The Ultimate Fighter

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The Ultimate Fighter
Original Poster: dscott
Forum: Mixed Martial Arts Forums
Posted On: 16-04-2005, 23:35

Orginal Post: dscott: Is everyone ready for the series debut of this show? It’s on tonight on Spike TV at 11pm.

Post: zefff:

I heard about that. Its with Randy and Chuck yeah? I’d luv to see it but god knows who would pick it up over here.

Not sure about some of the wannabe fighters but what a chance to make the bigtime!>

Post: dscott:

I don’t know if this will help at all but here’s the link.

http://www.spiketv.com/shows/series/index.jhtml?seriesID=14176&refID=ultimatefighter>

Post: dscott:

So I watched this show last night and I thought it was great. Of course they had to have the typical “drama”, but that’s just because they’re trying to make it more interesting. They focused a lot on their training. There’s only one guy on there that I can’t stand and I’m sure 90% of the rest of the viewers would agree. Chris, with the red hair, is so annoying and cocky. There’s one thing if you’re confident but being cocky and a prick is just wrong and I hope someone hands him his ass.

Actually, there are two guys on the show from Boston who I’ve seen fight before. I saw them fight at Mass Destruction 15 last year. Alex Karalexis and Kenny Florian are local guys that I’ve heard of. Alex is smaller but he’s real quick. Kenny is really good on the ground.

I really hope that other people on this forum have seen this.>

Post: kranker66:

-Now this sounds like reality TV!!!…none of that ‘who’s your drunk-ass-obnoxious girlfriend-gonna-try and do next week.’ bull shit!…I’m looking forward to see some the training methods and who these guys are… should be cool.>

Post: dscott:

Actually you do get drunk-ass-obnoxious fighter. The first night he gets hammered and tries to get everyone else drunk. He actually did good the next day though (except for a cramp).>

Post: bamboo:

I watched the first episode and thats it for me. This whole “share a house”, “social interaction” is just too much for me.

I would have watched it if it was more of a documentary style following each person and comparing/contarasting their training/fighting methods as well as the fights. This is just too much of a “the fighting batchlor” for me. I’m waiting for Joe rogan to show up and give out roses to the guys that stay for the next episode.>

Post: dscott:

[quote=bamboo This is just too much of a “the fighting batchlor” for me. I’m waiting for Joe rogan to show up and give out roses to the guys that stay for the next episode.[/quote 

It never fails that you make me laugh my ass off. :lol: :lol:

I agree with you completely but I knew it would be like that before I watched it so it didn’t suprise me. I’ll watch it for a couple more episodes to see if it improves.

It reminds me a lot of “Tough Enough” that aired for a couple of seasons on MTV. Except it was with the WWF. I actually enjoyed that show because it showed people that Professional Wrestling isn’t as “fake” as people think. It takes skill and athletisism and people really do get hit and hurt.>

Post: Bushi:

I liked it. One of the guys Kenny Florian tells me it gets alot better.>

Post: dscott:

Bushi – Do you know Kenny?>

Post: zefff:

If they live in the same house I guess the producers want them to argue over dirty keggs on the floor and hair in the soap and stuff. I wonder what would happen if they come to blows in the house? I mean, these are egotistical, self-obsessed, wanna be stars arent they?>

Post: dscott:

Most of them seem very grateful and understanding that it’s a competition. But there are a few that seem like they might be of that “tough guy” attitude. I think they show a preview that implies one guy trying to beat up another one in the house.

The first episode had them sparring at about 70% but there were a couple of people that Chuck and Randy had to tell to relax.

It’s got to be tough to keep things friendly when you’re all competing for one contract with UFC.>

Post: zefff:

“there were a couple of people that Chuck and Randy had to tell to relax. “

I bet they relaxed the eff up quicktime eh? :lol:

I bet they arent looking for the best or toughest fighter anyway but the one who is most flexible and grounded and also someone who is a great learner and can develop into a good fighter with time and a few good rounds.>

Post: dscott:

They’re looking for the person who wants it the most. You can always train to enhance your skills but if you don’t have the drive and heart, forget about it.>

Post: Bushi:

[quote=dscott Bushi – Do you know Kenny?[/quote 

I am a regular on Jiujitsugear.com’s forum and so is he. I have yet to meet him face-to-face.>

Post: dscott:

I wonder if anyone on this forum tried out.>

Post: zefff:

[quote=dscott They’re looking for the person who wants it the most. You can always train to enhance your skills but if you don’t have the drive and heart, forget about it.[/quote 

yeah that goes without saying. They are all there so they all must want it pretty bad. Their not novices anyway are they? Im sure they must have some background and half decent CV’s.>

Post: dscott:

[quote=zefff [quote=dscott They’re looking for the person who wants it the most. You can always train to enhance your skills but if you don’t have the drive and heart, forget about it.[/quote 

yeah that goes without saying. They are all there so they all must want it pretty bad. Their not novices anyway are they? Im sure they must have some background and half decent CV’s.[/quote 

There’s one guy that almost quit after the first day because he was so far behind everyone else but they managed to persuade him to stay. I think he’s just a beginner to MMA with maybe 5 fights under his belt.>

Post: zefff:

5 fights semi-pro or even amateur fights is hardly a beginner! He must have trained for a good length of time even before his first fight. Not that I actually really care TBH. :roll:

Are any of them from obscure or unorthodox MA or are they all MT/BJJ types?>

Post: dscott:

If you check out the link to Spike TV that I gave earlier, you can get bios on each of the fighters. Most of them wrestled in highschool and alot of them train in BJJ, MT, Judo, Boxing, etc…>

Post: dscott:

I really thought this thread would be more popular and productive. I thought more people would be interested in this show and would be talking about it every week. Oh well.>

Post: Stg:

is it just me, or does liddell’s team win every challenge? i think he picked the best people and randy got stuck with the scrubs :mrgreen:>

Post: dscott:

This show is getting better and better. The first two challenges that were given to the kids had the losing team losing a player to be chosen by the coach. Now, the challenges are individual with the losing kid choosing someone from the opposite team to fight. Loser goes home. I was expecting a “highlight” of the fight but they actually show the whole fight w/ no (noticeable) editing.

I’m loving this show now.

I can’t believe no one else is watching it and wants to talk. :(>

Post: zefff:

we dont get it here. :evil: :evil: :evil:

Cant be long before we get our own version with Ian Freeman and Rick Young! 8)>

Post: dscott:

That sucks. Unfortunately the website for the show sucks. They don’t really have any good information on it.>

Post: Stg:

i’m loving this shit man- dana white ripped them up with his lecture :mrgreen: also the theme song to the show kicks ass!>

Post: dscott:

[quote=Stg i’m loving this shit man- dana white ripped them up with his lecture :mrgreen: also the theme song to the show kicks ass![/quote 

Yeah. For those of you who can’t watch it. Dana White (UFC President) called them all out of bed one night because he heard that a few of the kids were pissed because they weren’t getting paid to fight. They were complaining that they put their health on the line and should be paid. Most of them were under the impression that they would only fight in the finals, not every week. Anyway, Dana comes in and rips into everyone saying that they were chosen because they’re the best in the country and should be thankful they’re there. It did hype them up too. In the end, right before the two fighters were coming out to fight, Dana grabbed them (seperately) and said that if the fight was won by KO or submission, the winner would get $5K. Not too bad.>

Post: Stg:

man, bobby was looking fucked up when he had to lose those 20lb. he was cursing at chuck :mrgreen:>

Post: dscott:

[quote=Stg man, bobby was looking fucked up when he had to lose those 20lb. he was cursing at chuck :mrgreen:[/quote 

That’s just not healthy though. 20 lbs in 24 hrs!!!!! I understand that alot of it is water weight but still…..>

Post: NeverMan:

I am watching it, sorry just haven’t posted that I was watching it. I have seen them all so far (all 3). The fight was kinda weak except for the knockout combo, that was pretty nice. Lodune didn’t look mentally ready, he looked afraid.

I was actually kinda pissed off that they let bobby even fight. What a pussy, he was crying about losing weight, although it was like a pound an hour he had to lose.

Great show. I hate the redheaded dude, he’s an ahole. I like they guy he beat in a previous fight. I want to see them go at it.>

Post: kranker66:

- …I’m starting to get into it, I thought Bobby was kinda being punky about the weight loss but, 20 lbs. in 24 hrs then to go out and fight Whoa!…then win, and win by K.O. + $5K in his pocket, that’s cool! …Good for him!…He’s got a shitload of confidence now.

-…I really didn’t think he had much of a chance because of all the weight loss he had to do- he must of been so drained after losing all the weight then to go in the fight- it’s Win and stay, or Lose and go home.

-I thought Loudine would of spotted him the 3-4 lbs. , but when he was saying: ‘rules are rules, and they wouldn’t of done it for us’ -ya know he was going to loose. He really didn’t want to be there.>

Post: dscott:

I loved how pissed Chuck got at the end of the competition when Bobby was giving up and putting his hands on his knees.>

Post: zefff:

so how did the dude lose 20lbs in 24hours? :shock:>

Post: dscott:

Riding a stationary bike in a sauna while wearing a rubber suit. Most of it was water weight. I’m starting to think that the 20lbs might have been exaggerated a bit. Either that or he actually didn’t make the weight. That’s just not healthy but the fight doctor said he was actually more healthy than anyone she’s ever seen after doing something like that.>

Post: Dormath:

he was 206 not 205 there is a catch weight of 1 pound.

Some Good fighter i know the top four will be

Griffen,Hoger,leben,Swick>

Post: dscott:

[quote=Dormath he was 206 not 205 there is a catch weight of 1 pound.

Some Good fighter i know the top four will be

Griffen,Hoger,leben,Swick[/quote 

So do you know this for a fact, therefore, ruining the show or is this your opinion?>

Post: Dormath:

i would not ruinin the show for people that shit would not be right altho at IronLife there is a thread in which you can find out. But if you were like me you would not want to know.

This is just my opinion from the fights have seen from this guys. Sorry if i confused you with my confidence :mrgreen:>

Post: dscott:

No problem. It was just the way you said it. I hope Leban will get kicked off soon because I can’t stand people like him, but I really think that he has the skills (from what I’ve seen). I also think that he will be kept on the show to make it interested.>

Post: Dormath:

yeah man he is a real jerk but like you said and like Randy says he has the goods>

Post: dscott:

I think that Josh K, Mike Swick and Diego will be some of the top fighters. I think Josh K will win his weight class. He’s got the skills, heart and attitude.

I have to stop watching the show’s intro. They show Josh K and Chris L fighting. I hope Josh knocks the shit out of him.>

Post: Stg:

“i was blessed…with a lackluster team” -chris l.>

Post: Dormath:

yeah that intro gave away the Boby and Loudin fight it should Boby after a fight with his hands raised.>

Post: dscott:

[quote=Stg “i was blessed…with a lackluster team” -chris l.[/quote 

What a dick!!!!>

Post: dscott:

So…….one of my local guys is gone. I’m not the biggest fan of Diego but he does have skills. Not a real exciting fight. Once it went to the ground, you knew it was only a matter of time.

When Diego went to the doctor, I was expecting the doctor to tell him that he couldn’t fight and then Chris L. and Josh K. would have fought instead.>

Post: Stg:

diego’s a good wrestler, i gotta say! did you se the preview for the next episode? that shit looks crazy!>

Post: dscott:

I love how Diego kept complaining about Alex’s language and how he acted. Fuckin’ Alex is from fuckin’ Boston. What the fuck does he fuckin’ expect? :lol:>

Post: Dormath:

i like what Chris said that Chuck told him about Josh.

Chris- so you teaching Josh Stand up
Chuck- Trying
Chris- so when i fight him will he stand up with me
Chuck – not unless he wants to get hit with a chair when he gets back to the corner>

Post: Stg:

lol, i get it, because josh was a wrestler :mrgreen: yeah i was cracking up when he said that>

Post: 8LimbsScientist:

I’m watching too! I’ve seen all episodes.

I’m in the minority because I like Leben. But then again I like Tito too.

I like how he’s not just about bullshitting, he actually wants to fight. He’s calling out the other teams best fighter.

I love the fact that the fights are unedited. If you watched Oscar Delahoya’s reality show, they edited the fights to make them look like the matchs from Rocky so that the average joe would enjoy them. It actually made it so you couldn’t form any other opinion about who won the fight than the one they wanted you to form. I hated that.>

Post: dscott:

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I love the fact that the fights are unedited. If you watched Oscar Delahoya’s reality show, they edited the fights to make them look like the matchs from Rocky so that the average joe would enjoy them. It actually made it so you couldn’t form any other opinion about who won the fight than the one they wanted you to form. I hated that.

This is probably what I like most about the show.

I have total respect for Leban in the fact that he’s not afraid to fight anyone (or so he says)……..but he’s still annoying. Have you noticed that when starts talking shit to everyone, he actually does it with respect. Like he’ll say “I’m gonna kick your ass, because you’re the best one here besides me”. He has his weird way of complimenting people.>

Post: Dormath:

when leben talks trash it is not as bad as when tito does it. he makes it sound bad but not to bad like dscott said he complimenting you. like with the Swick thing saying that beating him was his biggest win.>

Post: 8LimbsScientist:

Lol…wouldn’t it be great if everyone did that?

“You SUCK! And I’m only saying that because of my low self-esteem and poor upbringing! But you do!”

I wasn’t a huge fan of Leben before that last show, but I was impressed with his confidence and willingness to engage arguably the toughest competitor on the other side. We’ll see how he does.

On a side note…did you guys know that Bobby Southworth (the dude that had the first KO) fought Vitor Belfort in Pride? I didn’t think any of these guys had made it to the big shows yet? He lost of course.>

Post: dscott:

WHOOOAAAH. I just noticed that Forrest fought Dan Severn back in 2001. Lost, of course, but it was a decision. He also fought and lost to Jeremy Horn.>

Post: dscott:

Who do you think is the main culprit of all the trouble in tonight’s episode?

I have a feeling that it’s Diego. Or of course, Chris Leban.>

Post: Stg:

i’m thinking bobby and leban. diego might do something crazy but bobby and leban looked like they were ready to tear the house up with each other!>

Post: Kyorgi:

I never saw the first episode of the show,so they could have mentioned this but Mike Swick and Chris Leben fought against each other before too.>

Post: kranker66:

-Tonight’s show should be exciting…from what I can gather from previews it looks like a house brawl or something…I’m curious who fights tonight in the octagon.
The games they do are kinda lame, like pulling themselves across the desert in a kayak…still it’s a cool show. Man, I want to see Leban get pounded!>

Post: dscott:

Holy shit that was an exciting episode. I lost total respect for both Bobby and Josh K. I still think that Leban has issues but you don’t keep pushing buttons like that. Especially since Leban was being the bigger man and separating himself from the house. In the end, I think Dana & the coaches handled it right by setting up a fight with Leban and Josh K. But what’s going to happen if Leban wins? He’s still going to have to live with that asshole Bobby.

There’s just a lot of stuff to talk about with this episode. What about how Josh K was also antagonizing Diego while he was flipping out in his sleep? How about Leban’s knuckle?

Bottom line is that this episode showed how people really are. Bobby & Josh are cowards & childish. Nate & Swick are standup, honorable guys. I really hope Nate’s ankle heals up quick so he has a chance at winning.>

Post: .smoke.:

Dana, Chuck and Randy made the best decision by making Leban fight Josh K. next week>

Post: kranker66:

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Holy shit that was an exciting episode. I lost total respect for both Bobby and Josh K. I still think that Leban has issues but you don’t keep pushing buttons like that. Especially since Leban was being the bigger man and separating himself from the house

…I totally agree Leban removed himself from the situation and that should of been that. Then to have those guys pour water on him was uncalled for. He had every right to go off!…I think Leban will beat Josh K. in the next episode.
…I didn’t like Leban immature attitutde he displayed in the beggining episodes, but he stepped up and removed himself and those other two are looking like the punks now. Bobby should of got thrown off the show!…

…And Nate is a true teammate. How he said “if Chris gets thrown off I’m going too.” That’s a professional…too bad about his ankle though.
Why did Randy put 6 guys too train in the octagon all at once?…Doesn’t make sense too me, now you see the results with his injury.>

Post: dscott:

Quote:
Why did Randy put 6 guys too train in the octagon all at once?…Doesn’t make sense too me, now you see the results with his injury.

That doesn’t make sense. Not if you’re going to be rolling around and such. If it’s just boxing then you’re safe but it doesn’t make sense to have 6 guys in an unpredictable situation.>

Post: 8LimbsScientist:

I never liked Bobby (too much whining during the weigh in) but I used to like Josh a lot. But now I think they are both losers. I agree that Leben can be an ass and he likes to play pranks, but all of his antics are all “above the belt.” He never hits someone in a sensitive spot where the person is crying about it.

Bobby made that stupid comment about Chris being a “fatherless bastard” and then gives the most unsincere apology ever. Then he gets together with his little friend and they start scheming to go out after Chris (who friggin decided to sleep outside just to AVOID problems and cool down) and poor water on him giggling like a couple of school girls the whole time. Then when Leben gets up, Josh is runs away like a little bitch.

The only one who actually stands his ground after the prank is Bobby (who also conveniently outweighs Leben by like 50 lbs). Then they try to cover their shit up afterwards and justify it. I hope Leben breaks Josh’s face.>

Post: dscott:

I’m with you 8LS. I used to like Josh. He was one of my favorites. It looks like he is sooo scared to fight Chris. Did you see Chris’ eyes light up when they told him he would fight Josh? :twisted: On the other end, did you see Josh’s face? :shock:>

Post: Kyorgi:

I can’t wait, I thought Leben was an asshole in the beginning, but after that I want him to win the whole thing.>

Post: kranker66:

-Leban may have done some stupid things in the earlier shows, but Bobby & Josh K. if they had a problems with him should of done something right then or at least within a 24hr. period not pulll the stuff they did weeks later and blame it on the booze…

-…Bobby & Josh K. came back and said to Dana, Randy & Chuck: something like ‘ well if he (chris) dishes it out, he’s got too be able to take it.’…..there so
un-professional. The next show will be a great fight. Leban is going to pound josh k. …>

Post: NeverMan:

The ankle injury was stupid and needless, bad move by Randy, he should KNOW better.

Chris is a punk, but Josh and Bobby were being bigger punks when they went outside and sprayed water on him. That was messed up. These guys are 27 and 34 and this is how they act? Weak.

Bobby is a bitch ass asshole. He walks around always bitching about everyone else and he whines about losing water weight like a little bitch. I have absolutely no respect for him at all. I think Josh’s behavior is influenced by Bobby a lot, and if he is not careful, it’s gonna wind up getting his ass handed to him by Chris and having to leave the show.

He definitely punked out when Chris got up, he is scared of Chris. They haven’t really shown the differences in skills yet, but they have definitely implied it, and it looks as though everyone is afraid of Chris except Bobby.

I don’t like Bobby. I am starting to warm up to Chris. I am disappointed in Josh.

LOL. That about sums it up. Can’t wait till next week for that fight, I am routing for Chris in that one I think, but I will be surprised if he wins. I think it goes to the ground and I don’t think Chris can compete with Josh on the ground.>

Post: 8LimbsScientist:

[quote=dscott I’m with you 8LS. I used to like Josh. He was one of my favorites. It looks like he is sooo scared to fight Chris. Did you see Chris’ eyes light up when they told him he would fight Josh? :twisted: On the other end, did you see Josh’s face? :shock:[/quote 

Yeah man, Chris was so happy they were going to get to fight. When Chuck told Josh it had the atmosphere of telling someone their dog died.

Another thing I didn’t like about the two of them was how they changed the story after the fact and started justifying everything.

Bobby: We didn’t even wet him…we sprayed AROUND him *cut to a clip of them pouring water on him*

Josh: The guy is a menace…he’s crazy. If we don’t get rid of him now…what’s he going to do next? I’m frightened Chuck…hold me.>

Post: Stg:

geez, you guys pretty said everything that could have been said before i got the chance. :p

dude, how fucked up was diego though! he was so shitfaced he started throwing fits!>

Post: kranker66:

-I hope Chris doesn’t blow his match with Josh K. by getting DQ’ed for something stupid during the fight, or for that matter before the fight.
Unfortunatly I could see that happening.

-Yeah Diego was bombed alright…we don’t know about many of the other fighters on the show, maybe they just have’nt emerged yet…I want to see Forrest fight, looks like he’d be good…he seems to have the right temperment-even keeled.>

Post: dscott:

So what do you guys think will happen to Bobby? He’s getting off scott-free.

I do like the idea of taking the alcohol away. You can’t expect 16 “grow” men to live in the house together with no TV, newspapers, magazines or radio to drink responsibly, right?>

Post: kranker66:

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So what do you guys think will happen to Bobby? He’s getting off scott-free.

I do like the idea of taking the alcohol away. You can’t expect 16 “grow” men to live in the house together with no TV, newspapers, magazines or radio to drink responsibly, right?

-I hope Bobby takes a beating, but from who I don’t know, he won’t be on the show for too much longer I’d bet, he’ll lose a fight or he’ll be kicked off…I forget who’s in what weight class and who’s on what team, I’m not sure who could challenge Bobby?… Swick?, Forrest?, Stephan?…but if the show goes that way I hope Bobby gets KO’ed.>

Post: dscott:

[quote=kranker66 I forget who’s in what weight class and who’s on what team, I’m not sure who could challenge Bobby?… Swick?, Forrest?, Stephan?.[/quote 

http://www.theultimatefighter.tv/index.php

The Light Heavyweights that could fight him are Stephan Bonner, Alex Schoenauer & Mike Swick. The only other Lt. Hw. is Forrest and Sam. I’d personally like to see Forrest but that won’t happen soon.>

Post: .smoke.:

Did anyone see the preview for next week? Was that Josh taking Leban down? And it looked like someone was raising Joshs’ hand and he was yelling at someone…Those previews go so fast man, I hope Leban beats Josh down, but it looked bad to me.>

Post: Stg:

yeah they show josh yelling at someone from what appears to be after a fight in the show’s intro. i think he wins :/>

Post: Kyorgi:

I think I’m gonna cry if Chris loses.>

Post: NeverMan:

Well, even if Chris loses, he pissed all over the Canadiens bed, and that was fucked up.>

Post: Dormath:

[quote=dscott [quote=kranker66 I forget who’s in what weight class and who’s on what team, I’m not sure who could challenge Bobby?… Swick?, Forrest?, Stephan?.[/quote 

http://www.theultimatefighter.tv/index.php

The Light Heavyweights that could fight him are Stephan Bonner, Alex Schoenauer & Mike Swick. The only other Lt. Hw. is Forrest and Sam. I’d personally like to see Forrest but that won’t happen soon.[/quote 

Yeah i would really like to see Forrest fight aswell. and i would like to see what Hoger learned at MFS.

I loved it what Chris said about the fihgt with Josh You could not have told me anything better.

Chris will KILL him esaly josh will be tooled esaly by Leben>

Post: bamboo:

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Well, even if Chris loses, he pissed all over the Canadiens bed, and that was fucked up.

This is the type of thing that will ensure that MMAs will maintain a crude image and will turn off the more mature artists with the ca$h.

Although it may not be the truth, the fact that “spike tv” seems to encourage this type of behaviour will put UFC in the same gutter as WWE.

Its a shame because a great amount of the best martial artists that the world will never know are mmas.

Just my opinion,

-bamboo>

Post: dscott:

Bamboo: I don’t think that someone pissing in someone else’s bed will tarnish the image of MMA. I think that tarnishes the image of the youth. There’s no doubt that Spike TV is trying to cash in on the WWE crowd. This show is on late at night right after RAW.

I think that the only way this show will ruin the image of MMA is by showing an episode like the last one. The public will watch that and think that all these guys want to do is fight and kill one another.

Oh. On a side note. One of the contestants on Sylvester Stallone’s new boxing reality show (The Contender) killed himself.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=televisionNews&storyID=2005-02-16T034807Z_01_N15124649_RTRIDST_0_TELEVISION-TELEVISION-CONTENDER-DC.XML>

Post: bamboo:

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This show is on late at night right after RAW.

You can also usually catch it on sunday mornings. In fact, two weeks ago they had a biography of Mark Kerr (1hour) followed by an episode of TUF at 9am sunday morning. I was getting ready for class and was really inspired by Kerr’s story.>

Post: .smoke.:

[quote=bamboo 

This is the type of thing that will ensure that MMAs will maintain a crude image and will turn off the more mature artists with the ca$h.

Although it may not be the truth, the fact that “spike tv” seems to encourage this type of behaviour will put UFC in the same gutter as WWE.

Its a shame because a great amount of the best martial artists that the world will never know are mmas.

Just my opinion,

-bamboo[/quote 
while this is true….spike tv as well as Dana White want ratings, and thats what they have>

Post: NeverMan:

If I am correct, I believe it is also on Saturday night PrimeTime. At least they were advertising their Sat. PrimeTime lineup with Ultimate Fighter in the mix.

Yes, if they only show Chris, Bobby, and Josh or guys like them (Diego is kind of a jackass it looks like) then people will certainly get a bad impression of the UFC, but like you said, not the WWE crowd, which it looks like they are kinda going in that direction. It’s like WWE except the fights are real.>

Post: Stg:

[quote=bamboo 
Quote:
This show is on late at night right after RAW.

You can also usually catch it on sunday mornings. In fact, two weeks ago they had a biography of Mark Kerr (1hour) followed by an episode of TUF at 9am sunday morning. I was getting ready for class and was really inspired by Kerr’s story.[/quote 

was that the one with coleman in it too, when they were fighting at the pride events? i saw it too. i was suprised they followed them around a pride event instead of a ufc event, i didn’t know u.s. tv knew wtf pride fc was :P>

Post: bamboo:

Not sure if Coleman was in this one, I caught the first 1/2 hour then had class that morning. It was pretty interesting though, its what I hoped TUF would be.

-bamboo>

Post: dscott:

[quote=bamboo Not sure if Coleman was in this one, I caught the first 1/2 hour then had class that morning. It was pretty interesting though, its what I hoped TUF would be.

-bamboo[/quote 

Was it called “The Smashing Machine”?>

Post: bamboo:

I wish I could remember guys…sorry.

I was watching the show, making breakfast and amusing my daughter, and getting my gi and stuff ready for class…. ’twas a busy morn!

I can’t imagine that there are very many biographies about Mark Kerr out there though!

-bamboo>

Post: dscott:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0320512/

I caught a little bit of it but I’ve been meaning to rent it.>

Post: Dormath:

Well josh won and Leben is gone kinda sucks leben would made some good matchups.

whats with the promos and show intros BLOWING the fights before they happen like what dana said about next week and how it shows Bobby and Josh with there hands up after the fights.>

Post: NeverMan:

Yeah, Josh won. I like Chris because of his heart but I don’t like him because of his immaturity. Dana said it best: he is mentally weak. He should have pounded Josh into the ground. Chris didn’t handle the defeat well at all and Josh also acted like a little kid after he won. Josh took the easy “no fun to watch” approach to winning, which was smart for him, but not much fun for us.

Does anyone else feel that the Jab is neglected (particularly as a setup weapon) in MMA?>

Post: dscott:

Well, I think I’m happy to see Chris go. Right from the beginning I didn’t like him. I don’t really think he was crying because he lost a fight. I think he was crying because he knew his chance at the contract was over. I thought he would have taken the lost a little better though. I mean, he was complaining about everything from the number of rounds to the way Josh fought (which, by the way, was the exact way to fight against Chris).

I think Josh did a great job, dispite it being boring for us to watch. I think a lot of people were actually happy to see Chris go.

It seems as though Chuck really knows how to pick a team, huh?>

Post: Stg:

i was cracking up when josh was in the sauna making fun of bobby-

“waaaa! i can’t do it! i can’t do it! f*ck you! f*ck you!” and you see chuck cracking up like crazy, and bobby’s sitting behind josh with this funny look on his face as if to say, “screw you josh that wasn’t funny” :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

i feel sorry for leban, he really wanted that win- it was personal. and all that trash he was talking about crippling josh… poor guy didn’t even get a decent hit in :-/>

Post: 8LimbsScientist:

I was sad to see Chris lose…he was the star of the show, and I think it sucks that the judges still award Lay ‘n’ Pray fighters with decisions.

I’m dissapointed in Chris for choking and not letting his hands go, but by the same token its ridiculous for Josh to get takedowns and then just lay on top of the guy, not trying to GnP, not trying to pass the guard, not trying for submissions, nothing.

If Chris ever wants to make it to the big show he’s going to have to work on takedown defense and submissions (did you see how Kenny Florian was tooling Josh during training? That sweep was sweeet) and if Josh wants to ever do ANYTHING in MMA he’s going to have to learn to do something else besides takedowns.>

Post: dscott:

Before the fight, I expected Chris to be fighting with his anger. I expected him to be blinded by it. When it first started, I was like “Whoa….he’s actually being patient.” But in the end, I think that’s what killed him. He was too patient, waiting for that perfect blow.

Oh well. I can’t wait to see Forrest fight. He’s one of my favorites, even though I haven’t seen much on him.>

Post: Stg:

he’s fighting next with swick i think.. i wonder what the controversy in the preview is all about?>

Post: dscott:

Those fucking previews and promos give away too much fucking information. I’m sick of knowing what’s going to happen.

If that’s true, it will be a good fight and I’ll be sad to see either of them lose.>

Post: Stg:

someone on sherdog made a petition to dana white to change the rules a bit to prevent lnp people like josh from getting wins:

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=237886

would anyone really see this petition working though? :P

also does anyone know the name of the song/band name of the ufc theme song? dunno if they use it at events but it’s the intro song used in every ufc game.

also just to add comments on the leban fight, i think he could have done a better job keeping josh’s takedowns at bay- a quick knee shot, a sidestep, anything would have been better than nothing for him. also i would have at least tried SOMETHING on the bottom, a triangle choke, a better guillotine, an attempt at countering for an armbar, leban just layed there trying to hold him down it appeared. i give him props for trying the kimura at one point, though.>

Post: Kyorgi:

Did anyone else see Bobby in a green jersey in the preview, I’m not sure if I really saw what i saw ( :? ) but if it was Bobby…thats just hilarious…WHOSE GOT THE FLAWLESS VICTORY NOW BITCH! hehe :lol:>

Post: kranker66:

Quote:
if Josh wants to ever do ANYTHING in MMA he’s going to have to learn to do something else besides takedowns.

..That’s what I saw- nothing but takedowns…

…Because I can’t stand Josh, I almost want to see him get a contract and to have him step into the octagon against some really good MMAists with very good striking and GnP ability-he will just get pummeled. :twisted:

…and Randy’s comments to all the fighters:
‘act professional and represent this sport well’-basically…..
what was Josh saying about Randy’s comments along the lines like ‘he doesn’t want to hear it’…”What!!???”…this coming from the a 4-0 with wrestler with 1.5 yrs training experiance!?…”You have got to be kidden’ me!!!?”

-Randy a top UFC champion!…and Josh an arrogant little punk with few skills and a lot to learn has the nerve to come off that way!?…I like him less and less each episode. :evil:>

Post: 8LimbsScientist:

[quote=Stg also just to add comments on the leban fight, i think he could have done a better job keeping josh’s takedowns at bay- a quick knee shot, a sidestep, anything would have been better than nothing for him. also i would have at least tried SOMETHING on the bottom, a triangle choke, a better guillotine, an attempt at countering for an armbar, leban just layed there trying to hold him down it appeared. i give him props for trying the kimura at one point, though.[/quote 

Well to be fair, Leben DID stuff a few of Josh’s shots. He had a decent sprawl going and I noticed a couple times that he made Josh pay for shooting by throwing a knee or a couple punches, but you gotta understand that Josh is a very experienced wrestler. But Leben DEFINATELY could work on his sprawl more, and he really needs to learn some submissions and perhaps the ability to get back up once he’s on his back, or sweep or SOMETHING.

Kranker

Yes I agree 100%. That part about, “When Randy started giving his speech I almost walked out then and there…” I was thinking, what the hell? You almost walked out? Fine…walk out…welcome to your new job at Kinko’s.>

Post: dscott:

Now let me ask you this…….Do you think Randy is a good coach? I mean, his team has lost every challenge and every fight. We talked about this in another thread but he may be a great athelete and martial artist but just not really know how to teach. I’m not faulting him at all. If that’s the case, it would be the UFC’s fault for casting him as a coach. I mean, who trains his whole team in a cage together and allows takedowns?>

Post: kranker66:

Quote:
Now let me ask you this…….Do you think Randy is a good coach? I mean, his team has lost every challenge and every fight. We talked about this in another thread but he may be a great athelete and martial artist but just not really know how to teach. I’m not faulting him at all. If that’s the case, it would be the UFC’s fault for casting him as a coach. I mean, who trains his whole team in a cage together and allows takedowns?

dscott
You might be right there. Randy is a great athelete but may not be a very good coach…and you see that all the time great athelets don’t always make great coaches.>

Post: NeverMan:

I think you might be missing another piece of the puzzle here also. Alex and Chris were both strikers but were not very good at ground game, while Josh and Diego were very good at the ground game. I think it is harder to knock someone out in MMA than it is to submit someone (Diego did a good job of that, but Alex left it wide open) or sit on someone (like Josh did, and we already agreed that’s weak).

But there certainly maybe validation in Randy being a bad coach. The three teams training together in octogan is STUPID!! That was just not needed.

Also, I am not sure that any of Randy’s teams have followed his fight strategies so far. I think Chris tried hard to but just really wanted a knock out and that gave the advantage to Josh. This could be due to Randy’s bad coaching though, I don’t know.>

Post: kranker66:

Quote:
I think you might be missing another piece of the puzzle here also. Alex and Chris were both strikers but were not very good at ground game, while Josh and Diego were very good at the ground game. I think it is harder to knock someone out in MMA than it is to submit someone (Diego did a good job of that, but Alex left it wide open) or sit on someone (like Josh did, and we already agreed that’s weak).

-Yeah point taken…grapplers have an advantage just like Diego & Josh showed.
Once on the ground it becomes difficult for the striker.
( Maybe Chris & Alex should see some of Chuck’s tapes on how to avoid takedowns… :lol: :lol: )

-It’s too bad about Nate getting injured like he did, I doubt if he’ll make it to fight, but we’ll see. His ankle sounded like it was tore up pretty bad. I’d of like to see him fight he would be good, but who knows he may just surprise everyone and get in there .>

Post: NeverMan:

Yeah, I agree, I just don’t think he will be given enough time to fully recover and he will most likely never see the ring. He is really taking it well though, I would be super pissed at Randy.

I think it’s also important to keep in mind that their are other avenues besides this show to get into the UFC or other fighting events. We may well see Chris and some others again.

Dana told Chris, “see you soon”.

BTW: Does anyone have any background information on Dana White? Can I get a link? Thanks.>

Post: Stg:

on dana saying see you soon. i noticed they said something a little similar when alex got kicked off, i think they just say that to the losers to make them feel better. i think it’s interesting to note, however, that leban is listed as part of randy’s team from randy’s training center…>

Post: dscott:

Quote:
Dana told Chris, “see you soon”.

That’s probably because all the losers are sent to a hotel to live while the show still goes on. I’m sure that he meant it like that. Or it was just a way to put Chris in a better mood.>

Post: kranker66:

Quote:
I think it’s also important to keep in mind that their are other avenues besides this show to get into the UFC or other fighting events. We may well see Chris and some others again.

neverman
-I gotta agree with you there…this is not the end all for the guys that get kicked off the show we’ll see them again for sure. They’re ‘personalities’ now and promoters will be able to market them and get them to some other MMA stuff on a smaller circuit.

-Even though Chris and Alex are off the show, The’ll be getting fights in the future.
They are a name and a character and people like that. I had thought even those that lose and leave the show will be stepping into other fight arenas in other venues.>

Post: Kyorgi:

Quote:
That’s probably because all the losers are sent to a hotel to live while the show still goes on. I’m sure that he meant it like that. Or it was just a way to put Chris in a better mood.

Oh…….so thats why Chris asked if he’s going to the loser hotel now.>

Post: dscott:

Chris’s website is up and running. Check out the highlight video. No wonder he seemed crazy. He’s been hit in the head too many times. Also, check out during the video the fight where he’s stomping on his opponents feet. In a real life situation I would definitely do that but I didn’t think it was legal in MMA.

http://www.chrisleben.com/index.html>

Post: Kyorgi:

YES!, Thanks alot for that link.>

Post: bamboo:

Well I broke down and watched TUF last night and saw the leban fight. Frankly I thought he won the fight in that bobby kept bringing him down and demonstrating that all he could do was lay on top. I was sadly disappointed that dana white himself said that the judges (nevada state BOXING judges and not MMA judges) gave the fight to the man on top because people think that the guys on top are winning.

What a load. Get MMA judges for MMAs, don’t bring in a judo judge for hockey and wonder what went wrong. I might go as far as to say that chris was set up to lose by picking those judges.

-bamboo>

Post: Stg:

mma judges make the same mistakes. ninja vs rampage…>

Post: 8LimbsScientist:

The debate is kind of age old. Do you score takedowns? Do you score positional dominance if they can’t do anything with it?

If your sole criteria is damage done and attempts to finish the fight then it would be hard to make a case that Josh won the fight. But if you score the fight according to who controlled and physically dominated the other fighter, then usually the guy who gets a takedown and keeps the other guy on the ground will win.

In my personal opinion I think Takedowns should score points like jabs and crosses do, but i don’t think the mere position of being on top of someone should count for anything unless you are effectively beating on your opponent from the top. For instance, if I’m sitting in Royce Gracie’s guard, I might be on top of him but really, I’m the one who’s most in danger. And if I’m fighting someone and I just lay on top of them without trying to damage them then am I really even fighting?

Oh and Ninja vs. Rampage was a bad example because that was just plain highway robbery. Ninja won that fight in basically everyway you can possibly think of and the judges just raped him hardcore. NO lube, and NO cuddles afterward.>

Post: Kyorgi:

Quote:
the judges just raped him hardcore. NO lube, and NO cuddles afterward.

ahahahahahaha>

Post: dscott:

OK…..yet another reason why they should use MMA judges. Bobby won that fight hands down. He landed more punches, had more takedowns and overall controlled the fight. He wasn’t as aggressive as Stephan but he still controlled the fight. That’s bullshit.

And don’t get me started on how pissed I’ll be if Leban comes back. That’s just not fair giving him a second shot.>

Post: NeverMan:

Personally, I do think Stefan<sp?> won the fight. I think they were even on the ground, except that Bonner kept trying for submissions, while it looked to me like Bobby was playing defense (don’t get submitted).

As far as the striking is concerned, Bobby definitely landed more power punches, but Bonner was MUCH MORE aggressive!!

I think this fight could have gone either way, but I would have scored Bonner the winner.>

Post: dscott:

Does anyone have the video of Leban and Swick’s first fight? You know, the one that they talk about on the show?>

Post: 8LimbsScientist:

I think the fight should have gone to a third round but if I had to pick a winner I guess it’d be Steve.

He got hit harder in the striking department, but then again Steve landed some shots. When you add in the fact that Steve had more takedowns, pushed the action, went for submissions, kept coming forward, and also was able to stand back up both times Bobby was in dominant position, I give the nod to Steve.

BUT I really think that one was close enough that it should be a draw>

Post: NeverMan:

[quote=dscott OK…..yet another reason why they should use MMA judges. Bobby won that fight hands down. He landed more punches, had more takedowns and overall controlled the fight. He wasn’t as aggressive as Stephan but he still controlled the fight. That’s bullshit.

And don’t get me started on how pissed I’ll be if Leban comes back. That’s just not fair giving him a second shot.[/quote 

Yeah, I think giving anyone a second shot would be dumb, especially Leban.

For a second, I was thinking that what if you got to come back if the guy that knocks you out gets knocked out. (for example, Bobby beat Lodune, so maybe Lodune would come back). But then I thought, this will make the show last a long time.>

Post: Kyorgi:

Stephan hit Bobby with the spinning back kick, thats something ive never seen in ufc, but in tkd thats one of my favorite moves :D. I hope its Leben who comes back, but i’ll be a little angry if the reason leben comes is cuz nathan is unable to fight.>

Post: Kyorgi:

Stephan hit Bobby with the spinning back kick, thats something ive never seen in ufc, but in tkd thats one of my favorite moves :D. I hope its Leben who comes back, but i’ll be a little angry if the reason leben comes is cuz nathan is unable to fight.>

Post: kranker66:

-Bonnar v Southworth: I was thinking “it’s going to a 3rd round for sure” I would of liked it too…it was close, I liked how aggressive Stephan was. He just kept battling, and Bobby kept stepping back and looked for areas to counter…Stephan got caught with a few shots, but that didn’t seem to phase him much…I’d give the fight to Stephan.

– The only fighter I like on Team Blue is Forrest G…everyone else is all talk: “how there a team”, and “he’s my friend, I don’t want to go to Randy’s team and fight against my friend.” (Whaaaa!! :cry: )

-I’ve been surprised how personal these guys have made this competition.
Josh R. got sent to Randy’s team and doesn’t have the curtesousy to blend in with the other guys- that’s BS in my opinion!…What are they, friends first and fighters second?…
–This analogy is a stretch, but in pro sports players get sent to other teams for various reasons and they play hard and work to blend in with the other players on there new team, what’s the difference with The Ultimate Fighter?…
…These guys should remember why there there: first,to win a contract, second to make friends.>

Post: Kyorgi:

Yeah, and you can really see the difference between Alex (the one that got traded) and Josh Rafferty. Alex is fine with being traded and sees it as a good thing becuase now he will have been able to train with both Randy and Chuck. He’s using the trade to make himself a better fighter. Josh just whined about not being able to hang out with his friends.>

Post: Kyorgi:

btw kranker I feel the same way about team blue, the only guy I really like on their is Forrest.>

Post: Stg:

i think bobby owned that fight. stephan just couldn’t box on bob’s level, and he got caught quite a few times, especially with some hits that seemed to rock his head/balance a bit. on the ground bobby went for more punches, the only thing stephan did from what i saw was a guillotine that bob slipped out of. and i’m pretty sure it’s leben, why else would josh have looked so pissed :P>

Post: NeverMan:

If it’s Leban then I can’t wait to hear the explanation cuz that will be totally Bull$hit. He talked all that smacked just to get sat on by a Champion Wrestler. I am not saying Chris sucks, he is obviously good (by his record), but don’t talk so much and you won’t look like such a jacka$$ when you lose.

EDIT: Same goes for Bobby. I can’t stand that dude. He is like the little kid in Elementary School that had to joke someone else to make friends or to make himself feel better or who intimated people into being his friends. What a punk!! I am SSSOOOO happy he is gone.>

Post: kranker66:

-btw Neverman…I too think that would be BS if Leban came back-it looks like that’s what’s going to happen by the look on Jo$h’s face…
I like Leban and wanted to see him beat Josh, but he lost and should stay gone…
it will make a helluva a lot of drama if he comes back though…
…always have too remember that this is a tv show and they’re trying to get ratings; the more the drama- the higher the ratings.

-With all that has happened on this show do you think Chuck or Randy would ever do something like this again? I don’t think so.
-I’d bet they’ll have another ‘The Ultimate Fighter’ in the coming months or later this Summer with new fighters and new coaches, but I can’t see Chuck or Randy want to do this again…>

Post: kranker66:

- it seems that not too many fighters are using kicks. I kept thinking that Stephan could of set Bobby up with a solid push kick then a 1-2 combo.>

Post: NeverMan:

Yeah, kicks are being avoided for some reason so far. Like I said in a previous post, that I also think they could be using the jab more effectively. Bobby has shown the best boxing skills so far, I think. Some of the other guys need to work on that. Deigo looked really good on the ground, I would like to see him fight again. I would like to see some inner thigh/knee kicks attempted. None of the kicks thrown so far have been nearly fast enough, they have all been half thrown.

All in all, the last fight was definitely the best. There was a moment there when the ref broke them up to stand up that I thought Bobby was too tired to get back up. He has skills, just has a really bad attitude, like someone owes him something.>

Post: 8LimbsScientist:

[quote=Kyorgi Stephan hit Bobby with the spinning back kick, thats something ive never seen in ufc, but in tkd thats one of my favorite moves :D.[/quote 

Kyorgi,

Georges St. Pierre hit Matt Hughes with a spinning side kick and sent him damn near across the cage. Also, Vernon White hit Chuck Lidell with the same kick and I think Chuck made a sad face.

The spinning side kick is one of the kicks that you can definatley use, I think maybe the ones that are less useful are the axe kick, crescent kicks, and double kicks. Due to not enough power, or danger of takedowns.

To everyone else,

Lets wait to see why they’re bringing someone back on before we make judgement. If they HAVE to bring someone back to replace Quarry then it would only make sense to bring back Leben since he’s the best out of everyone who’s been kicked off Team Randy.

Also, I agree with everyone about Josh R’s attitude being ridiculous…he’s bitching about having to fight his friends…hello idiot, there’s only going to be 1 winner in his weightclass, he’s going to have to fight people from both teams if he wants to win.>

Post: dscott:

Quote:
Lets wait to see why they’re bringing someone back on before we make judgement. If they HAVE to bring someone back to replace Quarry then it would only make sense to bring back Leben since he’s the best out of everyone who’s been kicked off Team Randy.

Why would they give this kid a second chance though? He already LOST. Why not bring someone that just narrowly missed the cut to be on the show? Leban shouldn’t get 2 chances for the contract. No way.>

Post: 8LimbsScientist:

I see your point but just to play devil’s advocate, why should they bring someone on at this point of the show who hasn’t “payed his dues” by participating in the team challenges and risking having to fight?>

Post: dscott:

Personally I don’t think they should bring anyone back. I think if they get to the point where they don’t have enough to fill a weight class, they should merge the two weight classes.

Actually I think they should have a serious meeting after this year and figure out a better way of doing this. Possibly have a fighter have to lose 2 or 3 fights before he’s eliminated. I don’t know. That’s why I watch it and I’m not producing it I guess. :lol:>

Post: Stg:

[quote=dscott 
Quote:
Lets wait to see why they’re bringing someone back on before we make judgement. If they HAVE to bring someone back to replace Quarry then it would only make sense to bring back Leben since he’s the best out of everyone who’s been kicked off Team Randy.

Why would they give this kid a second chance though? He already LOST. Why not bring someone that just narrowly missed the cut to be on the show? Leban shouldn’t get 2 chances for the contract. No way.[/quote 

because dudes who missed the cut, no matter how narrow it was by, probably wouldn’t be good enough to be on the show competing. i say leben lost, but he did much better than anyone else who lost thier fights. alex got owned, lodune got knocked out and the other guys that got thrown out( jason and the other dude) didn’t look good enough to stay on the show anyway. therefore leben is the most qualified person for making a comeback. especially if it means a rematch with josh…hopefully leben would work on his ground game fiercly, and he’d beat josh in an exciting fashion. :D>

Post: Dormath:

Chuck did the same spinning kick on Vitor that Bonner did on Bobby.

Bobby should have one i thought. altho i am not sad to see him go in the slightest.>

Post: Kyorgi:

WARNING****SPOILER******* WARNING!!!!
:arrowd:
www.attikai.com/handofleban.jpg>

Post: 8LimbsScientist:

Wowzerssss!!!!!!!! Talk about a good old country ass whoopin’! I haven’t seen a one sided beatdown like that since the early days of UFC.

Diego beat Josh R. like he stole something! Diego beat Josh so bad, Josh’s mom died. I thought Diego was going to lose the fight just from the beating his fists were taking bouncing off Josh’s face!

Hey, if you guys want to review any of the fights or you miss an episode, you can find videos of all the fights at: http://www.spiketv.com/shows/series/ultimatefighter/video.jhtml>

Post: Stg:

yeah, diego was freaking furious! and i told you dudes it was leben, did you see the look on his face when he said, “i’m back!” to the camera? classic. i was just, purely stoked. and hey, josh had the chance to fight kenny and didn’t take it, it’s his fault. big props to my boy diego, the nightmare! woo!!>

Post: dscott:

I’m suprised of three things from that episode:

1. Josh actually chose Diego – Honestly, I think that he wanted to go home and figured that he’d lose to the best.

2. It lasted as long as it did – I think that Diego had more than one opportunity to submit him quicker but he wanted to prove himself to everyone. He wanted to punish Josh to scare everyone else.

3. Josh didn’t come away with more damage – Apparently he can take punches and not show damage.>

Post: Stg:

all in all i think that was the best episode yet- bobby gets yelled at by dana, sam’s team defectiveness gets taken to the next level,nate has to leave the comp but becomes an assistant coach so he still gets to stick around, leben comes back, team couture wins another challenge but loses the fight(damnit) and diego puts up one hell of a gnp that would make tito ortiz proud.>

Post: kranker66:

Quote:
1. Josh actually chose Diego – Honestly, I think that he wanted to go home and figured that he’d lose to the best.

dscott
-I totally agree with that, why not pick Kenny Florian? :shock: or even better Josh K., he can wrastle but he doesn’t hit much… After that pounding it looks like Diego is going to win 1 of the 2 contracts. Josh R. didn’t really want to be there you could tell.
-It sounds like Forrest v M. Swick for the next fight… that would be cool, but so would Forrest v. Stephan.>

Post: dscott:

Josh R. didn’t even throw a single punch. I can’t believe that the ref let it go on for as long as it did. He wasn’t making any attempts at anything besides covering up.>

Post: 8LimbsScientist:

He would be screwed with either Kenny or Diego. They are both sick on the ground and thats apparently a gaping hole in his defense. I honestly would have picked Josh K because of his lack of MMA experience.

And you can tell Josh wasn’t offering any resistance in that fight. He practically invited that RNC at the end and he tapped almost before Diego had it sunk in.>

Post: Kyorgi:

Quote:
all in all i think that was the best episode yet- bobby gets yelled at by dana, sam’s team defectiveness gets taken to the next level,nate has to leave the comp but becomes an assistant coach so he still gets to stick around, leben comes back, team couture wins another challenge but loses the fight(damnit) and diego puts up one hell of a gnp that would make tito ortiz proud.

I was 100% sure it was gonna be leben coming back,…..untill one of my buddies who gets to watch the show 3 hours earlier (satteltie…cable ughghhg) told me that alex comes back…I was so freaking pissed! Untill Chris walked into the house I got so pumped I kicked my mom right in the face!>

Post: kranker66:

Quote:
I kicked my mom right in the face!

…You did what!!?

-Well, I’m looking forward to seeing the other guys fight.
Any 2 who have not fought at all yet:
-Forrest (Blue), -Kenny F. (Blue), -Sam (Blue)
-Mike S. (Green), -Alex S. (Green)

Diego has 2 fights, Leban has 1, Stephan has 1, Josh K. has 1

It was just punk the way Sam went off with Team Green on their run and didn’t show up for practice with Team Blue-(..even if he doesn’t get along with them he should of been there.)
…was cool when they all practiced really hard on him for doing that. :twisted:>

Post: Kyorgi:

Quote:
Random Quote:

I kicked my mom right in the face!

…You did what!!?

www.realultimatepower.net (theres a thread on it down in the mcdojo section) lol

Why are they such a dick to sam anyways?>

Post: Kyorgi:

Is it possible that Josh R. knew he was gonna lose to any of them so he picked the toughest guy so he could leave the show with pride?>

Post: 8LimbsScientist:

Yes, if by pride you mean leaving with a ragged, bleeding anus.>

Post: Stg:

kind of like prison pride :P>

Post: Dormath:

what did the preview say for next week.

it got cutoff in canada to preview that damn Kung Fu movie crap>

Post: Stg:

same here, bastards :x>

Post: Kyorgi:

It happened to me too, but here is what the site says:
On the next episode of The Ultimate Fighter…
Episode 9 – Low Blow
Air date: 3/14/2005

The Light Heavyweights compete in a challenge, and controversy arises during the fighter selection. The mood turns ugly when the fighters suspect there is a thief in the house.>

Post: dscott:

There’s definite inklings that Forrest will fight.>

Post: dscott:

Remaining fighters websites:

http://www.kennyflorian.com/home.htm
http://www.mikeswick.com/
http://www.chrisleben.com/
http://www.4diego.com/>

Post: dscott:

FYI: The preview for next week’s show is up on the website. I know I couldn’t see it on Monday because of the Spike TV commercial.

http://www.theultimatefighter.tv/media.php?cat=video

There’s a thief in the house and a light heavyweight suprises everyone with the performance of a lifetime.>

Post: Stg:

maybe it’s swick :P>

Post: Dormath:

Please dont tell me its Chris.

i say Sam shoes somebody a beating.

damn mondy is two far away>

Post: Kyorgi:

it can’t be Chris…he’s a middleweight. I hope its either Sam or Mike that surprises everyone…but didn’t someone say that Forrest is fighting next week….if a heavyweight surprises everyone…wouldnt that mean that forrest is gonna lose?

..sorry if that didnt make any sense at all… :lol:>

Post: Stg:

maybe the perfomance is in training or sparring or during the challenge.>

Post: kranker66:

- …What’s Forrests’ ability: Stand-up or going to the ground?…It didn’t say anything about it on the website.

Quote:
There’s a thief in the house and a light heavyweight suprises everyone with the performance of a lifetime.

-I could see Swick pulling off a good performance, but I dunno about Sam…>

Post: kranker66:

btw…Has that ‘Contender’ show been on at all?…I don’t know if that’s materialized or not.>

Post: Kyorgi:

yeah its on every sunday at 8 on nbc, i like the show but they edit out 80% of the fights so you can’t decide who won on your own, you just have to go by who they say won.>

Post: Kyorgi:

If you watch the opening credits it shows Alex going after Forrest in the ring…if someone is to make the performace of his life time in a fight I’d bet its alex>

Post: NeverMan:

If it’s Alex, then good. He as been out of the limelight and is under appreciated. Lindell sent him over, so it would be awesome to see him get some revenge in that regard, besides I don’t think I ma liking Forrest all that much.

The Contender is pretty cool. It’s kinda just like “TUF” except boxing, but still watching free fights is fun. :)>

Post: Dormath:

[quote=Kyorgi it can’t be Chris…he’s a middleweight. I hope its either Sam or Mike that surprises everyone…but didn’t someone say that Forrest is fighting next week….if a heavyweight surprises everyone…wouldnt that mean that forrest is gonna lose?

..sorry if that didnt make any sense at all… :lol:[/quote 

I ment i hope its not chris that is stealing.

and forrest has most of his wins by Subs altho he can bang on the feet as well.

Win Edson Paredao KO (Punch) Heat FC 2-Evolution 12/18/2003

Loss Jeremy Horn KO (Kick) IFC-Global Domination 9/6/2003

Win Chael Sonnen Submission (Triangle Choke) IFC-Global Domination 9/6/2003

Win Ebenezer Fontes Braga Submission (Rear Naked Choke) Heat FC 1-Genesis 7/31/2003

Win Steve Sayegh Submission (Strikes) KOTC 20-Crossroads 12/15/2002

Win Travis Fulton TKO (Cut) CC 1-Halloween Heat 10/26/2002

Win Jeff Monson Decision WEFC 1-Bring It On 6/29/2002

Win Kent Hensley Submission (Triangle Choke) ISCF-Battle at the Brewery 4/12/2002

Win Jason Braswell Decision (Split) RSF 7-Animal Instinct 1/26/2002

Win Wiehan Lesh Submission (Rear Naked Choke) Pride and Honor-Pride and Honor 11/24/2001>

Post: dscott:

That was a pretty good fight, until it went to the ground. Alex definitely needs to work on his ground game. There doesn’t seem to be anyone who’s a good all around fighter. They’re either good stand up or good ground work.

I think I was more suprised with Forrests lack of fighting recently due to the broken arm than I was suprised by Alex’s performance. Did I hear that in that fight that Forrest had his arm broken, he still managed to make his opponent tap even after it was broken? :shock: Damn he’s sick.>

Post: NeverMan:

Yeah, rather than tapping out, he got his arm broken and then knocked the guy out with his other arm. That’s what they said.

I liked Alex’s aggresiveness in the ring, that was sweet. Too bad he lost. I also think he needed to follow up more when Forrest was running away.

Do you think Forrest will have to leave, due to his cut?>

Post: dscott:

I do think he’ll have to leave. Then they’ll bring in someone else which will probably be Bobby but I think it should be Alex S. The shake-up that they talk about will probably be that there will be no more teams. Just Light Heavyweights and Middleweights.>

Post: NeverMan:

Yeah, I think there will be no more teams, just a big free for all. Alex S. should definitely be able to come back after that showing, but if they bring someone back you are probably right, it will be Bobby S.>

Post: Dormath:

they should make the teammates fight each other.

i think this was the best show yet.

we all realize why every one hates sam.

we saw a good fight

and chuck made some nice jokes>

Post: kranker66:

-I really enjoyed that show…Alex performed well…He just came out firing!- lots of strikes with kick combos- that was great!- Probable the best combos put together so far.

-Alex would do great if it just a stand-up competition.

– I hope he comes back at some point- he’s got a good, positive attitude and gets along with everyone, and he definitly showed Forrest something- too bad about his ground skills though…

-I imagine for the Middle weights it’ll go like this:
Kenny v. Diego and Chris v. Josh …>

Post: Stg:

sam- i think i should fight, i contributed with my idea.

chuck- what idea, letting forrest do most of the work?

just classic.

god willa ford is hot.>

Post: dscott:

FYI: On page 11 I’ve updated some of the fighters websites that I’ve found online. Let me know if you have any others and I’ll add them.>

Post: Dormath:

i knew they would fight each other. sucks about the cut but what can ya do.

i think diego will fight kenny in the finals as well as Forrest/Southworth vs Swick>

Post: Kyorgi:

WHY WHY WHY!
DAMMIT SCAR TISSUE DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT!
Sorry I dont have anything more to say, but Im just pissed off.>

Post: dscott:

That was a great fight and that’s how things go sometimes. You’ve got to hand it to Kenny. He kept on coming. He didn’t look all that good but he got some great shots in. How about that lunging upppercut?>

Post: NeverMan:

I had the same impression as Randy, I was just waiting for Kenny to either get knocked out or not be able to defend himself. Chris was really giving it everything he had, BUT your right, hand it to Kenny, he stood in there with a good striker, took a beating and even landed some of his own power hits. That elbow was VERY nicely put on Chris’ face, you have to admit that. It was a clean hit and did it’s job, cut Chris up bad.

It’s unfortunate when that happens but it happens. Good fight though.

I almost can’t’ wait for the Josh-Diego fight. It will be interesting to see what happens if Stephan and Southworth have to go at it again.

I DO think that either Forrest or Southworth will beat Sam. I am not so sure that Mike is definitely going to beat Stephan Bonner, but I would lean in that direction.

I saw the links to most of the fighter’s home pages, does Stephan have a website yet?>

Post: dscott:

The thing that I noticed most about that fight was that Kenny didn’t even rely on going to the ground. There were plenty of opportunities for him to take Chris down but he didn’t. He stood toe to toe with Chris and beat him. It didn’t look pretty but I also think he wasn’t getting as overwhelmed as people think. Chris didn’t land many big shots, he just controlled the fight.>

Post: Stg:

that was a great fight, sucks that leben got cut, i’m sure he would have won if not for that. but damn you lose your first fight and your chance at the ufc, get put back in for a second chance, and lose your very next fight and your chances all over again…that really has to suck :| i hope my boy diego pulls through and punishes josh, i really do…the nightmare! woo!! also is it just me or were kenny and josh the only people who cared/were happy about bobby being in the house again? i see the finals like this: florian-sanchez, and griffin/southworth-bonner>

Post: kranker66:

-I was sure Kenny would of gone to the ground, but he stood in there Chris was a totally different fighter than his fight with Josh…I really thought Chris would win, and why does he act like such a baby when he looses?…It’s a bad cut, if it would of went the full distance I think Chris would of won. He has nothing to be ashamed of.

-And what the f*@k is Bobby doing back!?? I was thinking bring back Alex Shouenauer- that guys a brawler. And they way thing are going Forrest will be out and Bobby will be in.>

Post: Kyorgi:

Lol yeah Kranker, when forrest was like “if youve been watching this show at all, I think you know who im bringing back” and I was like YEAH ALEX!! and then Bobby walked in and I was like, what the hell?!! And what was with Koscheck “I friggn wooped lebens punk ass!” He wooped Leben? HARDLY.>

Post: kranker66:

-Right Kyorgi…I thought Forrest would of stepped up and did the honorable thing by letting the guy who beat him on the face, but not in the Octogon; Alex S. back in…
That’s too bad Alex S. needs another shot at it. I hope we’ll see him again.

-I thought that Dana White giving the guys that made it to the Semi-Finals a big Congradulations was BS!…Sam has not fought to make it; Mike S. has not fought to make it, and up until last night’s fight Kenny had not fought…

-Making it to be a final eight fighter with out having to fight!? What’s that about!??
:?>

Post: Dormath:

well if you remember Forrest thought Bobby one the fight so it makes sense he would bring him back>

Post: Kyorgi:

Kenny got on the show becuase of an impressive performance against another guy that Dana was originally going to get on the show. Kenny lost the fight but Dana asked him to go anyways. Heres the other guy http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=725 i guess it worked out for him seeing as he fought in ufc 51.>

Post: dscott:

I know that the finals with be aired on Spike TV on April 9th but how many fights will be aired? I’m reading all over the place that Nate vs. Lodune, Alex K. vs. Josh R. and Leben vs. Thacker are confirmed.>

Post: Kyorgi:

what the hell? nate is a middle weight and lodune is a light heavy, how the crap does that work?>

Post: dscott:

Supposedly Lodune is coming down to middle weight.>

Post: Stg:

[quote=dscott I know that the finals with be aired on Spike TV on April 9th but how many fights will be aired? I’m reading all over the place that Nate vs. Lodune, Alex K. vs. Josh R. and Leben vs. Thacker are confirmed.[/quote 

you’re confusing me. neither alex is still on the show, lodune was the first guy kicked off by losing a fight, josh r isn’t there, who the hell is thacker? :shock:>

Post: dscott:

These are all undercard fights of eliminated guys. Thacker was the kid that was eliminated in the first episode along with Chris Sanford because they weren’t up to par.>

Post: Stg:

ohh. so they will fight in the ufc after all eh? just for one event :P>

Post: Kyorgi:

Uh…is Leben moving up to lt heavy then….cuz thats what Thacker is, where the hell did you find these things?>

Post: dscott:

[quote=Kyorgi Uh…is Leben moving up to lt heavy then….cuz thats what Thacker is, where the hell did you find these things?[/quote 

from MMAWeekly:
“Nate Quarry vs. Lodune Sincaid will be a middleweight fight, as Sincaid moves down from light-heavyweight after his loss to Bobby Southworth during the TV series. Quarry was not able to fight during the series and had to leave the show due to an ankle injury suffered in training.

Chris Leben vs. Jason Thacker will also take place at middleweight. Thacker left the show in an “elimination ceremony” at the beginning of the series without ever having a chance to fight, but he was believed to be one of the lesser fighters on the show. Leben was actually eliminated twice. After first losing to Josh Koscheck via decision, Leben was brought back to the show when Nate Quarry had to leave the show due to injury. In his second fight, Leben dominated Kenny Florian but ultimately lost the fight via doctor’s stoppage due to a nasty cut above his eye.

Josh Rafferty vs. Alex Karalexis is a battle of middleweights who were eliminated from the TV show by losing to the dominant-looking Diego Sanchez. Karalexis was dominated on the ground by Sanchez before ultimately losing via a rear naked choke submission. Rafferty showed a large amount of heart in his fight with Sanchez by taking as much ground-and-pound punishment as he did, but the fact remains that it was an extremely one-sided fight that Sanchez won by submission.”

SOURCE: MMAWeekly.com>

Post: Kyorgi:

Hmm…its sounds questionable to me, but i’ll take your word for it.>

Post: dscott:

Anybody else think that Koscheck fought one hell of a fight? True, he didn’t really do much damage, hence the reason he lost, but he managed to escape numerous submission attempts from Diego. I really didn’t think it would be as close as it was.>

Post: 8LimbsScientist:

I think Kos looked pretty good in the fight, considering his lack of experience in MMA. He was able to get out of all the submission attempts except the guillotine at the end of the 1st or 2nd round where he was saved by the bell.

He was even doing ok with the striking landing a few punches and those leg kicks, but he still had nothing going for him on the ground. He’s got pretty massive holes in his game, but I think he could definately end up being a serious contender if he can become more well-rounded.

But I definately saw Diego winning that fight in every facet exept takedowns. I don’t know what that one judge was smoking…>

Post: dscott:

I agree. Did you also notice how Kos just left his left arm out there for the taking? The one thing that Diego didn’t have to watch for was a jab, huh? Everyone was yelling for him to stop hanging it out there too. I actually thought that Kos would have better stamina than Diego too but it seemed like he tired much quicker.>

Post: dscott:

http://www.theultimatefighter.tv/index.php

They’ve added another undercard fight now (unfortunately, non of them will be televised)

Josh Koscheck vs. Chris Sanford>

Post: kranker66:

-It was surprising to me how well Josh did; if he would only strike while on the ground he’d do much better…every time they went to the ground Josh would seem to get position then…Nothing. No strikes, elbows, arm bar’s or chokes. he’s got to improve his striking on the ground if he wants to succeed in mma.>

Post: Stg:

you know, with each episode these fights get better and better! i was literally on the edge of my seat throughout that whole fight, i even shouted orders to diego( do the triangle! do it!), that was extremely suspenseful, i was so amped when diego was declared the winner :mrgreen:>

Post: kranker66:

-The next episode should be one of the best- 2 fights happening:
(1) Swick v. Bonnar and (2) Sam v. Forrest or Bobby

-I hope it’s S. Bonnar v. Forrest in the final, but with his deep cut he’s suspect to even makin’ it that far.>

Post: dscott:

Quote:
-I hope it’s S. Bonnar v. Forrest in the final, but with his deep cut he’s suspect to even makin’ it that far.

I think you’re forgetting that if he wins this week, he has plenty of time to heal. That show was taped probably 6 months ago.>

Post: kranker66:

Yeah your right…so all the shows leading up to 4/9/05 is older footage. Good point.>

Post: Dormath:

i think Forrest will fight on the last show they said he cut was looking good so i say it will be Bonner vs Forrest in the finals.>

Post: Stg:

nobody sees sam winning shit eh? :mrgreen:>

Post: Stg:

also is the fight on ppv or spiketv?>

Post: kranker66:

-No I can’t see Sam winning. He’s a chunker….btw, How did he get selected for the show?…Out of all 50 states, you mean to tell me there isn’t another fighter who’d of wanted a shot like this? Sam doesn’t deserve to even be there, but we’ll see…God what if he won!?….

-Oh man!… It better be on Spike that would be Bull S**t if the pulled a PPV at the last moment on all of us….anyway who’d pay $40-$50 to watch these guys? If you would raise you hand and go stand in the corner. :lol:

Cheers>

Post: Stg:

you guys gotta check out all the extra scenes at the official site, most of them are uncensored>

Post: dscott:

[quote=Stg you guys gotta check out all the extra scenes at the official site, most of them are uncensored[/quote 

Was it my computer or were a couple of them hard to listen to? I could barely hear the one with Forrest talking about breaking his arm.>

Post: Stg:

nope,the sound quality was pretty bad. also last night’s episode was kick ass, sam got ktfo with those knees and GnP!!! and finally someone won a fight using a triangle! but damn bonner was bugged out using it. wtf was up wth kenny and everyone saying josh won that fight’s 1st two rounds against diego? what nonsense was that? he didn’t do shit to merit himself the winner of ANY round.>

Post: dscott:

I actually thought they ended Sam’s fight way too early. I agree that he wasn’t defending himself intelligently but I don’t think any of the shots actually got through.

If only Swick had about 5 more pounds he might have been able to hold onto that guillotine choke. Damn, Bonner was gurgling and everything. Also, how about that reversal that Swick did? How quick was that?>

Post: kranker66:

- ..I too thought Sam and Forrest’s fight was stopped way too early. Forrest was much more aggro, but he’d throw maybe a 3 strike combo then back off- Why!?…
He had Sam backing up- “Go after him!”…

-I like Forrest’s composure as he has gone through the TV show, but when he get’s in the ring he doesn’t look sure of himself as Stephan Bonnar or Alex Shoenauer.
…those two would be a great fight- but it’s too far gone for that too happen.

Swick did well against Stephan, He almost had him with that choke, and your right ‘dscott’ that reversal was so quick and decisive….then to see the fight ended in RD. 1, with 2 seconds left-2 seconds!!
Swicks corner should of told him about the time…

so it’s Bonnar v. Griffin & Florian v. Sanchez

I think Stephan will beat Forrest, and I hope that Kenny beats Diego but that’ll be tough to do…

…and the cool thing that it’s NOT going to be PPV- it’ll be on Spike TV and then the other cool fight was Ken Shamrock v. (“Oh! I forgot his name.”)…Anyway 3 fights on April 9.
Oh yeah! “Let’s get it on!”>

Post: Stg:

actually they did tell swick there was only a few seconds left, he just couldn’t avoid the triangle. also i think am’s fight ended at just the right time, i didn’t see him doing anything ther than get pounded anyways. dudes you gotta go to the site, they added alot more outtakes, like alex s and swick pretending to be the behind the scenes crew, and swick has this headset on and kenny goes, you look like princess leia! funny as shit. and then diego, of all people starts hitting on the hot ass ring girls. i like when bobby makes fun of the bonner/diego asparagus incident.

bobby- diego goes, are you my dad? and bonner is all like, i dunno…i just might be!

and he starts cracking up.>

Post: dscott:

The two final undercard fights have been announced:

Sam Hoger vs. Bobby Southworth
Mike Swick vs. Alex S.>

Post: kranker66:

-A total of 5 fights on April 9th…the TV audience probably won’t get to see the two undercard fights…
I hope I’m wrong. They’ll show the 2 UFC contract fights: Griffin v. Bonnar & Florian v. Sanchez and then the Shamrock fight.

-I’m glad to see Alex Shoenauer is getting another shot. I thought he was really good on his stand-up.
Mike S. v. Alex S. -a classic match-up, striker vs grappler. That should be exciting.

-…And Hogar v. Southworth-who cares!
I don’t like either of them. Just pummel eachother.>

Post: dscott:

[quote=kranker66 -A total of 5 fights on April 9th…the TV audience probably won’t get to see the two undercard fights…
I hope I’m wrong. They’ll show the 2 UFC contract fights: Griffin v. Bonnar & Florian v. Sanchez and then the Shamrock fight.

-I’m glad to see Alex Shoenauer is getting another shot. I thought he was really good on his stand-up.
Mike S. v. Alex S. -a classic match-up, striker vs grappler. That should be exciting.

-…And Hogar v. Southworth-who cares!
I don’t like either of them. Just pummel eachother.[/quote 

Unfortunately that’s correct.>

Post: Stg:

my predictions- diego by jd, griffin by GnP, shamrock by something :P>

Post: Dormath:

Forrest by Gnp
Kenny by Sub
Franklin by TKO
Swick by Sub
Bobby by KO
Leben by KO>

Post: dscott:

Cool Kenny Florian interview
http://www.sherdog.com/news/interviews.asp?n_id=2625

Cool Diego Sanchez article
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=2626>

Post: kranker66:

Stephan over Forrest by tko
Kenny over Diego by sub
Franklin over Shamrock by tko

A ufc marathon is going all day today until the match-ups tonight…>

Post: Stg:

well, looks like kenny got bitched slapped :mrgreen: i guess he wasn’t as good on the ground. bonner vs forrest, holy moley…i wish every ufc fight was like that!>

Post: dscott:

Results from the Undercard Fights:

Leben defeats Thacker – punches
Koscheck defeats Sanford – KO
Quarry defeats Sincaid – KO
Karalexis defeats Rafferty – KO
Hoger defeats Southworth – Decision
Swick defeats Alex S. – KO

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=2646>

Post: dscott:

After watching the Bonner vs. Griffin fight, I am sooooo glad I started watching The Ultimate Fighter. I can’t believe the heart that each one of them showed. I was watching it with my wife and she almost cried when Dana said they were giving Bonnar a contract as well.

I haven’t seen too many MMA matches (only clips) but was that actually the best UFC fight ever, according to the commentators? I’m sure it was up there.>

Post: kranker66:

-“Oh-my-friggin’ god!!”…Did that actually happen!?…What an amazing fight, I still can’t beleive it.

Toe-to-toe all 3 rounds, that was the greatest ufc battle ever. I’m so glad I tuned into the TV show.

…And the thing is, I liked both of those guys, Forrest was cool, as is Stephan, and the way they respected eachother at the end was just fantastic.

-Dana and the UFC has got to thank those two for helping them with such great exposure.
The ufc did the right thing in awarding 2 contracts- after 15 mins. of battling being bloddied and brusied both men were still standing…And now that it’s over, when is season 2 starting up?

-Season 2 is going to be Heavy-weights and Welter-weights…I’m not sure the actuall weights for each of those, does anybody know?

– Chuck give Forrest his trophy and seeing his amazement at what he just witnessed was priceless…>

Post: Kyorgi:

Heavyweight- 205 lbs- 265 lbs
Welterweight- 155 lbs- 170 lbs

Who do you guys think would be good coaches for this?

I’d like to see Matt Hughes as a coach but most likely the coaches are gonna be heavyweights. I’d like to see Frank Mir as a coach if they are gonna be heavyweights.>

Post: Stg:

big revelation- has anyone else noticed that forrest trains at a sbgi place? and he’s an instructor there too- i guess the straight blast gym finally put a famous fighter on the map huh? :mrgreen:>

Post: kranker66:

-…Are you sure on those heavy weight numbers ‘Kyorgi’?…I dunno.
You say that a heavy weight is between 205~265- that’s a 60 lb. spread!… That’s quite a huge range for one weight class.
…but I myself don’t know, so if it is- then it is.

Cheers>

Post: Kyorgi:

I’m sure.>

Post: kranker66:

“All-righty then.”>

Post: 8LimbsScientist:

I can’t think of any heavyweights who I think seem mature enough to coach a team. I’m sure they are very mature but in my mind I just can’t picture it.

Chuck and Randy both have a kind of authority I don’t think you can replicate with Mir, Arlovski, Sylvia, etc.

I could definately see Matt Hughes as a coach though.>

Post: Kyorgi:

It would never happen but what if Forrest and Stephan were the coaches?>

Post: dscott:

Josh wasn’t this big during the show, was he? His arms are so much bigger.

>

Post: Kyorgi:

Weird…Espcially since he dropped to welter weight for the fight…but he did mention that he was stronger than diego before they fought.>

Post: Stg:

yeah…sure as hell didn’t show his bigger strength difference though…he chose to instead get owned. :P

also i see mir being a pretty good coach, he seems to know what he’s doing, and whenever he commentates he always says what fighters should do for better technique. he was saying once how some dude should have pulled up with his hips and pull the opponents head down when someone had a triangle at ufc 51.>

Post: kranker66:

-…so that’s it the show’s over…

– Have there been any hints as to when season 2 will start up? I imagine not…I sure hope I don’t have to wait til January 2006 though.

-Anybody know of any Welter-weights or Heavy weights that might be trying to get on the show for season 2?
see ya :)>

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