Taekwondo school-turned-Ultimate fighting school??

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Taekwondo school-turned-Ultimate fighting school??
Original Poster: Samur-eye
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 09-08-2004, 10:33

Orginal Post: Samur-eye: I dont know when or how it happened. One day there was a TKD school in my town. today I find out its a Pankration and kickboxing school with monthly MMA competitions. Huh?
In fact, the instructor of the Arlington, WA branch (Landon Showalter) is fighting Dennis Hallman (UFC fighter) next month. to see if this teacher was a legit fighter, I went to www.Sherdog.com and sure enough, his name is there.

Anyway, here is the link. I might go and compete in sept. 25th. never done it before, so, it might be fun.

http://www.21mainstreet.com/pearsonsma/

Post: Italian Monk:

Interesting, thanks for the link. I may check this out as well.

Humbly,>

Post: Samur-eye:

It sure caught my attention. Do you live in WA state?

Yoroshiku,
Kyle>

Post: Kyorgi:

I live in Washington State!
is the fight gonna be in WA?>

Post: Italian Monk:

I also live in WA state … and am looking to enter some MMA events :) (And yes … I believe these fights are in WA).

Humbly,>

Post: Samur-eye:

whats up?!

we are all Washingtonians here. sweet!
Yes, they are in WA. go to the link and email them your info. It will be held Sept 25 at Edmonds community college. There is no cash prizes that I know of, but they have belts, trophies, and of course….you get experience out of it. They have Kickboxing and Pankration (which is what they call MMA).

Good luck,
Kyle>

Post: Kyorgi:

haha wait!!! Im a freaking 15 year old tkd green belt….no fucking way am i gonna compete!!…I just wanna watch the competetion…thats all.>

Post: Samur-eye:

Oh, why not? they have class C events if you dont want to play with the big dogs. I want to try Pankration class A. I am Jujutsu Shodan, (and some other stuff) and would love to see if my Shiot works.

Good lucks,
KE>

Post: Italian Monk:

I applied last night … I will see what happens. Ive been training to fight in Dec …. but sooner would be kewl :)

Train ON . . .

Humbly,>

Post: Samur-eye:

What kind of MA does you do? rank? years training?>

Post: Italian Monk:

MA = Lifestyle

Rank = Humble ‘White’ Belt :wink:

Years of training = Approximately 20 (Im 33 and not getting younger, and want to do this before I get too old. Im in extremely good shape … look like Im 27ish, except for the salt-n-pepper hair … LoL).

Seriously, some of the ‘styles’ I have trained in are Boxing, Wrestling, Hapkido, Za Zen Tai (Hybrid ‘Hawaiian’ style), Chin Na, Tai-jitsu, Systema, Muay Thai, Aikido, Junsado, Bagua …. some to more extent than others . . . Alot of them really start to blend …. I like to say I dont study ‘a style’. I really dont believe in one style …. so I guess you could say I believe in some of the JKD as philosophy with my own thought processes to create ‘my’ art … my self expression.

I dont believe in rank either … although I totally respect it … as I do any and all martial artist in the truest sense of the practitioner. I have cross-trained with alot of militia and was a contracted instructor for the Army for one year, as well as doing some limited bodyguard work and security for a few years.

Anyways … I digress … sorry. Bored on a Saturday night :) So theres a ‘run down’ of my training/experiences in the arts . . .

How about yourself ?

Humbly,>

Post: Samur-eye:

Well, I am almost 19. I started with TKD at age 10. I did that for half a year, then jumped to Gymnastics, which happened to be next door to usko Karate. I trained with them on occasion. I did those for 2 years, then got into submission grappling. everyone in the area was doing it at the time, some had BJJ, Karate, Sambo and/or Judo experience/rank and we’d hold little touneys. I also studied Kenjutsu thru Long distance. two years ago I started looking for another school that was REALLY formal, since before that, it was mostly MMA stuff with the people in the area. I started attending Keiko at Tsubaki grand shrine, which teaches Shin ryu Aikido and Ideta ryu Aikijutsu. a little over a year ago, I felt very confident with my abilities (I have been blessed with good learning skills, and a adaptive and balanced body) so I started looking for MORE schools to supplement. I found a Bujinkan Taijutsu school, which suited my needs. I looked into Muay Thai, Kali, Eskrima, JKD, Hapkido, Karate, and BJJ. I also started some long distance home courses as well. I practice Toshindo, Tushkahoma, and Jujutsu by mail. I hold Yellow belt Tushkahoma, Shodan in Jujutsu, and am going to be testing for rank in Toshindo. plus, I am almost ready for my 5th kyu in aiki, in which one wears a Hakama. I have created a curriculum and name for “my” system. since I have such a varied background, I wouldnt want to dillute the martial arts I practice/teach/study. so I have simply founded my own brand, if you will. I now study other arts, but only practice Seizon-Do(existence/survival + way). It is My way. Also, for 10 years I have done backyard wrestling. this has given me a good throwing repetoire. The people we practice with are training to become pros some day.
well, good training.

links:
wrestling – www.LWOwrestling.tk
Seizon-Do – www.AMJ.iwarp.com
Aikido – www.tsubakishrine.com
Toshindo – www.SKHquest.com
Bujinkan – www.shinobuseattle.tripod.com
Eskrima – www.Serrada.net
Tushkahoma – www.adrianroman.com
BJJ – www.taporsnap.com
Kali/JKD – www.MKGseattle.com>

Post: zefff:

Wow! them are some CV’s! Cant believe Italian Monk has never had a grading though??? :shock: :mrgreen:

Had a look on that fight-site too, the Pankration looks good fun. Let us know how you all get on.>

Post: Italian Monk:

Nice background Samur-eye, perhaps we can cross train/meet up some day :) I also study ‘my own’ style … per say. Taking tools from different styles and adapting it to yourself …. to your own. Creative harmony in yourself … Nice.

Pertaining to the full contact fighting, I got a reply back, there going to try to get me on the card :) HWT class-A Pankration.

Heya zefff, most of my training has been ‘on the move’ I guess you could say. Ive beaten alot of BB’s but am humble about it. Many have asked if I would be interested in there school, I kindly think about it while continueing to cross train and absorbing what I can. Then I would move …. its happened alot in my life. Thus I would move and pick up with others.

I shall continue my path … none the less :wink:

If I find a ‘school’ that shares alot of my thought process … I will seriously think about joining. Im always looking. Sometimes work schedule gets in the way … but I continue to train … regardless.

Train ON . . .

Humbly,>

Post: Kyorgi:

I was actually thinking about this….untill I saw no age-limit on the novice kickboxing….and…I dont have any medical insurance…and I know that im gonna get hurt….I think I’ll just watch this one..>

Post: zefff:

you could always tap Kyorgi mate. :lol: thats what tapping is for. To stop you getting seriously hurt……..Oh, you said kickboxing. :oops: well um…>

Post: Kyorgi:

I’ll just fall down when I think Im gonna get hurt :D :) :| :? :(>

Post: Rizzking:

[quote=Samur-eye Well, I am almost 19. I started with TKD at age 10. I did that for half a year, then jumped to Gymnastics, which happened to be next door to usko Karate. I trained with them on occasion. I did those for 2 years, then got into submission grappling. everyone in the area was doing it at the time, some had BJJ, Karate, Sambo and/or Judo experience/rank and we’d hold little touneys. I also studied Kenjutsu thru Long distance. two years ago I started looking for another school that was REALLY formal, since before that, it was mostly MMA stuff with the people in the area. I started attending Keiko at Tsubaki grand shrine, which teaches Shin ryu Aikido and Ideta ryu Aikijutsu. a little over a year ago, I felt very confident with my abilities (I have been blessed with good learning skills, and a adaptive and balanced body) so I started looking for MORE schools to supplement. I found a Bujinkan Taijutsu school, which suited my needs. I looked into Muay Thai, Kali, Eskrima, JKD, Hapkido, Karate, and BJJ. I also started some long distance home courses as well. I practice Toshindo, Tushkahoma, and Jujutsu by mail. I hold Yellow belt Tushkahoma, Shodan in Jujutsu, and am going to be testing for rank in Toshindo. plus, I am almost ready for my 5th kyu in aiki, in which one wears a Hakama. I have created a curriculum and name for “my” system. since I have such a varied background, I wouldnt want to dillute the martial arts I practice/teach/study. so I have simply founded my own brand, if you will. I now study other arts, but only practice Seizon-Do(existence/survival + way). It is My way. Also, for 10 years I have done backyard wrestling. this has given me a good throwing repetoire. The people we practice with are training to become pros some day.
well, good training.

links:
wrestling – www.LWOwrestling.tk
Seizon-Do – www.AMJ.iwarp.com
Aikido – www.tsubakishrine.com
Toshindo – www.SKHquest.com
Bujinkan – www.shinobuseattle.tripod.com
Eskrima – www.Serrada.net
Tushkahoma – www.adrianroman.com
BJJ – www.taporsnap.com
Kali/JKD – www.MKGseattle.com[/quote 

LMAO. ARe you kidding me? a 19 yr old kid who has trained at either a mcdojo or by Video in the mail and is now claiming to “create” is own style. c’mon man, you have probably never even been in a fight in your life. You are barely out of the childrens karate classes and you Shodan is from a joke of a fake school, AMJ that offers a BB in one year as long as you send a video of your training along with your check.

You are seriously deranged.>

Post: zefff:

I dont usually pay much attention to peoples CV’s (just skip read), but after Samureye claimed ‘Seizon-Do’ to be his way, I thought I might as well check the link he posted to if Rizzking might be mistaken. check this out! and this is only a portion of the jokes that can be found:

Enter the AMJ Board Breaking Contest

You compete against yourself. Register any board break. Take a photo of the break or video tape yourself and send it in. Everyone gets a certificate for the break they send in. If you break through one piece of one inch pine , you are a level one breaker. If you break through two pieces of wood you are a level two breaker . If you break through 3 pieces of wood or higher you are a level three breaker. The fee to enter the board breaking contest is 20.00. Please use one inch pine and the board lenth should be 10 to 12 inches.

Disclaimer: AMJ Will not be held responsible for any injuries that occur while training or entering the AMJ Classic and AMJ Board Breaking Contest.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

They also have online tournaments you can enter for $30! :mrgreen: I cant believe my eyes! :lol:

It doesnt stop there. The wrestling link has a fighter on the roster called spider who is 4’8″ and weighs 65pounds! They all have entrance music and trademark moves. :roll: flippin sad cases! :lol:>

Post: Li Shen Long:

You think that’s bad zefff, go to this site and download all the movies…I swear to god you’ll laugh your ass off. Ignore the first two movies, if you wish, the third one is the funniest anyway.

[url http://www.toddweeksmovies.com/Video%20Samples.htm[/url >

Post: bamboo:

BTW,

Welcome Rizzking.

-bamboo>

Post: zefff:

that cant be real? :shock: its got to be a wind-up! Only thing worse than his art is the awful racket he calls music. Twat!>

Post: 8LimbsScientist:

Yeah, I was going to mention the whole “learn by mail” thing and the fact that he’s making his own style at 21, but I didn’t feel like putting in the effort.

If he’s really thinking of jumping into an NHB contest, I think this problem will end up being self-correcting.>

Post: zefff:

He’s only 18 but still, I think he should enter that tournament. Show the world that learn by mail dudes can fight! :lol: :lol: :lol:>

Post: Li Shen Long:

[quote=zefff that cant be real? :shock: its got to be a wind-up! Only thing worse than his art is the awful racket he calls music. Twat![/quote 

Oh it’s real, it’s damn real, that’s the sad part. Have you ever seen the fat star wars kid video? Well, this guy has officially been titled “Fat star wars kid’s father”, if you haven’t seen it PM me and I can give you a link. Oh, and welcome Rizzking.>

Post: Samur-eye:

The LWO link is a backyard wrestling website. its for fun. thats it. as for what I train in, I also train in Aikijutsu at Tsubaki grand shrine. the american branch to the second oldest shinto shrine in Japan. I train hard with BJJ guys at Tap or snap BJJ (marcelo alonso students), Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu, and various other arts. Seizon-Do is what I have named my style of fighting. It is not a “new” martial art. just as Bruce lee called his style Jeet Kune Do, (at 18 by the way), just as Morihei Ueshiba called his style Aikido (Aiki no michi, at 16 years) just as Gracie’s called their art Gracie Jiu Jitsu. I am not comparing myself to them, just stating a point. As for not been in a fight, you couldnt be more wrong. I have been in three fights in the last year, two of them involving weapons. I work for the sheriff’s office, as an explorer, and have got into fights with my uniform on. Dont make narrow minded comments about things you have no clue what you are talking about. If you have any questions, I’m here.

good day,
KE>

Post: Samur-eye:

Of course, if you’d read my first post instead of getting upset, you would’ve read all that. The people at AMJ recognize one’s training (its an open MA) and give rank they feel is appropriate. I have trained at over 10 Dojos in my area, for the last 8 years. I attend seminars all the time with some of the highest ranking Shihan in the country (Bill Atkins, Koichi Barrish, Bill Halloway, and others) I am arranging a seminar with Dale Seago Shihan, and plan on training with Oguri Shihan. The comments you made were very closed minded. You may be a good martial artist, fighter, or person, but you show none of these qualities.>

Post: Kyorgi:

“the fat star wars kid video”

That was actually the creator of Realultimatepower (no joke) and some dude must have found it on the internet and added lightsaber beams to his little staff thing.>

Post: Rizzking:

thanks for the welcome everyone.

Sam UR a$$/….. you are going ot learn the hard way. Let me know if you are serious about fightin in NHB, I habe a lot of connections and would be glad to get you a match so you can see you are out of control.

you need to name you style “Jack of all trades Master of NONE.” I don’t care whose name you drop, how many Aikido schools you atend or how many times you win the Online karate tournament (by fighting against yourself on video). You are in serious need of a reality check.

Oh, and tell the AMJ guys to stop backing down when they issue a challenge. They toldme to stop by their main training center (which looks to be in the attic of his mom’s house).

What a clown. So, do you really expect that Shodon rank to be acknowledged by real martial artists, or do you just want the certificate because you paid your $100. If so, I will sell you one of my Black Belts for $50 and I will prinit you up a certificate. Heck, I’ll make you a 2nd degree for $150.

I love how all teh chumpy, no skill fake a$$ martial artists try to step up and quote some Bushido code of showing respect in order to not get bad mouthed. However, when you step back and look, the people badmouthing a$clown’s liek yourself are the same people who have spent a great deal of time and sweat in legit martial arts and would like to see the McDojo go away.

Samureye, you just continue to encourage the bastardization of martial arts. You’re only 19, but one day when you grow up, you will realize how asinine you are.>

Post: Samur-eye:

The spelling in your post made it almost impossible to read, so I’ll just restate what I said before. The videos from AMJ are “supplements” to my Dojo training. I listed links for where I attend. I think what you are trying to say is that because I have watched the AMJ’s vids, that is has degraded my Dojo training in some way? I dont get it. I am saying that I have practiced many arts, and have named my specific school of fighting. You must know nothing about Japanese Ryuha, otherwise you’d see the relevance in this. I HAVE been in fights, real ones, not “NHB, yet we have so many damned rules” fights. I am sure I am going to have to say this again, but seriously, read the fucking posts before you run your mouth…..

Regards,
KE>

Post: zefff:

Samureye mate, you dont have to prove yourself to anyone. Do what you want. Im sure if you do enter any events, you will learn a lot about yourself.

But it is odd that anyone but a nutcase would want to give money for rankings to those donuts. It really does smell of BS bigtime and if you have any integrity as a practicing MA, even if you feel you are getting summat out of learn by mail training, you surely can see why people laugh and point and even get upset when claims are made. It is not real if you are not exposing yourself to what you aim to overcome!

One more thing. Instead of listing what you have done, why not post info regarding what you are doing right now. How are you developing and by what means. Using names and past achievements as a support is not a good starting point for more development. You should be concentrated mostly on the physical at your age. Learning what your body can do, making it do new things. You are still growing physically and maturing mentally. Am I wrong?>

Post: 8LimbsScientist:

Samureye

As someone who studies at a real dojo, how can you recognize rank gained through a mail order course? Thats the heart of the problem. You cannot learn effective martial arts through videos, webcourses, manuals, etc. Therefore, any rank you’ve gained through these means is illegitimate.

You can call your personal style whatever you want, as long as you don’t try to market it or teach it to anybody as a new style, none of us have a problem with it. So thats not really an issue.

Be honest with yourself. The only rank you actually hold is that 5th Kyu in Aikido…you’ve learned under a competent LIVE instructor. You may have picked up a technique or two from your mail order courses, but I don’t believe you should be calling yourself a Shodan in Jujitsu. Thats the only issue.>

Post: bamboo:

Quote:
Morihei Ueshiba called his style Aikido (Aiki no michi, at 16 years)

Bullshido. Learn your facts before you post here. O sensei only met Takeda and started the aiki arts in 1915, that makes him 32 years old. It was in 1942 that the name “aikido” became official. You do the math. Aiki no michi or kannagara no michi or takemuso aiki were not official names, they were terms used by O sensei to describe his art.

1883- Morihei Ueshiba born in Kishu, Wakayama prefecture
1900 – Moves to Tokyo
1901- Briefly studies Tenjin Shin’yo-ryu Jujitsu
1903 – Marries
1903-1906 – serves in the Japanese army (Russo-Japanese war)
1908 – receives certificate from Yagyu-ryu Jujitsu
1911 – studies Judo for a short while
1912 – Leads settlers from Kishu to Hokkaido
1915 – Meets Sokaku Takeda (Daito-ryu Jujitsu) and becomes his disciple
1919 – leaves Hokkaido
1920 – meets Onisaburo Deguchi (of Omoto-Kyo religion) in Ayabe, Kyoto, and becomes his follower
1924 – accompanies Deguchi to Mongolia
1927- moves to Tokyo and starts his dojo
1930 – Jigoro Kano of Judo observes demonstration by Ueshiba and sends several students to study with him
1931 – Ceases to be disciple of Takeda
1933 – Technical manual “Budo Renshu” published
1938 – publishes a book titled “Budo”
1942 – the name “Aikido” becomes official with the move to Iwama, Ibaraki prefecture
1961 – travels to the US and Hawaii
1969 – Ueshiba dies on April 26 at the age of 86.>

Post: str8-right:

Samur-eye, you claimed to be a shodan in jujutsu. you didnt say “i do video training in jujutsu and they gave me a ceremonial blackbelt”. you said you WERE a shodan and that offends me. you are not, and you are in no position to create your own school.

all the crap they teach to kids under 17 or 18 is just that, crap gymnastics and calesthenics, so all of your experience means nothing to me except for after you were old enough to START to be taken seriously.

hers my big problem with what you are doing. You claim all this experience and DAN rank here online, so I think its safe to say that you’ve said teh same thing in person. are you qualified to demonstrate true BUDO? i dont think so, so when you say your a blackbelt and cant perform a technique and look like an @ss, you undermine all legitimate martial arts. stop it. You do train, i respect that. dont try to be an innovator yet, you dont know enough. In tim eyou can be a real DAN ranked martial artist, till them, just shut up and train!

BTW, Hi Matt, see you in Sept. for Kennys Test.>

Post: Rizzking:

Samuh Rye,

you are a tool.

you claimed to have a shodon from AMJ. The VIDEO school. So, you claim rank in that fake make believe style from a make believe school.

You are 19, you are barely out of the kids karate class, yet you are naking your own style. I am calling your style ignorant fighting systems. Pefect for a geek like you.

I can’t wait for your debut in NHB because you are going to get smashed you wanna be make believe martial artist. Dude, who trains at 5 schools at the same time? So you waste your $ at multpiple schools, you quote Aikido philosophy and you spedn a great deal of your time practicing Aikido wrist locks.

Good for you.>

Post: zefff:

:lol: rather than just verbally destroying him, lets urge him to go into MMA competition. When he gets ‘smashed’ then he will learn….as long as its not the rules at fault. :mrgreen:>

Post: Samur-eye:

I see what everyone is saying (except Rizzking, I cant read his posts). I was stating ALL my training when I posted that. I dont go around going “hey Im a black belt, but its only honorary from New jersey”. Nor do I go around making childish comments (Rizzking). as for current training:
Seattle Bujinkan – Budo Taijutsu
Tsubaki shrine – Aikido
Tap or snap – BJJ
and the home study courses to keep me fresh…..

The statements some have made about me getting “smashed”? Your acting like you know my skills, and how I train. I do train for NHB. but Im not ready for the big time stuff yet.

as for the Morihei Ueshiba statement, I was tired.
Ueshiba O’sensei didnt officially “create” aikido until 42 years old. Sumimasen.>

Post: Italian Monk:

I have a freind that trains at Seattle Bujinkan – Budo Taijutsu. Do you know a Todd thats there ?

Humbly,>

Post: bamboo:

Samureye-

Osensei – Born 1883
Aikido named in 1942

He was 59 years old.

_____________________________________________________________

Lets get back on topic, additional Samur-eye credential flaming can take place in the sound off forum.

bamboo>

Post: Samur-eye:

Quote:
He was 59 years old.

God I screwed up again! lol. I meant 1942. sumbitch, I just cant type. thanks for the info Bamboo.

Todd? not sure. explain what he looks like. I dont take time to remember names, exept Zane, Phil sensei, and Mark.

Oh, are you talking of the other seattle Booj? with Dave Tijerina sensei? I am only familiar with Dominic at that one. unless todd is tall. then I know who he is. I am going to a seminar with them (seattle Booj..)

I have only trained with the 19th ave Bujinkan. I know Dave sensei though. You should go and train there. The fees are very low, and skill is good. I work all the time, and barely have time to go anywhere anymore.

Good training,
KE>

Post: Rizzking:

[quote=Samur-eye and the home study courses to keep me fresh…..

[/quote 

LMAO.

Of course, you’re the man. What belt are you in your own style? Or do you send away for a rank cert. and a video black belt for that too?>

Post: zefff:

[quote=Samur-eye As for current training:
Seattle Bujinkan – Budo Taijutsu
Tsubaki shrine – Aikido
Tap or snap – BJJ
and the home study courses to keep me fresh…..
[/quote 

CV’s are boring mate, and that line about home study keeping you fresh is hilarious really. Nowt wrong wiv watching the odd video but blowing trumpets over it does not impress anyone at all and expecting people to pat you on the back for it is irritating. NO-ONE will big you up for any home study. It is not real.

Quote:
The statements some have made about me getting “smashed”? Your acting like you know my skills, and how I train. I do train for NHB. but Im not ready for the big time stuff yet.

PMSL! :lol: if you think u aint ‘ready’ for the bigtime (whatever that is :roll: ) you will get smashed mate. I hope you do get smashed. It will broaden your thinking and hopefully you will tear up all your certificates :lol: , stop reciting your CV and go give it some in your training.

I dont need to know your skills or how you train. Thats your business. You could be a novice and I’d respect you for having some bottle. Having a crack. Testing yourself.

Getting smashed is a good thing. I love getting smashed by someone who is awesome, it forces you to confront your limits and weakness. It either makes you better as you learn from it and develop your technique and conditioning with renewed vigour….or it terrifies you, embarrasses you and reveals the chinks in your ego making you quit the school.

Ive seen loads of humble, honest practioners who do their talking with technique, as well as loads of high ranking cowards who will do anything to keep their self image wrapped up in cotton wool, sheilded from reality.

No offence intended.>

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