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Des techniques Judo en combat libre. Blocage, projection couplés à du Jiu Jitsu. Le Judo bien appliqué peut etre très agressif surtout lorque terminé par techniques de clefs de bras orienté Jiu Jitsu !
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Judo in MMA?

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Judo in MMA?
Original Poster: dscott
Forum: Japanese Martial Arts
Posted On: 12-07-2006, 13:03

Orginal Post: dscott: Maybe I’m missing something but it doesn’t seem like a lot of MMA fighters practice Judo. I was just watching the Judo highlight on the Fightauthority main page. I just can’t help but imagine that it would be a much better grappling art to practice than BJJ because of the takedowns. Granted, I don’t practice either one so this is merely an observation but it seems like the submissions are just as effective as BJJ plus the takedowns are better.

Maybe MMA doesn’t have than many Judo practitioners because most MMA events don’t allow gi’s? Are most of the Judo techniques most effective if a gi is used?

Like I said before, I’m not bashing BJJ…..just merely questioning. :D

Post: bamboo:

Dscott,

Try to pick up a Pride dvd or two, theres ALOT of judo practiced by the guys that fight for that organization.

-bamboo>

Post: samurai6string:

Bamboo’s on it, alot of Pride fighters study Judo. I think you might be on to something though about not seeing that many Judoka in UFC because of not allowing the gi, that and the fact that over here BJJ has somehow trumped all of the other grappling arts in terms of interest.>

Post: dscott:

The only Pride fights that I’ve seen have been on the internet or on FSN (but they rarely play them). I’ve only noticed a few “strictly” judo practioners in MMA (atleast well known fighters) and those are Yoshida and Parysian. I mean “strictly” because that is their base art that they’ve developed their game around. Like Hughes is “strictly” wrestling but he uses other arts.

If you can think of other fighters, please let me know as I’d like to watch some of their fights.>

Post: BLACK PANTA:

[quote=dscott Maybe I’m missing something but it doesn’t seem like a lot of MMA fighters practice Judo. I was just watching the Judo highlight on the Fightauthority main page. I just can’t help but imagine that it would be a much better grappling art to practice than BJJ because of the takedowns. Granted, I don’t practice either one so this is merely an observation but it seems like the submissions are just as effective as BJJ plus the takedowns are better.

Maybe MMA doesn’t have than many Judo practitioners because most MMA events don’t allow gi’s? Are most of the Judo techniques most effective if a gi is used?

Like I said before, I’m not bashing BJJ…..just merely questioning. :D[/quote 
Bjj is basically Judo, just different packaging like Coke and Pepsi, both cola but different names. BJJ/Kosen just focused more on newaza/ground techniques.>

Post: bamboo:

I think BJJ merits its own art now since it has developed far beyond the KOSEN judo practice of years ago.

My 2 pence

-bamboo>

Post: roscoe:

In response to dscott’s question, if you look at the yoshida dojo they are all top level judo players, like hector lombard or kazuhiro nakamura. Not all of them wear gi’s, although i can’t understand the purpose for wearing a gi other than more advertising space. Any thoughts?

Cheers.>

Post: samurai6string:

roscoe> the gi gives better traction against a sweaty opponenet, it also provides for submission holds, though more can be applied to someone in a gi rather than using the gi to acquire one, a sleeve choke, or when you grab your own belt to effect a four-corner-hold (Tate shiho gatame). Alot of Judo techniques require that both opponents be wearing gis, or else the are difficult, if not impossible, to perform.>

Post: roscoe:

Surely then you are putting yourself at a considerable disadvantage? I can see the benefits in the added traction but would assume that this benefit is outweighed by the techniques that can be used against an opponent in a gi. I suppose it depends on the fighter and his individual prefernces.

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

Cheers.>

Post: Wilhelm von Wänkensteïn:

Good examples of judo-trained NHB fighters would be Fedor Emelianenko and anyone else from the Red Devils – their base grappling art is judo + sambo (both arts are always trained together in Russia), and they generally take boxing as their base striking style.>

Post: samurai6string:

Roscoe>another thought, for some fighters wearing a gi could be a nod to tradition, also it could just be a matter of comfort, i.e. not changing from the way you train. If you wear a gi in practice, wear it during the match. just another thought.>

Post: BLACK PANTA:

The gi is not necessarily a dis-advantage. As 6string said, it allows traction, so a sweaty opponent can’t just slip out. All of your submissions are still there, and you have a few more than no gi. Alot of the times fighters don’t wear the gi, because of exhaustion. It gets VERY hot in the gi.>

Post: roscoe:

Thanks for taking the time to respond to my questions. Its much appreciated.

Cheers>

Post: Gazelle:

[quote=BLACK PANTA It gets VERY hot in the gi.[/quote 

Oh, yes, and i’ve been wearing a thin one…certainly raises the temperature by a few degrees.>

Post: BLACK PANTA:

[quote=Gazelle [quote=BLACK PANTA It gets VERY hot in the gi.[/quote 

Oh, yes, and i’ve been wearing a thin one…certainly raises the temperature by a few degrees.[/quote 

try wearing the gi in the winter, the heat is on high, no windows cracked and the gym is filled with body heat aswell.>

Post: Gazelle:

[quote=BLACK PANTA [quote=Gazelle [quote=BLACK PANTA It gets VERY hot in the gi.[/quote 

Oh, yes, and i’ve been wearing a thin one…certainly raises the temperature by a few degrees.[/quote 

try wearing the gi in the winter, the heat is on high, no windows cracked and the gym is filled with body heat aswell.[/quote 

Ladies and Gentleman, we have the martial version of a sauna…multiplied by about 10!>

Post: samurai6string:

You shoulda seen our wrestling practices back in high school. The season is in winter, everyone is wearing garbage bags plus 3 or 4 layers of sweats, and the heat is on. The locker rooms had no heat in them at all, so the temp was about 40-50 Fahrenheit. When you would go to change, there would be steam coming up off of your skin and rolling out of your clothes. :lol:>

Post: Gazelle:

lol>

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