WING CHUN – vietnamese line
Original Poster: Eugene
Forum: Recommended Schools
Posted On: 09-04-2004, 21:20
Orginal Post: Eugene: The difference between Wing Chun Kung Fu schools of China and Vietnam: in 1877 in Kuan Don (China) there was born a man named Yuen Chai Wan (Nguyen Te Cong), who was to become the progenitor of Vietnamese Wing Chun Kung Fu. This young man started on his way by becoming an apprentice of Leong Tan, along with the teacher’s sons Leong Suan and Leong Bik. Through many years of hard training Nguyen Te Cong reached the highest levels in martial arts, but despite that, he didn’t stop training for a single day. After saying goodby to his teacher, Nguyen moved to work in the southern part of China, where he soon found his first apprentices. Among them was Ip Man, who was training with masters Chan Hoa Tuan and Leong Bik. In 1939 Te Cong left his motherland and moved to Vietnam. There he accepted new apprentices, who were native Vietnamese. In 1939, when Patriarch Nguyen Te Cong was about to move to Vietnam, he received the secret knowledge of kung fu from his teacher. When he arrived in Vietnam and setted down there, he noticed some specific features of the Vietnamese people and Vietnamese martial arts–that’s how he managed to combine some techniques of Khi Kong (Qi-qong, Chi-Kung) of Vietnam and adapt them to the new conditions of kung fu. He also conducted his own research in these areas. That’s how the Vietnamese school of Wing Chun Kung Fu originated, with some differences from the classical Chinese school, preserving nevertheless all its main components. Later the second Patriarch Ho Hai Long added some elements of Khi Kong and Kung Fu. The third Patriarch Huyng Ngoc An also introduced some new features. Each of the patriarchs was taught other arts beyond kung fu, such as body massage and knowledge of medical herbs. They also had to train as medical doctors, getting knowledge of how the human body functions. The art of physiognomy (how to determine man’s character and abilities by his face) was also included in the study. All of the secret techniques of Wing Chun Kung Fu are based on the deep understanding of the sensitive functioning of the human body. Lineage: five monks Ti Tin Tin Si, Miu Xin Lao Si, But Mi Lao Si, Fun Dao Dik Lao Si and the female monk Ngu Mai Lao Ni>Niem Wing Chun>Lien Bak Chu>Liong Lan Kue>Houng Hao Bao>Liong Ni Ti (apprentice of the teacher Ti Tin Tin Si)>Leong Jan (The King of Wing Chun)>Nguyen Te Cong (Yuen Chai Wan)>Nguyen Zui Hai (Ho Hai Long “Flying Sea Dragon”)>Huyngh Ngoc An (Ho Phi Ho “Flying Tiger”)>Igor Astashev.
Hi, i also practice Vietnamese Wing-Chun.
I was wondering what forms do you guys practice ?.
Our Sifu returned from Vietnam only two weeks ago.>
One wonders if this style might be similar to Pan Nam and Yuen Kay Shan Wing Chun, since these are two styles (relatively) free of Yip Man’s influence.>
The style is much more traditional in Vietnam but there are still many sub-styles that differ from teacher to teacher. I will soon have pictures and maybe even videos from Vietnam i could post them here if people would be interested.>
blade, thatd be sweet. could you? man im viet and ive never seen viet wing chun in action. also id like to be able to visually see differences.>
I’d Post them as soon as i get a hold of them, im excited to watch the videos and see the photos myself, very thrilling to see the level and way of training in Vietnam>
[quote=Hammerhead One wonders if this style might be similar to Pan Nam and Yuen Kay Shan Wing Chun, since these are two styles (relatively) free of Yip Man’s influence.[/quote
Well, given that Yuen Chai Wan was the brother of Yuen Kay-San (they both trained together) one would think the two systems might bear some resemblance. However, from what I’ve seen of Vietnamese WC there appears to be little to no similarities. I assume that many of Yuen Chai Wans students changed various aspects of their Wing Chun and, similar to Ip Man, stripped away a lot of stuff they felt was superfluous.
Also, Pan Nam WC appears to be quite different from YKS WC. Its amazing how much variety there is within Wing Chun and the various interpretations of all the principles, techniques and methods.>