.

Now if your the real deal, you will answer these questions. If your a fake, you will respond with a set of your own questions which are so vague and obscured that only you know the answers, something about history or some other nonsense that has ntohing to dow ith the sword. I have heard it all. “What is this step called” and “How doe’s the tigerbecome the crane become the dove” and other such responses that are really just foolish dodges.

“Oh you can’t answer my questions, so yours are not valid either, and your a fake, not me” These kind of responses are just simple ways o avoiding the truth, and sparing your ego the fact that your an amatuer and a fool, perhaps even a just plain idiot.

Oh, and theres a difference of course, my questions are simple, nothing clouded in some weird, foolishly named techniques, which are overly complicated, or died out hundreds of years agp. The language, as well as the intent, are uite clear and straight forward. I have made no attempt to overcomplicate my language, so as to make nit harder for you to answer, all in plain, simple, easy to understand, and answer, english. Easy to answer that is, if your the real deal. Only a real swordsman could answer all of these questions. Only someone who has practiced dilligently for a couple decades. Lt’s find out if thats you sport. If ya come back at me with excuses, half answers, or vague generalisations about why you can not, or analysis of my questions, “Well it could mean this, or that, Cause in the Ming Dynasty” or some other nonsense like that, then your a rube, pretender, and not worth my time. Then you go on ignore kiddo.

I’m a pretty nice guy, but I have no tolerance for liars, pretenders, and stupid people who make clearly false claims, solely for the sake of their own egos. You can answer, or not, but if not, we all know your a fraud.>

Post: NathanRahl:

[quote=Bloodybirds I love sparring with my staff against another classmate and his staff in the school, the sound and timing help the empty hand. Also, I find myself taking my broom at home and playing with that all the time…the sweeping techniques are awesome…lol….a kung fu bro of mine recently made two great knives for me so I practice my 8 directional cutting at home,etc. I find the darn dao sword excellent for learning waist movement, foot movement, and extension of cutting, while I find the straight gim fun for learning subtle wrist movements and smaller circular manifestations.

I believe weapons training is essential to learn total extension of the technique for empty hand, short and long fa jing and power, etc. And, the knives and staff are very useful for street. The two short rods, either Chinese or Filipino, are great for picking up sticks in the street and defending oneself. All in all, weapons training is in some ways much more fun and rewarding. Besides, one should be able to run the form without the weapon and use the hidden techniques just as well performing it empty hand as with the weapon.[/quote 

Hey folks, he’s speaking of hidden techniques. Wow, no, your not a rube newbie trying to covince us all your a 30 year, experienced practioner, no, not at all. LOL.>

Post: angryrocker4:

I have a few questions for you.

1. Why is whining such a big part of your “no style” style?
2. How can one so learned as you not know how to spell correctly?
3. Do you still smell shit or has your head been up your ass so long you’re used to it?
4. How much training did it take for you to become an ignorant ass monkey?
5. Did the kids in school make fun of you for not knowing your daddy?>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Never claimed to be a kenjitsu or any other Japanese sword practitioner so I will defer to others on that but neither are you a Chinese martial arts practitioner so stick to things you purport to know. I will ask for the 4th time today, pinhead, what is your lineage? Who is your master or masters? How long have you studied? Where? Why in China instead of Japan? I will put up my martial and street creds to yours anyday…I am now officially calling for you to either mention your legitimate heritage or cease on this site to be a factor….to the administrators of this forum, please enforce my request as everyone on here as either been requested to produce their props or be recognized as a troll.

Nathan, by the way, since you are so proud of your skills and Japaneseness, why do you use an American name? Just curious.

That is it. Oh, and the methodologies you mention on cutting are appropriate for some Japanese techniques but are NOT FOR Chinese gim, darn dao, kwon dao, double hook swords, doubel knives, etc. STOP TRYING TO DENIGRATE MY MASTERS AS YOU ARE NOW CHALLENGING MY LINEAGE AND HERITAGE…OH, ONE MORE THING….DUMBSHIT….THE WEAPON IS AN EXTENSION OF SELF, AND PART OF YOUR SOUL, AND EVEN MUSASHI KNEW AND BELIEVED THIS. EMPTY HAND AND WEAPON TECHNIQUE, INCLUDING SWORD, ARE MEASURES OF ONE’S EXTENSION OF FA JING, SILK REELING, SMALL CIRCLE AND LARGE CIRCLE AND OTHER LEGIT TECNIQUE OF CHINESE MARTIAL ARTS!! STICK TO WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW….AND STAY OUT OF THE CHINESE REALM AS YOU HAVE NO SKILL, KNOWLEDGE, OR ACUMEN OF ANY OF OUR HISTORY OR TECHNIQUE WHICH, BY THE WAY IS ALMOST 1000 YEARS OLDER THAN THE SKILLS YOU PURPORT TO PRACTICE…..READ YOUR HISTORY FOR ONCE!!>

Post: NathanRahl:

[quote=Bloodybirds Never claimed to be a kenjitsu or any other Japanese sword practitioner so I will defer to others on that but neither are you a Chinese martial arts practitioner so stick to things you purport to know. I will ask for the 4th time today, pinhead, what is your lineage? Who is your master or masters? How long have you studied? Where? Why in China instead of Japan? I will put up my martial and street creds to yours anyday…I am now officially calling for you to either mention your legitimate heritage or cease on this site to be a factor….to the administrators of this forum, please enforce my request as everyone on here as either been requested to produce their props or be recognized as a troll.

Nathan, by the way, since you are so proud of your skills and Japaneseness, why do you use an American name? Just curious.

That is it. Oh, and the methodologies you mention on cutting are appropriate for some Japanese techniques but are NOT FOR Chinese gim, darn dao, kwon dao, double hook swords, doubel knives, etc. STOP TRYING TO DENIGRATE MY MASTERS AS YOU ARE NOW CHALLENGING MY LINEAGE AND HERITAGE…OH, ONE MORE THING….DUMBSHIT….THE WEAPON IS AN EXTENSION OF SELF, AND PART OF YOUR SOUL, AND EVEN MUSASHI KNEW AND BELIEVED THIS. EMPTY HAND AND WEAPON TECHNIQUE, INCLUDING SWORD, ARE MEASURES OF ONE’S EXTENSION OF FA JING, SILK REELING, SMALL CIRCLE AND LARGE CIRCLE AND OTHER LEGIT TECNIQUE OF CHINESE MARTIAL ARTS!! STICK TO WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW….AND STAY OUT OF THE CHINESE REALM AS YOU HAVE NO SKILL, KNOWLEDGE, OR ACUMEN OF ANY OF OUR HISTORY OR TECHNIQUE WHICH, BY THE WAY IS ALMOST 1000 YEARS OLDER THAN THE SKILLS YOU PURPORT TO PRACTICE…..READ YOUR HISTORY FOR ONCE!![/quote 

And I will ask you again to actually answer some real and important questions. If you can answer my questions about how to use a sword, I will certanly answer yours. You however can not answer, I jus choose not to, which boggles your mind, and means I must be a “Fake”. LOL, never occured to you i it that it just might be because of the a principle, and that I have nothing left to prove. I think it’s sad your that jaded kid. Sorry, none of your bees wax :lol:

Oh, and kid, a sword is a sword is a sword, I can use a chinese one just as well as a Japanese one, even without knowing about the names of the movement, your just as dead. Oh, and I never said I had not studied chinese sword, this is not my first foray to china. I takethe good and leave the bad. Remember, no style, it’s like water, I can become anything, adaptability. And I already said why I am in china, to teach, your welcome to come on by, I’d ven let you stay at my place if you like, I have an extra room, very large place for china. Get yourself a tourist visa, I had to get a Foreign experts visa, nt easy to get, you have to be sponsored by a Licensed business and have the proper paperwork to prove your status as an expert. I had to prove it to the chinese government, but not to you kiddo. Gather together 8 or 900 dollars, about what a plane ticket will cost you you shop well, spend the money for a visa, and come on by, your more then welcome. Lessons and accomodations are not free though, but in american money it would be a pittance. Take care kid ;)

Oh and kid, I ain’t no troll, thats a trouble makr, which you clearly are, and a liar to boot, so really, in essence, your the troll. Also, the mods here, they have been turning a blind eye to people atacking me and breaking the rules en masse. They can not just boot me off for doing nothing, when so many others have ben allowed to break their rules, get a clue, the rules would have no meaning then, and they would look like hypocrites. Bye bye ;)>

Post: angryrocker4:

I see you saying you know the sword, but little actual knowledge one cannot find in a book or on google. If you were honestly a decent practitioner of anything, you would let your words speak, if you could spell the whole word that is. You actually have everything to prove and not being willing to show a lineage just shows that, even if you didn’t have to prove anything, you couldnt as you have no substancial experience. Else there’d be no problem showing it.>

Post: NathanRahl:

[quote=angryrocker4 I see you saying you know the sword, but little actual knowledge one cannot find in a book or on google. If you were honestly a decent practitioner of anything, you would let your words speak, if you could spell the whole word that is. You actually have everything to prove and not being willing to show a lineage just shows that, even if you didn’t have to prove anything, you couldnt as you have no substancial experience. Else there’d be no problem showing it.[/quote 

Thats just it, I don’t have anything to prove. Thats my choice. If you feel I need to prove something to you, thats your belief, but it’s subjective, and not objective. Basically your views are not mine, nor doe’s the fact that you feel a thing make me feel any more of a need to adhere to your subjective reality. Basically I just don’t like you, and I don’t feel inclined to share my personal life with an enemy. Also, I have nothing to prove, that you feel I do doe’s not change the fact that I personally don’t, do you get it yet, or should I draw you a picture in finger pain :)>

Post: Bloodybirds:

I have listed my lineage and background to you…. want phone numbers dipshit? You are the last to ridicule me for secret techniques when you continue to refuse to dictate your true background. I am done with your lack of honor and respect to others. If you were half as skilled as you say, you would let your humility, your respect, and your skills shine through and let us know your comments by describing your own skills rather than cutting others. Excuse the pun….oh, by the way, my styles are ying jow pai eagle claw, ba mei white crane, wudan nine bird, northern long fist, and Yang style tai chi dipshit. Since you claim to be a Japanese stylist training in China (?) which would never happen, you probably have no clue as to any of those styles or what they contain. Read Lueng Shum’s book, Dr. Yang’s 36 books, or go to www.yingjowpai.com, look up jeff bolt in Google, or go to www.ymaa.com, or eagleclawatl.com, or I can give you my Shaolin master’s number in Las Vegas and Dallas, though he would laugh at you harder than I am. Also, as far as he is concerned, why don’t you ask someone in Hong Kong or China who the “Black Dragon from across the Sea” is or his teacher, 103 year old Wudan abbot Wang Fui Yen.

Now, detail your background or shut the fuck up!!>

Post: angryrocker4:

Could you please draw a picture? Because you cant spell worth a shit and it might be easier to understand your blathering. I thought you were ignoring me? See, I won. HAHA. Thats some discipline you have there, you supposed japanese MAist. You are weak willed and pathetic. My enemies are worthy challenges, you come close in no way. I take the fact you find me yours a compliment and would thank you normally, but you are beneath me.>

Post: Bloodybirds:

You are right, it is none of our beeswax, and as such take your beeswax elsewhere…..and as far as a foreign expert, be glad to give us your real name, and then we can contact the Chinese consulate. Or, better yet, I will be happy to speak with Dr. Cheng De Wu here, husband of Madame Wong Ju Rong, and senior of Grandmaster Wang ju ping and ask him to check with the Chinese government about you…..cool huh? Oh, I forgot, you probably do not know who those people are….being the greatest master of the 21st century. And you are right, you owe us nothing and I have given too much. Nathan, thank you for this stupid exercise. You have proven nothing, offer no proof, and give little regard to humility, respect, or honor, three attributes that you would have in considerable supply if you were truly who you said you are. All I ask is to hear your lineage….if you can supply me with that as I have done for you, with respect, then all this debate will end and we will give you the props you deserve. Otherwise, this is a fruitless conversation and I have nothing to prove as I have given my lineage, my teachers, my experience, and contact points to you. Why can you not humbly do the same, with honor and respect?>

Post: NathanRahl:

[quote=Bloodybirds You are right, it is none of our beeswax, and as such take your beeswax elsewhere…..and as far as a foreign expert, be glad to give us your real name, and then we can contact the Chinese consulate. Or, better yet, I will be happy to speak with Dr. Cheng De Wu here, husband of Madame Wong Ju Rong, and senior of Grandmaster Wang ju ping and ask him to check with the Chinese government about you…..cool huh? Oh, I forgot, you probably do not know who those people are….being the greatest master of the 21st century. And you are right, you owe us nothing and I have given too much. Nathan, thank you for this stupid exercise. You have proven nothing, offer no proof, and give little regard to humility, respect, or honor, three attributes that you would have in considerable supply if you were truly who you said you are. All I ask is to hear your lineage….if you can supply me with that as I have done for you, with respect, then all this debate will end and we will give you the props you deserve. Otherwise, this is a fruitless

conversation and I have nothing to prove as I have given my lineage, my

teachers, my experience, and contact points to you. Why can you not
humbly do the same, with honor and respect?[/quote 

I thought he wanted to end it :)>

Post: NathanRahl:

[quote=Bloodybirds You are right, it is none of our beeswax, and as such take your beeswax elsewhere…..and as far as a foreign expert, be glad to give us your real name, and then we can contact the Chinese consulate. Or, better yet, I will be happy to speak with Dr. Cheng De Wu here, husband of Madame Wong Ju Rong, and senior of Grandmaster Wang ju ping and ask him to check with the Chinese government about you…..cool huh? Oh, I forgot, you probably do not know who those people are….being the greatest master of the 21st century. And you are right, you owe us nothing and I have given too much. Nathan, thank you for this stupid exercise. You have proven nothing, offer no proof, and give little regard to humility, respect, or honor, three attributes that you would have in considerable supply if you were truly who you said you are. All I ask is to hear your lineage….if you can supply me with that as I have done for you, with respect, then all this debate will end and we will give you the props you deserve. Otherwise, this is a fruitless conversation and I have nothing to prove as I have given my lineage, my teachers, my experience, and contact points to you. Why can you not humbly do the same, with honor and respect?[/quote 

Oh, and yeaj, you still never answered the important questions, like a politician this one is, avoiding the important questions while doling out the ones of little importance. LOL, wnats my name and personal info, you first bucko, gimmie a break.

My questions are universal, no matter what style you hve, until you answer mine, I will never answer yours, expecially with as unfriendly, arogant, and lacking in humility you have been.

He wanted to end it, then he would not have ent this follow up thread after his last one, hmm. Bye bye ;)>

Post: angryrocker4:

No, your questions were quite specific to sword type and style of use, his were relating to important things. But you arent of a level to understand yet.

And his post here was BEFORE the one you are referring to of ending it, look at the time of posts.>

Post: NathanRahl:

[quote=angryrocker4 No, your questions were quite specific to sword type and style of use, his were relating to important things. But you arent of a level to understand yet.

And his post here was BEFORE the one you are referring to of ending it, look at the time of posts.[/quote 

Angry, then I label you a fool, because your concerned about the way wrong things. Even one of my students would defeat you quite easily, you just don’t have a clue ;)>

Post: NathanRahl:

[quote=”Bloodybirds” You are right, it is none of our beeswax, and as such take your beeswax elsewhere…..and as far as a foreign expert, be glad to give us your real name, and then we can contact the Chinese consulate. Or, better yet, I will be happy to speak with Dr. Cheng De Wu here, husband of Madame Wong Ju Rong, and senior of Grandmaster Wang ju ping and ask him to check with the Chinese government about you…..cool huh? Oh, I forgot, you probably do not know who those people are….being the greatest master of the 21st century. And you are right, you owe us nothing and I have given too much. Nathan, thank you for this stupid exercise. You have proven nothing, offer no proof, and give little regard to humility, respect, or honor, three attributes that you would have in considerable supply if you were truly who you said you are. All I ask is to hear your lineage….if you can supply me with that as I have done for you, with respect, then all this debate will end and we will give you the props you deserve. Otherwise, this is a fruitless conversation and I have nothing to prove as I have given my lineage, my teachers, my experience, and contact points to you. Why can you not

humbly do the same, with honor and respect?[/quote

I havent seen any proof from you, words are not proof. Give me names and phone numbers n china I can call. Your school would have such things. I don’t care about such things, but you do, so lets test you. Aslo, I am in china, have a chinese phone number, and if you want it, just as. You have to call the international calling code for china to talk to me, and in six months, it will be the same. A foreigner who is in china can not stay more then a month unless they get a foreign residence permit. You can only get that if you have a foreign experts permit. If ou do some research you will find this tobe the case. And the only way to do that is to present your certifcations to the chinese consolate. So what is more feasible, that I am telling the truth, or somehow snuck into china, got an apartment, a phone, and a job, even though I don’t speka the language, all without the proper visas and residency permits. sems more likelythat I am here teaching as I said, am a resident, because in six months youd not be able to contact me otherswise, and that I am exactly what I say I am. Follow the logic stinker ;) and you will divine for yourself. What really pisses you off is that to you I seem like I am acting above you, because I won’t give you the same info you gave me. info you gve ebcause you crave acceptance, validation of your skill. For 48 your incredibly insecure, and that’s why I don’t share such nonsense, hello, secure. Also, I no longer am affliated with my former style, so I don’t claim to be or claim it anymore, hence no style, you have heard of it. If you want that number and it means enough t you to spend a dollar a minute, I’ll Pm it to you. Oh, we are on a 9 to 12 hour time difference, depending on where you are, so kee this in mind. Take care peeps :)>

Post: angryrocker4:

Prove it. You made the challenge, man up. You should actually label me psychotic, but I leave the master of all to “tell it like it is”. I find it hard to believe you would actually challenge someone who’s experience and ability you have no idea of, with that of one of your students. Cant handle things yourself huh? Nothing like a coward to put someone else in front of the cannon first to assess the oppenant’s strength.>

Post: NathanRahl:

[quote=angryrocker4 Prove it. You made the challenge, man up. You should actually label me psychotic, but I leave the master of all to “tell it like it is”. I find it hard to believe you would actually challenge someone who’s experience and ability you have no idea of, with that of one of your students. Cant handle things yourself huh? Nothing like a coward to put someone else in front of the cannon first to assess the oppenant’s strength.[/quote 

LOL fruitcake, it was a put down, I am sure I could just as easily beat you. I think when I was 9 I could have beat you to be honest, you are lacking too much in self control to be any real challenge. Man up, I am in china buffoon, and make good money too. If you would liek to take a vaction, I would put you up for free, can’t beat that offer fruitloop. Will you offer me the same, and a good salary, just to smack around a dope like yourself. I don’t think so, and you’d not pass up what I have now on the sake of your puny ego I don’t think. Good day :)>

Post: angryrocker4:

I’m not the one getting upset. You, however, blow up at the slightest. I’m rather enjoying myself. I’m not flying to china, of all places, you made the challenge, so the terms fall to me as previously stated. At least be somewhere desirable for a vacation if you’re challenging people. Since you’re so sure of yourself, my location is under my name, come on over, thats my term for location. If by a slight chance you show, I’ll have other terms. But I doubt you’ll make it.>

Post: Bloodybirds:

You just said you would end it….Please end it, go away!!! You calling me arrogant, etc. is such an oxymoron you fool!! Oxymoron, meaning an eight sided moron, but in your case I will just amend that to a ba gua moron……goodbye to you!! You deserve no respect or honor. Do not refer to me again. And by the way, my name is Michael, the archangel. :wink: :lol: 8)>

Post: NathanRahl:

[quote=”angryrocker4″ I’m not the one getting upset. You, however, blow up at the slightest. I’m rather enjoying myself. I’m not flying to china, of all places, you made the challenge, so the terms fall to me as previously stated. At least be somewhere desirable for a vacation if you’re challenging people. Since you’re so sure of yourself, my location is under my name, come on over, thats my term for location. If by a slight chance you show, I’ll have other terms. But I doubt you’ll make it.[/quote

You don’t decide what I am going to do, but please, give me your name, address, and telephone number since you want me to come to you. When my time is up here, and if I can find the time, which I will, I will come and kill you if you like, hows that?>

Post: NathanRahl:

[quote=Bloodybirds You just said you would end it….Please end it, go away!!! You calling me arrogant, etc. is such an oxymoron you fool!! Oxymoron, meaning an eight sided moron, but in your case I will just amend that to a ba gua moron……goodbye to you!! You deserve no respect or honor. Do not refer to me again. And by the way, my name is Michael, the archangel. :wink: :lol: 8)[/quote 

Arch angel, how nice, well michael, would you like to tell me al your personal info. I assure you, I would find the time. You may PM it too me :) Bye bye>

Post: Bloodybirds:

Nathan, I have responded to your PM…..that is, once the system here at work let’s it through the firewall…LOL…appreciate your comments offline. I have responded with true feelings.>

Post: angryrocker4:

Lexington KY. PM me when your ass gets here. Better yet lets keep it open.>

Post: Marishiten:

Nathan what is your obsession with phone numbers and pink text?>

Post: Hengest:

[quote=Marishiten Nathan what is your obsession with phone numbers and pink text?[/quote 

Don’t mind Nate. He’s an egotisitical wanker who’s only been around for a week yet likes the sound of his own voice so much that he’s racked up over 100 posts in that time. I think, thankfully, he’s already realised that we’re not buying his BS and has buggered off.>

Post: angryrocker4:

I thought we banned him? Otherwise, where’s my bitch, I want my skin bubble gum.>

Post: Robert_RedBeard:

Are you guys still fighting?

This is like a cancer that has spread to way to many threads.>

Post: angryrocker4:

He’s not around no more. :(>

Post: Bloodybirds:

I miss his humble, informative, laid back, non threatening manner and his obvious skill sets……oh, what was I thinking?! But hey, I am just a kid!! :cry: :wink:>

Post: zefff:

He’s probably on a direct flight right now, squashed into an economy seat, in a yellow ‘game of death’ suit with Hattori Hanzo blade at side going over his death list! :lol: :lol: :lol:

1) Bloodybirds
2) Zefff
3) Bamboo
4) AR4
5) One and a half thousand spectators.

If he’d have flown business class he’d have gotten a wireless connection to keep in contact (i.e. threaten us from the air) :roll:

He was brief but a good troll though.>

Post: Bloodybirds:

His parents were killed by Hazimoto, and he was left under the bed to fend for himself….and then the closet monsters came……he became the greatest assassin in Iowa but he was looking for bigger fish so he flew to China, bought a ginzo blade, and was soon a foreign expert in the Popeil style of knives and other sharp objects. His rapier wit and cut to the quick repartee quickly became known to all who feared and loathed him…..he became the Kaped Katana Kassassin!!!

Oh, no, Mr. Bill!!! What do we do now? As we speak, I am trying to practice my darn dao, my kwon dao, my spear, my staff, my butterfly staff, my three sectional staff, my double knives, my double hook swords, my two headed spear, oh what do I use…..help me General Kwon!!

And now we pause for these messages…Bob is at the pool when his swim trunks fall off, revealing a combo broad sword and straight gimpy sword……poor wife, 4 hours you go!!!>

Post: zefff:

WTF? Are you on the ‘shrooms? :lol:>

Post: Bloodybirds:

No, Zefff, in fact I am tired of waking up from the floor!! 8) Actually, we had what passes for a cool front in Houston and the lack of humidity and high in the 70s has me in an almost euphoric state!! Zefff, thanks for the concern, I have never done illicit drugs in my life, not even the ganja, but if I did it would be the peyote on a vision quest!! But I get that high generally from qigong meditation, especially in weather like this.

I am fine, I said I am fine!!! By the way, you did not like my vision quest on the other post? I am so disappointed, it came right from the left half of the brain… :wink:>

Post: Iron Knuckles:

I’ve seen plenty of threads ruined by trolls, and i realize this thread is a quite a few months old, but I think this one deserves a real discussion.

I don’t personally practice “obsolete” weapons, such as the sword or the staff. I do practice a little knife fighting for practical purposes, as it’s not too unusual to carry a knife on one’s person. But I think any weapons training contributes to the type of mind set a true martial artist would want to obtain.

As i mentioned, I don’t actually train in any traditional martial arts that would include “obsolete” weapons, but at the same time I don’t discount their worth in modern times.

I didn’t really read through all of the posts of this thread, because they didn’t seem relevent to the discussion. So if i’m repeating something some one else has already said, I apologize.

Training in obsolete weapons makes perfect sense to me. Although there are two seperate reasons that I can think of. The first, which i am most concerned with, is the self defense aspect of weapons training. Any more, that’s the way I look at martial arts training. I feel that any time you are under attack while sparring or training, whether it’s from a sword, or a big stick, or even two sticks attached by a chain, You’re still learning to defend yourself and to take the offensive. You may learn different angles of attack that you might not learn in straight hand to hand.

I also give plenty of merit to the practicing of obsolete weapons strictly for the “art” of martial arts. Some people draw, paint, sculpt, and write. I find just as much beauty and culture in the skill of handling a sword or a staff or any other of the weapons that are considered obsolete in these times. These are the reasons I can think of for practicing “obsolete” weapons.>

Post: zefff:

A stick, a stone and a blade will never be obsolete IMHO.>

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