How to survive Muay Thai Knees

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How to survive Muay Thai Knees
Original Poster: The BadBoy
Forum: Muay Thai Boxing – Thai Martial Arts
Posted On: 31-01-2007, 18:34

Orginal Post: The BadBoy: Check it out.

http://www.geocities.com/global_training_report/Khao_Ti.htm

Post: 8LimbsScientist:

Nice article!

Yeah, knees are excellent weapons. And they I am able to land them pretty much at will when sparring. Unfortunately, you can’t really practice knees with any kind of force in sparring…you have to go pretty light with them.

Anyway, we haven’t really concentrated too much on knee defense in class, so we are suffering from the same problem as the brazilian guy in the story.

Here’s what I do:

1. If I’m in the clinch with someone, I try to press my body as tight against them as possible so I can eliminate the chance for any knee except the “rabbit” ones mentioned in the story. Of course, this only works in the sport. In reality or in MMA pressing up against someone makes it easy to throw you to the ground. I think this is why San Shou has done so well historically against MT. The Thai boxer tries to press up to negate knees, and the San Shou guy loves it cuz now he can throw easier.

2. Sometimes if they grab me and immediately throw a straight knee, I just knee-spike the thigh. Edit: I didn’t mean knee-spike…where did that come from? I meant, I elbow spike the thigh.

3. In Rodney King’s DVD he recommends leaving one arm snaked around your opponents head and having it pressed tight against the side of your head, and then with the other hand you push your opponents hip out as far as your arm reaches. Now he can’t reach you with his knees. I don’t want to take credit for this one, since it came out of Rodney’s Street Boxing DVDs.>

Post: DARKTIM:

i always try to get back just out of reach like i said in the clinch thread.

but to actively stop them i tend to use my own knees to knee there legs out or move my arm down to block the knee even before it starts to get anywere near hip height. with the forearm. soon as the blokes been made push them off or shoot in with my own knees.

DT 8)>

Post: Ninja Kl0wn:

[quote=8LimbsScientist 2. Sometimes if they grab me and immediately throw a straight knee, I just knee-spike the thigh. Edit: I didn’t mean knee-spike…where did that come from? I meant, I elbow spike the thigh.[/quote 

Any time someone does that to me in training I consider it immediate grounds to jerk your head around a few times and put a knee in your temple. If you’re in the ring that’s one thing, but for everyday sparring it should be a no-no. Just like unpadded elbows.>

Post: 8LimbsScientist:

LOL

Well, in sparring we don’t really slam the knees in anyway, ditto with the elbows. So really it shouldn’t/hasn’t caused any undue pain during sparring except for the kind of slight pains that comes along with free sparring. It hurts less than a roundkick with shinpads.

Do you spar full force with the knees? We always go super easy on them, and we don’t spar elbows at all. I feel like, the punches are padded, as are your shins, and push kicks aren’t usually a problem, but with knees you really can blast the air out of your training partner pretty easily if you aren’t careful.>

Post: Ninja Kl0wn:

I throw knees at medium power, the same as all my other strikes in daily sparring.>

Post: setsu nin to:

Muay Thai knee weapon is realy nice thing and I personaly like it, but just as every other body weapon there is way how to defende from it. Also if you have to use it you have to get close and you break your bilance, so it is real dengerous to use it against someone who is in Judo or Jujutsu for example.>

Post: Ninja Kl0wn:

[quote=setsu nin to Also if you have to use it you have to get close and you break your bilance, so it is real dengerous to use it against someone who is in Judo or Jujutsu for example.[/quote 

If you lose your balance, you’re doing it wrong.>

Post: NeverMan:

What is stopping you from grabbing the person’s family jewels? Or hitting the person’s family jewels?

This is why I do if someone attempts a clinch on me.>

Post: Ninja Kl0wn:

[quote=NeverMan What is stopping you from grabbing the person’s family jewels? Or hitting the person’s family jewels?

This is why I do if someone attempts a clinch on me.[/quote 

A) This is the Thai martial arts forum, in a thread specifically about muay Thai. Grabbing the jewels is not allowed in Thai boxing.

B) Most people are too busy defending against the flurry of knees and elbows to think “k, Ima grab his nuts”.>

Post: Wilhelm von Wänkensteïn:

Inspiring article :D But – wow! A top-flight kickboxer got knocked out by a one-trick pony, just like that?>

Post: NeverMan:

[quote=Ninja Kl0wn [quote=NeverMan What is stopping you from grabbing the person’s family jewels? Or hitting the person’s family jewels?

This is why I do if someone attempts a clinch on me.[/quote 

A) This is the Thai martial arts forum, in a thread specifically about muay Thai. Grabbing the jewels is not allowed in Thai boxing.

B) Most people are too busy defending against the flurry of knees and elbows to think “k, Ima grab his nuts”.[/quote 

I want to formally apologize to everyone in this forum, as I am fairly drunk this evening and am at home. I am deeply sorry. I hope you accept my apology.>

Post: Ninja Kl0wn:

[quote=Hammerhead Inspiring article :D But – wow! A top-flight kickboxer got knocked out by a one-trick pony, just like that?[/quote 

Hey, Jean-Jaques Machado got tapped by a teenager who got him with one trick. It happens.>

Post: setsu nin to:

If you lose your balance, you’re doing it wrong.

Yes, you are right, Muay Thai fighter wont lost bilance doing knee kick by himself, but my point was that he will have to come to close renge and doing knee kick he will stay on one leg. Thats more than ehought to someone who is in Judo or Jujutsu to break his bilance so there is big chance that his bilance will be broken by opponent from Judo or Jujutsu.
Ofcourse if Muay Thai fighter “put” his knee on right place his opponent will go to sleep for some time, but I am talking about situation when opponent defende himself from knee kick.
There is no knee attacks in Judo, so it could be problem to defende from knee kick to someone who train Judo just becouse of sport, but to someone who train Judo for selfdefense or Jujutsu it shouldnt be problem.
In my opinion with Muay Thai you may win Judoka just is you dont come to close range. You have to keep distance.>

Post: DARKTIM:

killer klown is rigt never through the knees full on in training. you would’nt last a week. but in the ring and in a fight. well does a bear shit in the woods?>

Post: The BadBoy:

[quote=NeverMan What is stopping you from grabbing the person’s family jewels? Or hitting the person’s family jewels?

This is why I do if someone attempts a clinch on me.[/quote 

Other than what the wise klown has stated if someone is kneeing the shit outta you the punching him in the balls or grabbing his balls aint necessarily gonna stop him pounding your head in wth those knees. thats why peopel learn to block and get superior position.>

Post: Fenix:

Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t you supposed to have your foot in a straight line with your shin when you go for the knee, to give it a sharper point? The guy in the pictures of the article isn’t, and I’m curious as to how you guys do them.>

Post: dingodog1:

My friend fought in Virginia for the middleweight amateur Muay Thai title and got kneed to death by the champion. He is a stud but got stopped due to the knees and punching combos that guy landed. Don’t matter who you are … if you take many of those you’re goin out.>

Post: Muay_Thai_MGM:

Fenix,

Where I train, they recently taught us to alter the way we throw our knees after some of our guys got back from training in Thailand. Instead of throwing in a straight line, try to throw it so you can see your foot out of the corner of your eye. It’s thrown more like a kick in that it’s coming more from the side rather than straight down the middle. It works great, you get a lot more on it.

Sorry, it’s kind of hard to explain how to throw it without a visual!>

Post: kranker66:

-I’ve had someone throw knees at me, and Since I’m in the clinch and my head is down and knees are aimed towards the mid-section; I do have my arms free so I make the attempt to block the thigh when the knee comes up- it does have some effect.>

Post: Muay_Thai_MGM:

I had an experience with knees today in sparring…my training partner and I were in the clinch and I was hitting w/ medium power side knees. He put his hand between my legs to try to deflect the knees, and threw some of his own. I tried the same block/deflect and he threw a nice uppercut that took it out of me! Good learning experience!>

Post: Mta:

Fitness is the best for avoid knee attack!!>

Post: kranker66:

-What exactly do you mean ‘fitness is the best to avoid knees’? :?
Fit people can get tagged w/knee strikes.

Ever see James Irvin throw a flying knee? There’s a vid clip out there somewhere and James Irvin fakes a punch and launches a flying knee to the head- “lights out!- game over!- Thanks for playing.”..
It was executed perfectly…his opponont was fit and in descent shape.>

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