How should a striker implement a game for MMA?
Original Poster: The BadBoy
Forum: Mixed Martial Arts Forums
Posted On: 20-07-2005, 14:30
Orginal Post: The BadBoy: I would like to start a discussion as to what a striker can do to be successful in MMA competition.
How should he polish his stand up skills to fit into an MMA context?
P.S. Please don’t write learn how to fight on the ground. DES! I’M TALKIN TO YOU!
I think being able to exploit the openings of the take down and being more than familiar with the mechanics of the takedown is essential for the striker working in the MMA world. As well, when put in the clinch or another equally compromising position, I believe a good striker should know how to both disengage and even (gasp) throw the opponent away and into striking range. Chuck Liddell is quite successful as a striker participating in the MMA world and I’ve seen him both exploiting takedowns and successfully disengaging a grappler and immediatly striking at exactly the rigt time.
My question to you is- Is it an absolute that a striker must be standing to deliver “his game”?
Can he do the same thing on the ground?
I wonder how many pure strikers practice pure striking from the various positions one would find themselves in while participating in a MMA event?
Post: The BadBoy:
A striker would develop his game in an MMA environment that includes stand-up, clinch and ground and the various positions he would find himself in during those phases of combat.
I merely want to start the discussion off with the stand-up and clinch games as those are what most strikers are familiar with. Then after some core discussion had been done I was gonna move towards an MMA game in general.>
Post: Tease T Tickle:
Although I find your initial post humorous for the assumption I’d make a snide comment, my reaction to your question is two words: San Shou.
A striker’s biggest problem in the MMA world is being sucked into a different game (i.e. rolling on the mat fending off submissions), and the only time that’s an issue is if the striker gets taken off his feet. San Shou, although not generally regarded as the best style to train, mixes stand-up striking with throws and takedowns but ignores the groundgame. Therefore, if a hardcore striker started training with a San Shou coach for MMA events, he could execute throws pre-emptively to keep the more seasoned grappler away as well as defend takedowns to stay standing.>
a striker would have to become really good at defending takedowns, and get used to getting taken down, and once on the ground learn how to get out of the position and return to their feet, and of course learn how to strike from the ground, as bamboo said, Liddell is great at all of that, from my experience if a good standup striker goes to the ground and tries the same striking game without any previos practice on the ground they tend to have really bad balance>
Post: The BadBoy:
So what sort of changes does a seasoned stand up fighter make to his game that would enable him to more effectively stay on his feet? Does the way he stand change? Does the way he throws his strikes change? Which techniques then become more favourable for him?>
maybe a deeper lower stance, and definently defending takedowns, because if he stands completely upright like he would in a standup fight (boxing, kickboxing) he’ll get double legged, and when you’re standing straight up it’s nearly impossible to defend it, you can’t sprawl, at best you’ll get him in your guard, and that wouldn’t be to good for a striker, especially against a ground and pound wrestler, I mean look at what Tito Ortiz has done to people when he’s been in their guards, but again about the deeper lower stance and defending takedowns, look at early Vitor Belfort fights, he’d outstrike (punch) whoever he was fighting and if they tried a takedown he’d defend it and keep striking, and it also wouldn’t hurt if he had a year or two of wrestling, and maybe a little hapkido or bjj to be farmilir with submissions>
I know you said not to say “learn groundfighting” but I’m sorry its kind of necessary for a striker to really implement his game.
If a guy has no clue on the ground, and doesn’t know enough wrestling to defend against takedowns (and I’m including the sprawl as a wrestling technique) then he’s going to be too scared to really strike.
Haven’t you seen examples of this already? Guys who you know are great strikers but they’re so afraid of the takedown that they basically allow the grappler to dominate the fight anyway?
Guys like Crocop who have developed an extremely good sprawl, and have learned the ability to scramble back up to their feet after being taken down are most able to implement their striking game.
Basically, Sprawl ‘n’ Brawl tactics. So grappling actually enhances striking, oddly enough.
As far as striking translating to GnP, I’m not so sure it does. Like Goongaloonga said, if you don’t have the wrestling/groundfighting experience you might not be able to avoid getting swept or submitted on the ground.>
My friend fought this weekend, he is a wrestler and not a good striker, he fought a striker. Everytime my buddy would shoot in for the single the other kid would throw knees, elbows whatever he had to do to punish the attacker. Not only do you have to know how to disengage/ sprawl you need to punish your opponent enough to where they no longer want to try and take you to the mat. In my opinion a good defense is a great offense, lets face it, shooting in and not getting a takedown does two major things in a fight, a.) it wears your opponenent down and b.) it breaks their spirit
so my theory is practice practice practice how to escape a takedown, in the end my buddy lost the fight, he had 3 good slams but just had taken so much punishment in the end he was gassed>