Traditional training vs Fight specific training

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Traditional training vs Fight specific training
Original Poster: opariser1001
Forum: Mixed Martial Arts Forums
Posted On: 05-06-2005, 18:14

Orginal Post: opariser1001: What do you guys think are the benefits of traditional training in relation to fight training for mixed martial arts. By traditional training, I mean punching the makiwara, kicking a sandbag (not a heavy bag, but a low hanging bag filled with sand to make the shins stronger), finger pushups to make grip stronger, spearhand into a bucket of sand or beans to make the fingers stronger. I think that if one were to perform these exercises religiously everyday, that they could have a beneficial effect over time on punching power and grip, for grabbing and clinching etc., but I think that these things take too much time as opposed to padwork, focus mitts, heavy bag work, and sparring, which translate exactly to fighting, and can improve your fighting skills much faster. What do you guys think about this? Would you sacrifice time each day to train these things, though the benefits that they offer take longer than modern fight training?

Post: Tease T Tickle:

I don’t see a real difference. You punch a bag or mitt in one and a bucket or sack of sand with the other. The result is you still condition your body to respond a certain way and to cope with the slight damage caused.

Striking the makiwara may be used more for toughening the hands than anything else, but it isn’t necessarily different from striking a heavy bag.

The only variation is in the use of focus mitts which do more than develop physical attributes and technical proficiency but also to develop a sense of timing in combinations. Of course, that same talent is developed in sparring, so it may simply be superfluous.>

Post: setsu nin to:

In my opinion you have to know what you whant and what you need. For example if you are in TKD (WTF) there is no need to practice makiwara, same as of you are in boxing there is no much point of kicking sandbag. If you are in MMA or if you practice MA for street or just selfdefense than you have to know what you need, what are your bad points and you have to work on them.
Also you have to be cereful becouse kicking sandbag or makiwara are not for anyone becouse someone who dont have strong enought hands or legs he may hurt himself. So its realy important the heshe knows his/here limits.

I know guys who whanted more and more realistic tranings. There were six of them, they practiced every day, they work on sand dags, thai heavy bags filled with corn, everyday sparing… In sparings they used just glowes, mouth and groin protector. Every weekend they had fights in one of few clubs, they always insist on minimum of rules and protection equipment. They were great fighters for almoust four years so people would fight under their rules (they werent allowed to strike eyes and neck). Now one passed away becouse of heart and other five are criples.>

Post: 8LimbsScientist:

Well, I think if you plan on fighting anytime soon I’d use the more sport specific methods.

Makiwara vs. HeavyBag – Makiwara is meant to be used steadily/methodically over a period of time and you aren’t supposed to cock back and swing with all your might at this piece of wood. I think doing rounds on the heavy bag is a cardiovascular workout, conditions the shins, and improves striking power.

Focus mitts teach you to throw your techniques with speed and strength at a moving target while you too are moving, which is great.

Sparring is great for obvious reasons.

On the other hand, traditional training has its own rewards that I think people are missing when they go solely sport specific in training. Many of the most unorthodox and exciting fighters use techniques they picked up from their traditional training way back before they picked up MMA, such as GSP, Vernon White, Shonie Carter, Lidell, etc.>

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